I can imagine how the massive WTF!!! would look like, if SWM20 turns out to be a Wingless Liberty or AF1

5 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

They're not as clumsy or as random as an article. A more elegant random number generator, for a more civilized game.

Hokey rolls and outdated number generators, are no match for a good SSD by your side.

9 minutes ago, Noosh said:

Hokey rolls and outdated number generators, are no match for a good SSD by your side.

I find your lack of faith disturbing

Just now, Megatronrex said:

I find your lack of faith disturbing

*Chokes on pretzel*

2 minutes ago, Noosh said:

*Chokes on pretzel*

Now young Nooshwalker, you will die.

Man, as much as I hate the idea of it being SO VERY out of scale. I have to admit, mel's looks pretty cool on the table.



I'd buy it.

2 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Man, as much as I hate the idea of it being SO VERY out of scale. I have to admit, mel's looks pretty cool on the table.



I'd buy it.

I actually think it would look better if it were a bit wider.

But overall, very cool.

What I really want is the Exlipse class. Such a cool ship.

13 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Man, as much as I hate the idea of it being SO VERY out of scale. I have to admit, mel's looks pretty cool on the table.



I'd buy it.

I think it looks fine. It could be a tiny bit bigger, but if you put it on a less high base so all the other ships are physically above it the scale issue is essentially solved.

1 hour ago, Lord Tareq said:

I think it looks fine. It could be a tiny bit bigger, but if you put it on a less high base so all the other ships are physically above it the scale issue is essentially solved.

And I thought that it looks to big, from what I remember (not very scientific I know) from the movies.

14 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Man, as much as I hate the idea of it being SO VERY out of scale. I have to admit, mel's looks pretty cool on the table.



I'd buy it.

I think that looks pretty awesome!

As a scaled game piece it is entirely fine by me, and I would advocate for its inclusion in the game at that size. That said, I know nothing about the logistics/economics of bringing a model like that - with the quality we've come to expect - to market.

2 minutes ago, CDAT said:

And I thought that it looks to big, from what I remember (not very scientific I know) from the movies.

Yeah, you'll want to look more closely at the movies. While I think it looks great in those pictures, it is not to scale.

Just now, CDAT said:

And I thought that it looks to big, from what I remember (not very scientific I know) from the movies.

The tie-in media (From Star Wars To Indiana Jones) said the Executor's tower was the same size as that of a regular ISD - and some movie images did support that:

So I can see why people feel that it needs to be big, even if not exactly to scale..

this scale issue keeps coming up. does the CR-90 fit into the docking bay of the ISD mini? yet everyone still use's them. the problem is not one of scale. the problem is how do you properly stat the ship. something this massive carries a lot of firepower. how do we do it justice?

Only now, at the end do you understand the power of the SSD.

FFG is feeding this as much as anyone. This thread pops back up every time there is a wave delay.

Ok, maybe I pop it back up... but only because you all start talking about it again!

I do realize I am floating into conspiracy theorist territory, so if anyone finds origami instructions for making an Imperial officers hat, pm me. I shall make it out of tinfoil, and ware it in an unboxing video for the SSD!

13 minutes ago, cynanbloodbane said:

Only now, at the end do you understand the power of the SSD.

FFG is feeding this as much as anyone. This thread pops back up every time there is a wave delay.

Ok, maybe I pop it back up... but only because you all start talking about it again!

I do realize I am floating into conspiracy theorist territory, so if anyone finds origami instructions for making an Imperial officers hat, pm me. I shall make it out of tinfoil, and ware it in an unboxing video for the SSD!

This was as close as I could find.

http://origamiyoda.com/2014/02/origami-gamorrean-guard/

Sigh... ok, I will start work on a custom tinfoil hat as soon as I get done with my entry for @Crabbok painting contest.

1 hour ago, solaria said:

this scale issue keeps coming up. does the CR-90 fit into the docking bay of the ISD mini? yet everyone still use's them. the problem is not one of scale. the problem is how do you properly stat the ship. something this massive carries a lot of firepower. how do we do it justice?

I've occasionally felt that the best way to do it justice is to give the ISD and MC80, starfighter stats - substituting tiny models of those, for the existing 3-starfighter bases - and give the Executor ISD stats- and put a (roughly) ISD-length (20-odd cm) Executor model on an ISD base.

That way - you could field huge squadrons of ISDs alongside one SSD (and maybe a few "battlecruisers" as small ships.)

Maybe we're thinking about this all wrong - what if they did release the SSD but not as a normal game ship, as part of a campaign mode/expansion similar to CC, So in the pack you get the model/base/etc. and objective cards with a rule set for the campaign. You start out with a normal game where the objective is to locate the SSD. Once found, the Imperial player gets to field it. In one game the Rebel objective is to damage/cripple the SSD, Empire needs to fend off the attacks...and/or, it could be Empire needs to kill X Rebel ships causing a retreat. If the rebels win the next objective is to repair the SSD systems, if Empire wins the Rebels have to play a match and if they win they get a special token that allows for more damage against the SSD or something.

Maybe it's like a 8-12 game campaign, all based around destroying/using the SSD.

specific upgrade cards, new titles/aces etc. could be included, and a rule set for using the SSD in casual play.

The SSD creates a lot of problems, and this picture does a good job of showing them.

19 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Man, as much as I hate the idea of it being SO VERY out of scale. I have to admit, mel's looks pretty cool on the table.



I'd buy it.

