But neither the Alliegence or the Raider look like a SSD

I think there are going to be plenty of other vessels produced before there is any reason for this to hit the play area. If they did produce it I would say no more then 18" long. Relative scale in this case would have to be applied with force. To expect anything bigger would be both a financial problem, and an unusable game piece.

However, everyone is hung up on a model. What about a game mat with a shot of the Super Star Destroyer from above orbiting Coruscant or something?

I'm late to this discussion, but what about this idea:

-Build and market the SSD as two separate skus and thus components, each about 16-18 inches long. The for and the aft as separate products, around $50 each I imagine. The rules/scenarios and gameplay could be marketed as scenario/epic play only, where the respective "half" that you get is deployed 'flush' against one of the map edges. The model would be considered static.

-Purchasing both "halfs" (as everyone indeed would), would allow you to link them together somewhere in the center. A PDF (or included in the box of each, whatever) would allow you to "field" the fully deployed model of 3'. Max speed would be 1, starts at 0, and it would be basically limited to shambling along.

You guys are all focusing on 'gameplay' problems...I don't really think FFG needs to worry about that...not for a product like this anyway. You don't do something like this and worry about "gameplay and balance" issues. Their concern is really more the logistics of production and shipping and providing a reasonable ruleset for usage. The players will figure out gameplay; by that I mean...if the SSD clocks in at 1,000 points, the fans will figure out how to get a game going of 1,500 points on each side.. It very much follows a "if you build it, they will come" kind of approach. For example, I'm not a tourney or even what might be called a competitive player, yet I have enough X Wing for 1,500 points on both rebels and imperials. We typically play team games of 600 points at my house on an 8' x 4' Warhammer table which gives us plenty of space to play. If, for whatever reason, we wanted to go even bigger, we'd crate the dogs and probably play it on the floor. My FLGS has X Wing every monday night. The last time I went there, they had about a 2,000 pts x2 (imps vs. scum). game going on upstairs. Table not big enough? Very pragmatic solution: build a bigger table. Don't say people aren't doing it. They are. FFG's only concern needs to be: would it sell? Everybody who buys one would know (or should know) that actual gameplay would probably be a bit wonky, and movement will depend on your table space...you can't get a piece like this and not expect something funky to go on. Whatever...that's not why you buy something like this.

Wow, is this crazy topic still going? Well at least everyone is playing nice.

FFG'll do it if they can make it in a way they're happy with that plays well.

Which is why they created the Raider, because there was no way to fit a ISD into X-Wing. The same exact issue you have with a SSD in Armada.

each about 16-18 inches long. The for and the aft as separate products, around $50 each I imagine.

The CR-90 for X-Wing which is about 12 inches long sells for $100, so something 1.5 times as large would never be sold for half as much.

I just don't see where everyone get's these huge size estimations for the SSD. I have read in multiple locations as well as seen on those internet pictures that compare ship sizes that the SSD is 5 times longer than a ISD. Assuming it was just a scale up version (which it is not) that makes an SSD 125 times more massive than a ISD.

But this game has a sliding scale, with a Star Destroyer the size of a Decimator how will a SSD the size of a huge (epic only) ship not be cool and satisfying.

The picture I was referencing is from the BoLS article here . I hadn't seen the pic of the Victory next to the Imperial before. It also has some alternate views of some of the other ships.

FFG'll do it if they can make it in a way they're happy with that plays well.

Which is why they created the Raider, because there was no way to fit a ISD into X-Wing. The same exact issue you have with a SSD in Armada.

each about 16-18 inches long. The for and the aft as separate products, around $50 each I imagine.

The CR-90 for X-Wing which is about 12 inches long sells for $100, so something 1.5 times as large would never be sold for half as much.

But its not the exact same issue. With a ISD in x wing your looking at something that is 100s of time larger than a single fighter. WIth a SSD in armada your only looking at something that is 10x larger than a ISD. Its no where near the same issue. Its much more likely that we will see a SSD in armada than ever seeing a ISD in x wing.

As for having two different pieces, I dont like that idea, I'd rather pay $150 for a single model than $100 for two models that I would have to stick together. But if they scale down the SSD enough it wouldnt have to cost that much.

I just don't see where everyone get's these huge size estimations for the SSD. I have read in multiple locations as well as seen on those internet pictures that compare ship sizes that the SSD is 5 times longer than a ISD. Assuming it was just a scale up version (which it is not) that makes an SSD 125 times more massive than a ISD.

But this game has a sliding scale, with a Star Destroyer the size of a Decimator how will a SSD the size of a huge (epic only) ship not be cool and satisfying.

The ISD is 1,600m long, the Executor class SSD (the one everyone knows from the movies) is 19,000m. That is over ten times the length of the ISD. These are the numbers straight from Lucus Films not estimates from pictures on the internet.

So yes, it is friken huge! They would have to down scale it over 70% to fit the 2' mark that has been agreed on by both sides as being the largest they can make it and still work in game.

