thanks for the breakdown/figures Maverick. looks like this question can be put to bed.
ISD base size
I wouldn't want it much bigger in any case. It would limit your ability to maneuver on the table.
True. However, if you are playing with a 300pt fleet and the play area is 4x3, think about if you are playing 3x6. Thoughts?
Which compaired on a sheet of A4 paper would look about this size (250mm x 140mm)
Not as impressive as I thought of at the first time - but hell, impressive enough.
Those guys will be the eyecatchers on any table.
You don't think at 10'-long model is impressive?! Are you sure you're conceptualizing the size of the sheet of paper instead of whatever size it is on your screen?
True. However, if you are playing with a 300pt fleet and the play area is 4x3, think about if you are playing 3x6. Thoughts?I wouldn't want it much bigger in any case. It would limit your ability to maneuver on the table.
For 300 point play the play area is 3x6 officially. Only the setup area is 3x4. This has created a ton of confusion.
So, how large or how small is the ISD model then?
16 cm? 18? 20?
So have done some more analysis for you,
Based on this photo:
The blue line on the base represents the length of the Large base which we know to be 129mm.
The blue line on the ISD is a parallel line that I started on the base and then moved up onto the ISD and extended to the approximate length of the model (again, looks odd because its parallel to the base rather than to what look to be the end, but that would actually be distorted by the angle and give a longer measurement). I then made a copy of that line in green and put it next to the base blue line - this is the estimated length.
I then made a copy of the base length, in red, and put it on the end of the actual base - so what we can see is that the model size (in green) is just slightly shorter than the base x 2. So I would predict the model will be about 25cm long (250mm).
Does this make the MC30c Frigate a small or medium?
In-universe it's only a little smaller than the assault frigate, so, yeah, want to know.
Comparing the pictures it is on the same base as the raider, maaking a small base, you can also compare it to the victory class and see it is much smaller
This brings up the question, just how big is the Victory. I know we will find out for sure late next week or early the next. I think part of why some people expressed disappointment when they are hearing about ten inches or so is because they look at the pictures and the ISD looks huge compared to the other models, but 10 inches doesn't sound huge.
However, if the ISD is 10 and the VSD is 4.5 to 5 that gives a comparison between the medium and large ships that could be pictured readily.
So, Maverick, how big is the VSD?
However, if the ISD is 10 and the VSD is 4.5 to 5 that gives a comparison between the medium and large ships that could be pictured readily.
So, Maverick, how big is the VSD?
Indeed, inquiring minds want to know.
Though, Forensicus should have the measurement of the VSD (though, he may no longer have the box).
If the VSD is 2.4"-5", then 10" on the ISD would be too big.
I think I need to make another place-your-bets thread, but this time about how long the ISD is going to be.
I bet it will be 1600 meters!!
Checked Wookieepedia, I was right
What do I win?
I think it's a good bet that impressive Imperial Star Destroyer is far more likely to see play than the Epic ships out of X-Wing...
So, how large or how small is the ISD model then?
16 cm? 18? 20?
So have done some more analysis for you,
Based on this photo:
The blue line on the base represents the length of the Large base which we know to be 129mm.
The blue line on the ISD is a parallel line that I started on the base and then moved up onto the ISD and extended to the approximate length of the model (again, looks odd because its parallel to the base rather than to what look to be the end, but that would actually be distorted by the angle and give a longer measurement). I then made a copy of that line in green and put it next to the base blue line - this is the estimated length.
I then made a copy of the base length, in red, and put it on the end of the actual base - so what we can see is that the model size (in green) is just slightly shorter than the base x 2. So I would predict the model will be about 25cm long (250mm).
Does this make the MC30c Frigate a small or medium?
In-universe it's only a little smaller than the assault frigate, so, yeah, want to know.
I'm kind of surprised the MC30 is on a small base. It's supposedly nearly twice the length of a Nebulon B.
I guess a small base can go up to 600 meters.
Does this make the MC30c Frigate a small or medium?So, how large or how small is the ISD model then?
16 cm? 18? 20?
So have done some more analysis for you,
Based on this photo:
The blue line on the base represents the length of the Large base which we know to be 129mm.
The blue line on the ISD is a parallel line that I started on the base and then moved up onto the ISD and extended to the approximate length of the model (again, looks odd because its parallel to the base rather than to what look to be the end, but that would actually be distorted by the angle and give a longer measurement). I then made a copy of that line in green and put it next to the base blue line - this is the estimated length.
I then made a copy of the base length, in red, and put it on the end of the actual base - so what we can see is that the model size (in green) is just slightly shorter than the base x 2. So I would predict the model will be about 25cm long (250mm).
In-universe it's only a little smaller than the assault frigate, so, yeah, want to know.
I'm kind of surprised the MC30 is on a small base. It's supposedly nearly twice the length of a Nebulon B.
I guess a small base can go up to 600 meters.
That's the size of the gladiator which is on a small base...
I'm kind of surprised the MC30 is on a small base. It's supposedly nearly twice the length of a Nebulon B.
I guess a small base can go up to 600 meters.
That's roughly in line with the Gladiator SD, which at 500m is also on a small base. Those two at least have a fairly similar scale, but seem a little out of whack compared to the Nebulon-B, Raider, and CR-90.
Edited by CobaltWraithI went back to our good friend Forensicus' thread and found where he posted the VSD was about 14cm. That makes the VSD about 5.5. so if the ISD is about 25cm that makes it about 9.8 inches.
