Just now, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:

It makes sense. This is big, but they know what we think of when they say BIG.

You'd think they'd tell us when things would be delayed 6+ months because the Port Exploded, and then the Shipping Company went Bankrupt.

That seems pretty big, too.

But alas.

14 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

You'd think they'd tell us when things would be delayed 6+ months because the Port Exploded, and then the Shipping Company went Bankrupt.

That seems pretty big, too.

But alas.

I guess your right. DEFINITELY not complaining, Thrawn and the new stuff is AMAZING. Just wish we would see the SSD.

I like that this thread is over 2 years old and people are like "I'm confident the SSD is coming soon". I'm as reasonably confident that SWM20 is the SSD too but I don't have any expectations of its release time or if it's still going to be, they might very well have cancelled it as an abandoned project.

Just now, dominosfleet said:

I like that this thread is over 2 years old and people are like "I'm confident the SSD is coming soon". I'm as reasonably confident that SWM20 is the SSD too but I don't have any expectations of its release time or if it's still going to be, they might very well have cancelled it as an abandoned project.

Well now SWM28 is missing. I'm 99% certain that ff SWM20 is SSD, than SWM28 is Viscount or a new Rebel supership.

I agree that SWM28 is likely the rebel counterpart, but still no idea when / if it'll be released.

57 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

I like that this thread is over 2 years old and people are like "I'm confident the SSD is coming soon". I'm as reasonably confident that SWM20 is the SSD too but I don't have any expectations of its release time or if it's still going to be, they might very well have cancelled it as an abandoned project.

Dominosfleet, it sounds like some Rebel sympathisers have potentially swayed you with their seditious ways...I would consider referring you to our local ISB Agent, @Mikael Hasselstein f or some much wanted re-familiarisation!

Heh heh heh.

...don't forget it took over three years of campaigning and wishing and hoping against hope before Project Gunboat became a reality!

It's become apparent that FFG is an amazing company that listens and caters as best as it can to its customers/player base whilst trying to appease the Great Mouse!

They gave us the Interdictor & Liberty Cruiser when we clamoured for them...

They gave us our Saviour the Gunboat when all our voices cried out as one...

They gave us the Grand Admiral and his Chimera as well as Admiral Raddus and his Profundity when we prayed for them!

"Please please FFG - GIBE!!!"

Do NOT give up hope, friend!

1 hour ago, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:

Well now SWM28 is missing. I'm 99% certain that ff SWM20 is SSD, than SWM28 is Viscount or a new Rebel supership.

Nah, SWM28 is the Resurgent-class. It's big, and will be released with one of the new trilogy movies.

SWM20 is definitely the SSD, and I'm pretty sure FFG has gone as far as finishing playtesting on it, has the model mockup and numbers from the factory on what costs will be to produce it...and so are sitting on it until the game has expanded in the market enough to make sense to try to sell it. Because margins on this thing are not going to be great.

Indeed, I bet we get SWM28 before SWM20. Maybe wave 8 ?

18 minutes ago, xanderf said:

Nah, SWM28 is the Resurgent-class. It's big, and will be released with one of the new trilogy movies.

SWM20 is definitely the SSD, and I'm pretty sure FFG has gone as far as finishing playtesting on it, has the model mockup and numbers from the factory on what costs will be to produce it...and so are sitting on it until the game has expanded in the market enough to make sense to try to sell it. Because margins on this thing are not going to be great.

Indeed, I bet we get SWM28 before SWM20. Maybe wave 8 ?

That makes a ton of sense.

The evidence is still stacked in favor of the addition of the SSD and Epic play.

The only thing that even mildly diminished the odds was the addition of the fleet command upgrade on the ISD C. Even that is negligeable.

Lack of Piett, CC final conflict, fleet command art, SWM20 being developed alongside CC & wave 6, Eclipse name drop by the mouse. All of these things are still there. I still think it is coming soon.

In all honesty, the only thing that kills the SSD's chances of appearing in Armada, is if we get Piett and the Emperor as commanders in other expansions. Until then, keep the Imperial March qued up, because yeah, the SSD is coming.

1 hour ago, cynanbloodbane said:

The evidence is still stacked in favor of the addition of the SSD and Epic play.

The only thing that even mildly diminished the odds was the addition of the fleet command upgrade on the ISD C. Even that is negligeable.

Lack of Piett, CC final conflict, fleet command art, SWM20 being developed alongside CC & wave 6, Eclipse name drop by the mouse. All of these things are still there. I still think it is coming soon.

In all honesty, the only thing that kills the SSD's chances of appearing in Armada, is if we get Piett and the Emperor as commanders in other expansions. Until then, keep the Imperial March qued up, because yeah, the SSD is coming.

I think they know the majority of players want the SSD and it will probably make a ton of money. The question is how to do it.

I wouldn't be surprised if the SSD gets some game changing upgrades to try to increase sales. I wasn't interested in the Chimaera expansion until I saw the Cymoon and Kuat refits.

3 hours ago, cynanbloodbane said:

The evidence is still stacked in favor of the addition of the SSD and Epic play.

The only thing that even mildly diminished the odds was the addition of the fleet command upgrade on the ISD C. Even that is negligeable.

Lack of Piett, CC final conflict, fleet command art, SWM20 being developed alongside CC & wave 6, Eclipse name drop by the mouse. All of these things are still there. I still think it is coming soon.

In all honesty, the only thing that kills the SSD's chances of appearing in Armada, is if we get Piett and the Emperor as commanders in other expansions. Until then, keep the Imperial March qued up, because yeah, the SSD is coming.