First off, the scale between a CR90 and an ISD is off, but not too awfully bad. A CR90 could actually fit in an ISD.

The ISD however would not fit into the SSD in any way, shape, or form. It honestly looks WAY too small. Take a look at that nearby frigate. Top to bottom it looks much larger than the SSD in height, when really it would be dwarfed by the SSD. I know Armada has a sliding scale for sizes, but this just doesn't do it justice.

But you can't really make it any larger as it starts to take up too much room on the table. Look at the massive amount of overhang this has. You need this higher than other units otherwise you'd have collisions of ships without collisions of bases. A higher SSD will only look worse for size. Your other problem with going larger is the collision rules of the game. The massive tail swing of that ship would be incredible, especially if you had certain upgrades/commanders. It would be nearly impossible to pilot that thing as any movement would be likely to ram into other ships. Trying to avoid obstacles would also be difficult.

Dice become an issue also. Every incarnation I've seen shows massive numbers of dice. You need a lot of dice to represent the firepower... however this makes it so there is no weak point or way to approach the ship. Look at those overlapping side arcs. Lets say you give it a REALLY weak rear end. It's still not a weak point. You move a ship into position to attack it, and then it pulls a 45 degree turn, or with the right setup a 90 degree turn and suddenly that weak rear zone is 1/4 of the way across the board and well out of your firing range.

All in all, I just don't see how they can actually stick an SSD into this game that will look decent and be playable. I know FFG would love to do it, but I would be surprised if we ever saw anything official.

1 hour ago, eliteone said:

Maybe we're thinking about this all wrong - what if they did release the SSD but not as a normal game ship, as part of a campaign mode/expansion similar to CC, So in the pack you get the model/base/etc. and objective cards with a rule set for the campaign. You start out with a normal game where the objective is to locate the SSD. Once found, the Imperial player gets to field it. In one game the Rebel objective is to damage/cripple the SSD, Empire needs to fend off the attacks...and/or, it could be Empire needs to kill X Rebel ships causing a retreat. If the rebels win the next objective is to repair the SSD systems, if Empire wins the Rebels have to play a match and if they win they get a special token that allows for more damage against the SSD or something.

Maybe it's like a 8-12 game campaign, all based around destroying/using the SSD.

specific upgrade cards, new titles/aces etc. could be included, and a rule set for using the SSD in casual play.

My foggy memory suggests that this is an idea a very general version of which has been put forward before. I'd be all for it.

I also know that they've had an SSD playtested, but I have no idea what the results of the playtesting were. From what I did hear, however, it wasn't all that big. That's a shame. It should be big. 16" at the very least, IMO.

22 minutes ago, kmanweiss said:

The SSD creates a lot of problems, and this picture does a good job of showing them.

First off, the scale between a CR90 and an ISD is off, but not too awfully bad. A CR90 could actually fit in an ISD.

The ISD however would not fit into the SSD in any way, shape, or form. It honestly looks WAY too small. Take a look at that nearby frigate. Top to bottom it looks much larger than the SSD in height, when really it would be dwarfed by the SSD. I know Armada has a sliding scale for sizes, but this just doesn't do it justice.

But you can't really make it any larger as it starts to take up too much room on the table. Look at the massive amount of overhang this has. You need this higher than other units otherwise you'd have collisions of ships without collisions of bases. A higher SSD will only look worse for size. Your other problem with going larger is the collision rules of the game. The massive tail swing of that ship would be incredible, especially if you had certain upgrades/commanders. It would be nearly impossible to pilot that thing as any movement would be likely to ram into other ships. Trying to avoid obstacles would also be difficult.

Dice become an issue also. Every incarnation I've seen shows massive numbers of dice. You need a lot of dice to represent the firepower... however this makes it so there is no weak point or way to approach the ship. Look at those overlapping side arcs. Lets say you give it a REALLY weak rear end. It's still not a weak point. You move a ship into position to attack it, and then it pulls a 45 degree turn, or with the right setup a 90 degree turn and suddenly that weak rear zone is 1/4 of the way across the board and well out of your firing range.

All in all, I just don't see how they can actually stick an SSD into this game that will look decent and be playable. I know FFG would love to do it, but I would be surprised if we ever saw anything official.

So when ffg brainstormed ideas for armada, you don’t think they thought about the ssd at that time? They intentionally chose a scale that wouldn’t work to add one of the most popular ships in the Star Wars universe, quite possibly the most popular? They had to have assumed they would add the ssd at some point to this game, other wise they would have used a smaller scale. Same argument goes for the inclusion of the at at in Legion. They would have used a smaller scale if the at at wouldn’t work with the scale they chose. Legion will have an at at and armada will have an ssd. So says the spirit of Ben.

Two words:

Sliding.

Scale.

59 minutes ago, Mikael Hasselstein said:

I also know that they've had an SSD playtested, but I have no idea what the results of the playtesting were. From what I did hear, however, it wasn't all that big. That's a shame. It should be big. 16" at the very least, IMO.

Tournament legal SSD?

Would the Rebels get an epic scale ship?

54 minutes ago, Green Knight said:

Two words:

Sliding.

Scale.

Only if Logarithmic

6 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

Tournament legal SSD?

Would the Rebels get an epic scale ship?

The only one that comes to mind would be the Viscount.

The upcoming Raddus heavy cruiser from The Last Jedi i s supposed to be 3 km long. While not a good counterpart to the Executor - it would make a good counterpart to the Resurgent-class Finalizer.