Hopefully this isn't a spoiler to anyone on here...

Something I've never understood, is why does Obi-Wan vanish when he's killed by Vader? I don't recall anyone else ever just disappearing vs being sliced/diced etc.

He became one with the force, like Qui-Gon Jinn and later Yoda and Vader.

So he wasn't hit by the lightsaber? That makes more sense now.

So he wasn't hit by the lightsaber? That makes more sense now.

Yes, he was. It was at the moment of his death when he became one with the Force.

So wait, does every jedi that dies vanish like that?

So wait, does every jedi that dies vanish like that?

Nope quigon was burnt on a bonfire, obi wan made his peace with death so did yoda and so became one with the force fully but when killed unexpectedly the body remains.

At the end of Revenge of the Sith, Yoda tells Obi-Wan that Qui-Gonn has more training for him. After he died, Qui-Gonn learned how to become one with the Force, and passed that on to Obi-Wan and Yoda.

Quoting myself from reddit when this discussion comes up:

It's also a reference to the differences between Jedi and Sith.

Most Siths pursued immortality. Particularly Sidious (see most of his scenes in III talking to Anakin) and Vader (His cyborg tendencies and his desire to be able to keep Padme from dying).

Whilst the Siths are able to extend their lives through the dark side of the force; a form of immortality, the Jedi are able to achieve true immortality through becoming force ghosts.

"I am the master now"

"Only a master of evil Darth. If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can ever imagine"

Obi-Wan was also somewhat prophetic in his statement. By killing him and helping him to become a force ghost, he became an untouchable force that could and did help the Rebellion defeat the Empire.

Anakin/Vader becoming a force ghost also raises a lot of questions about the need to 'train' in the ways of becoming a force ghost, as touched upon in the PT. He never trained to become a force ghost and yet did. I like to think that instead a Jedi most go through some sort of benevolent self sacrificing event:

• Qui Gon Jinn, died fighting Maul, allowing Obi-Wan to live
• Obi-Wan, died fighting Vader, allowing Luke and friends to live and escape
• Yoda, died after succeeding in training Luke and after a long life devoted to the force
• Vader, died after his redemptive actions at the end of ROTJ.

Quoting myself from reddit when this discussion comes up:

It's also a reference to the differences between Jedi and Sith.

Most Siths pursued immortality. Particularly Sidious (see most of his scenes in III talking to Anakin) and Vader (His cyborg tendencies and his desire to be able to keep Padme from dying).

Whilst the Siths are able to extend their lives through the dark side of the force; a form of immortality, the Jedi are able to achieve true immortality through becoming force ghosts.

"I am the master now"

"Only a master of evil Darth. If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can ever imagine"

Obi-Wan was also somewhat prophetic in his statement. By killing him and helping him to become a force ghost, he became an untouchable force that could and did help the Rebellion defeat the Empire.

Anakin/Vader becoming a force ghost also raises a lot of questions about the need to 'train' in the ways of becoming a force ghost, as touched upon in the PT. He never trained to become a force ghost and yet did. I like to think that instead a Jedi most go through some sort of benevolent self sacrificing event:

• Qui Gon Jinn, died fighting Maul, allowing Obi-Wan to live
• Obi-Wan, died fighting Vader, allowing Luke and friends to live and escape
• Yoda, died after succeeding in training Luke and after a long life devoted to the force
• Vader, died after his redemptive actions at the end of ROTJ.

The final arc of the Clone Wars cartoon is pretty directly about this. Yoda goes on a journey to gain a deeper understanding of the Force, culminating with him on Dagobah at the dark side cave we later see Luke at.

The irony- and it frustrates me to no end- is that this form of learning was first explored by Qui Gon. Because Qui Gon was exploring "the living Force", Yoda considered him too dangerous to be on the council. There's actually a line about it in Episode 1.

That's one of the pieces of evidence I use in my "Yoda was terrible" crusade. Yoda was the dude who stood athwart research into immortality and yelled "stop!"

There is an entire subtread for off topic stuff... not that people care too much about posting where it should be, but this one has OT in the title...

OT I was under the impression meant Original Trilogy on this board?

OT I was under the impression meant Original Trilogy on this board?

It still fit the Off Topic forum, since it isn't about X-wing. Not that I really care.

BTW, I like the quote in you signature. It's actually from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Season 6- episodes 11-13 answers this. If you haven't watched the show, I highly recommend it. Sure, the series started out kid friendly- plenty of childish moments, but by the end, the show got deep, and went to some dark places (namely the resurrection of Darth Maul). The series, in its entirety, can be watched on Netflix. So long as you can suffer through the episodes where Yoda teaches younglings about teamwork and friendship, you will be rewarded with some solid Star Wars in the latter seasons.

Quoting myself from reddit when this discussion comes up:

It's also a reference to the differences between Jedi and Sith.Most Siths pursued immortality. Particularly Sidious (see most of his scenes in III talking to Anakin) and Vader (His cyborg tendencies and his desire to be able to keep Padme from dying).Whilst the Siths are able to extend their lives through the dark side of the force; a form of immortality, the Jedi are able to achieve true immortality through becoming force ghosts. "I am the master now""Only a master of evil Darth. If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can ever imagine" Obi-Wan was also somewhat prophetic in his statement. By killing him and helping him to become a force ghost, he became an untouchable force that could and did help the Rebellion defeat the Empire. Anakin/Vader becoming a force ghost also raises a lot of questions about the need to 'train' in the ways of becoming a force ghost, as touched upon in the PT. He never trained to become a force ghost and yet did. I like to think that instead a Jedi most go through some sort of benevolent self sacrificing event:

• Qui Gon Jinn, died fighting Maul, allowing Obi-Wan to live
• Obi-Wan, died fighting Vader, allowing Luke and friends to live and escape
• Yoda, died after succeeding in training Luke and after a long life devoted to the force
• Vader, died after his redemptive actions at the end of ROTJ.

The final arc of the Clone Wars cartoon is pretty directly about this. Yoda goes on a journey to gain a deeper understanding of the Force, culminating with him on Dagobah at the dark side cave we later see Luke at.The irony- and it frustrates me to no end- is that this form of learning was first explored by Qui Gon. Because Qui Gon was exploring "the living Force", Yoda considered him too dangerous to be on the council. There's actually a line about it in Episode 1.That's one of the pieces of evidence I use in my "Yoda was terrible" crusade. Yoda was the dude who stood athwart research into immortality and yelled "stop!"

And I think that's the root of it. How often do we hear the Jedi worry about the Dark Side and temptations therein? They have to be very apprehensive about exploring more potential in the force because it is a very slippery slope.

Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Season 6- episodes 11-13 answers this.

I've seen a bunch of Q&A with David Filoni (director of Clone Wars, and now Rebels) about various sub-plots in Clone Wars, and there was a segment specifically about this.

Warning: since this is a fan plot/lore/mythology type discussion, there's obviously a bunch of spoiler-y type material, so view or avoid at your discretion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKWDZaxUoMg&feature=player_detailpage

- H8