According to sources the VSD is 900 meters and an ISD is 1,600 meters. Not quite twice the size. If the above estimates of measurement are correct, it looks like the ISD and VSD are in approximate scale to each other.
So compared to the X-Wing corvette, it's over half the length, and what, a similar width to the CR90's engines?
Wow!
I had been thinking about this overnight and posted on the SSD thread, but for those who arent interested in trolling that thread here is a recap.
It bugged me looking at the ISD as to how far beyond the base it extended - while I wasnt surprised it was "bigger" than the base I was surprised by the extent of my calculations.
I thought - why did it need to be bigger than the base? Why not make the base bigger?
Then I realised 2 things.
1), having a large base the size it is, makes more opportunities for "small" large ships - like how the MC Cruiser is way thinner than an ISD, it wouldnt look right on a larger base. But maybe there will be other ships coming that will be "large" but a touch smaller than the existing large models.
2) If the base was the entire size of the ISD, regardless of if we made the base bigger, or the model smaller, when the movement tool is attached near the front and you perform a turn, the piviot point at the front means the stern of the ship would swing way out wide like a pendulum. This is why in X-Wing with the epic ships they had to make a new movement tool that worked from the middle of the ships. By having the ISD nose stick out over the front, it brings that pivot point further in towards the ships "centre of mass" and reduces the visual yaw effect. In contrast the MC Cruiser looks more balanced front and back over the base, so will probably look a little more "yaw-y" then the ISD which only looks to have a small part of the engines hanging over. Which kinda would look right, that the ISD might rotate a bit tighter than the Mon Cal Cruiser. It wont make any difference in terms of gameplay, since we move and measure from the base, but it just look better
...but 10 inches doesn't sound Huge
MUST.....RESIST.....INUENDO......
...but 10 inches doesn't sound Huge
MUST.....RESIST.....INUENDO......
Yeah, I realized that myself about .5 seconds after I pressed the post button. I figured, what the heck? Someone might laugh.
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Measured my X-Wing epic scale GR-75 (194mm x 80mm) and CR90 (224mm x 80mm), and added for comparison.
This is what I love about our Armada Community/Forum.
We have very talented individuals that are prepared to do the hard-calculations for everyone's benefit!
Mav, can I say, you are a true star on our forum! Thanks for all your contributions!
Now that that's out of the way -
When I first saw the leaked
Wave 2 Twitter images
on the forums...my mind went into a complete spin!
To quote An Irishman: WHAT!!
That was my precise reaction.
Followed by a quick suspicion that...maybe the ISD would be 'too big' to fit in with the overall scale in Armada, but this thread has allyed my concerns and I think I am optimistic about fielding several ISDs in large engagements!
Why would I be worried that the ISD would be too big? Well, I've read a fair bit about peoples thoughts and experiences with the CR90 'Epic' ships in X-Wing.
I have also seen the pictures...while the details look fantastic, the scale is...immersion breaking for me. If I were to ever venture into X-Wing I would never consider including Epic pieces in my games. Sitting there with this awesome looking game table...with something the size of a two-slice toaster in the middle!
One thing, I think, that Games Workshop did right with Battlefleet Gothic was not get too stuck into scaling the different cruiser, battleship and escort miniatures.
Walking into a room with a full 1000pt fleet game laid out on the table always looked 'just right' without any toasters sticking out like a sore thumb.
Hey guys did any of you see this picture? BOLS posted it today
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/fantasyflight07.jpg
Also, some of the accompanying photos show the MC80 from a very weird angle, makes it look anemic
Hey guys did any of you see this picture? BOLS posted it today
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/fantasyflight07.jpg
Also, some of the accompanying photos show the MC80 from a very weird angle, makes it look anemic
...and that pic positively confirms it: ISD is pictured on a Large base.
Hey guys did any of you see this picture? BOLS posted it today
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/fantasyflight07.jpg
Also, some of the accompanying photos show the MC80 from a very weird angle, makes it look anemic
...and that pic positively confirms it: ISD is pictured on a Large base.
Yup, definitely a large base - looking at that angle though, and having the Victory base to also compare with, I am revising my estimate down slightly, to about 21 - 23cm long. The Victory is slightly closer to the camera than the ISD, so that will make it look slightly larger in comparison than a side by side measurement.
Hey guys did any of you see this picture? BOLS posted it today
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/fantasyflight07.jpg
Also, some of the accompanying photos show the MC80 from a very weird angle, makes it look anemic
...and that pic positively confirms it: ISD is pictured on a Large base.
Yup, definitely a large base - looking at that angle though, and having the Victory base to also compare with, I am revising my estimate down slightly, to about 21 - 23cm long. The Victory is slightly closer to the camera than the ISD, so that will make it look slightly larger in comparison than a side by side measurement.
Hey guys did any of you see this picture? BOLS posted it today
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/fantasyflight07.jpg
Also, some of the accompanying photos show the MC80 from a very weird angle, makes it look anemic
...and that pic positively confirms it: ISD is pictured on a Large base.
Yup, definitely a large base - looking at that angle though, and having the Victory base to also compare with, I am revising my estimate down slightly, to about 21 - 23cm long. The Victory is slightly closer to the camera than the ISD, so that will make it look slightly larger in comparison than a side by side measurement.
This fits pretty well with our early estimates based on our understanding of the sliding scale. We came up with approx. 9 inches or about 23 cm.
Bump, because people have started talking all over again about how the ISD could be a medium ship in all new threads :/