Now that we got all the late comers cuaght up you can resume saying the same stuff that was said pages ago.

Just for the record NewTroski had the best argument for making the SSD work in Armada, and it was good, but it is still assuming FFG will be willing to down scale the SSD over 70%. That just seems like a lot and too much for some of us. That is where we stand and will most likely not move.

Nice, thanks. Yeah the ISD looks quite a bit larger but not quite to scale it seems.

I just don't see where everyone get's these huge size estimations for the SSD. I have read in multiple locations as well as seen on those internet pictures that compare ship sizes that the SSD is 5 times longer than a ISD. Assuming it was just a scale up version (which it is not) that makes an SSD 125 times more massive than a ISD.

But this game has a sliding scale, with a Star Destroyer the size of a Decimator how will a SSD the size of a huge (epic only) ship not be cool and satisfying.

Not sure where you are reading, but the Executor-class SSD is 19 KM long. Its more like 12 times longer than an ISD. If they wanted to put an SSD into Armada, the ISD would have to be around Gladiator size. Then you could get away with an SSD about the length or a bit longer than a CR-90.

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I forget, how long is the SSD again?

I forget, how long is the SSD again?

I will go back to my closet now. Sorry.

I forget, how long is the SSD again?

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I forget, how long is the SSD again?

And here in post #136, we see the internet troll in it's native habitat.

Just pointing to what's left of the horse

I forget, how long is the SSD again?

And here in post #136, we see the internet troll in it's native habitat.

LOL.... that made my day.

FFG'll do it if they can make it in a way they're happy with that plays well.

Which is why they created the Raider, because there was no way to fit a ISD into X-Wing. The same exact issue you have with a SSD in Armada.

each about 16-18 inches long. The for and the aft as separate products, around $50 each I imagine.

The CR-90 for X-Wing which is about 12 inches long sells for $100, so something 1.5 times as large would never be sold for half as much.

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As for having two different pieces, I dont like that idea, I'd rather pay $150 for a single model than $100 for two models that I would have to stick together. But if they scale down the SSD enough it wouldnt have to cost that much.

*I* would too. But that's not the question/issue. It's really more about what FFG could reasonably produce/market and stock on shelves. I guess a 3' long ship that came in two halves, each of which are 18", could be put into the same box with some assembly required. I think that would work.

But its not the exact same issue. With a ISD in x wing your looking at something that is 100s of time larger than a single fighter.

Yes it is. A ISD is about 10 times the size of a CR-90, the largest ship in X-wing, the SSD is also about 10 times the size of ISD. So it is very much exactly the same issue.

You have two cases of people wanting something that is simply way too large to fit into the game, without reducing it by a massive amount to make it fit. At which point it is no longer really that thing, but a cheap knock off of it. The same exact issue we had with an ISD in X-Wing... Again something FFG decided not to do.

So while X-Wing limited ships to 150-200m max, I fully expect Armada to be limited to about 1,600m max for it's ships.

Even if you look at the smallest model people are willing to accept, it's still about 2 feet long, that makes the cost around $200 if not more.

Who knows what ships will get introduced in the coming movies. We might get a candidate for a extra-large ship in the 2000-3000m range. I think the large base could probably accommodate something that was 2000m. As long as it wasn't hugely wide.

The Allegiance is just a Star Destroyer scaled up.

Yeah it has a slight variation but over all looks the same

But neither the Alliegence or the Raider look like a SSD

The only other ship that could perhaps work in that scale is the Praetor Class Battlecruiser .

It is about 4 km long and has a more unique design.

That's as big I think FFG can get with a larger Class without being greatly out of scale

Man, soon this thread will be longer than an SSD!

Man, soon this thread will be longer than an SSD!

Need I remind you that an SSD is 19,000m long? I guess this would all depend on the scale of said SSD though.

"The Super Star Destroyer is so long..."

"How long is it?"

"The Super Star Destroyer is so long, it IS the Kessel Run!"

Man, soon this thread will be longer than an SSD!

Need I remind you that an SSD is 19,000m long? I guess this would all depend on the scale of said SSD though.

"The Super Star Destroyer is so long..."

"How long is it?"

"The Super Star Destroyer is so long, it IS the Kessel Run!"

Would that not be as fast as the Kessel run ;-)

So anyways, I think both sides have valid points.

Sliding scale could allow for a 2 footish SSD. But it would be a very generous scale adjustment.

One thought for the game is : what is the central scale that all other sliding scales are adjusted? Is the medium size the central scale, with ships smaller than this being bigger, and ships larger vein smaller?

Something like:

Starfighters: 10:1

Small : 2:1

Medium: 1:1

Large: 1:2

SSD: 1:?

Based on a regression analysis, one could probably figure out what the SSD size would be, as it is essentially as out of scale as the starfighter models (15 meters vs 900m vsI'm 19000m is 60:1 and1:21 respectively)