So...what you are telling me is that the Empire gets the Executor for SWM20 and the Eclipse for SWM28?

Oh hey Rebels you have three large ships that is cute we have two huge ones.

5 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Oh hey Rebels you have three large ships that is cute we have two huge ones.

That's what I like about Star Wars , those thematic inequalities. Rebels are often outgunned. And even when they are not, they use smaller and numerous weapon platforms as opposed to large powerful ships like the empire.

If nothing else, I'd buy a model of the dark empire Eclipse just to have one.

You could also do droid fighters. I saw someone recently suggest a great game mechanic where the fighters have to stay at close range of the mothership to function.

The Eclipse would come with the regenerated Emperor, right? I doubt we'll see that. FFG will release EU stuff but they won't contradict new canon.

1 minute ago, bleezy said:

The Eclipse would come with the regenerated Emperor, right? I doubt we'll see that. FFG will release EU stuff but they won't contradict new canon.

I guess it could just come with the emperor as most seem to expect at the regular SSD (if it comes) will come with Piett.

12 minutes ago, ISD Avenger said:

If nothing else, I'd buy a model of the dark empire Eclipse just to have one.

8 minutes ago, bleezy said:

The Eclipse would come with the regenerated Emperor, right? I doubt we'll see that. FFG will release EU stuff but they won't contradict new canon.

Wrong 'Eclipse'.

nuCanon has established that one of the Super Star Destroyers that went into the the Unknown Regions to found the First Order, after the Empire lost the Battle of Jakku, was called the Eclipse. Assumption is that it's the same class as the Executor, although it could be something different (reference is from the 'Aftermath' books)

If it is of the Executor class, than we could be getting a force friday tie in. The reason why is that rumor has it that the Eclipse might be in TLJ as Snoke's command ship.

Rumours are that the new TLJ trailer may drop tomorrow or FF2. If that's the case, whatever FFG announce is likely to directly link to the ST rather than OT.

I actually reckon we'll see a new ST core set for IA, although something like the First Order ships for Armada might be the announcement as well.

I still hope the Executor does eventually get released in some way as Armada is incomplete without it. I hope they don't make up some wierd rubbish about Rebels having a huge ship as well though, that seems wrong. As a Rebel player, I have no problems with asymetry, its all part of the theme. Plus, I'll just blow up the shield generators and ram the bridge with an A-Wing squad. That'll bring it down.

Now we know the FF2 product isn't the SSD, a thought (bear with me)...

If and when the SSD is released it'll need a whole new set of rules where the Rebels get points for destoying parts of it as the chance of destroying it would be almost zero.

Flying the thing would almost be impossible without a 9' by 6' table. More likely it would be stationary.

The price of the model could be too large to warrant the production of it.

So......

What if the only way to include the SSD was to have it as a large multi-piece cardboard template to keep the cost down and allow ships to be placed on it. This could then form part of a new campaign box with the rules needed for it. The template SSD may not be as good as a model, but in reality would work a lot better in terms of gameplay and cost.

Honestly, I just want the SSD so I can reenact the Battle of Jakku, but with Thrawn in charge (i.e. the epic victory that it should be)

37 minutes ago, Gallanteer said:

Now we know the FF2 product isn't the SSD, a thought (bear with me)...

If and when the SSD is released it'll need a whole new set of rules where the Rebels get points for destoying parts of it as the chance of destroying it would be almost zero.

Flying the thing would almost be impossible without a 9' by 6' table. More likely it would be stationary.

The price of the model could be too large to warrant the production of it.

So......

What if the only way to include the SSD was to have it as a large multi-piece cardboard template to keep the cost down and allow ships to be placed on it. This could then form part of a new campaign box with the rules needed for it. The template SSD may not be as good as a model, but in reality would work a lot better in terms of gameplay and cost.

That is definitely a more affordable option, I think it falls under the heading of too affordable. While not every Armada player will be able to afford a $100+ SSD, the model will have sales opportunities beyond Armada, as there are almost zero SSD models available under the $300-$400 price point. A $20-$30 campaign pack will leave alot of money on the table. It will be a physical model.

1 hour ago, Gallanteer said:

Now we know the FF2 product isn't the SSD, a thought (bear with me)...

If and when the SSD is released it'll need a whole new set of rules where the Rebels get points for destoying parts of it as the chance of destroying it would be almost zero.

Flying the thing would almost be impossible without a 9' by 6' table. More likely it would be stationary.

The price of the model could be too large to warrant the production of it.

So......

What if the only way to include the SSD was to have it as a large multi-piece cardboard template to keep the cost down and allow ships to be placed on it. This could then form part of a new campaign box with the rules needed for it. The template SSD may not be as good as a model, but in reality would work a lot better in terms of gameplay and cost.

Hrm...I don't have X-Wing yet - (waiting for the Gunboat to come out before I buy in :D) but...can anyone with experience with Epic X-Wing ships be able to shed some light on this?

How do these Epic sized ships play? Do they move about the table much? Or do they mostly sit at the centre of the play area and shoot at stuff?

I think game-play would likely be similar for a SSD in Armada?

18 hours ago, Alpha Xg1 said:

Hrm...I don't have X-Wing yet - (waiting for the Gunboat to come out before I buy in :D) but...can anyone with experience with Epic X-Wing ships be able to shed some light on this?

How do these Epic sized ships play? Do they move about the table much? Or do they mostly sit at the centre of the play area and shoot at stuff?

I think game-play would likely be similar for a SSD in Armada?

I do play an awful lot of XW and enjoy playing the epic format. It's great fun and works well. But, they will never get an actual Star Destroyer.

I just have doubts about the SSD model in Armada working as well in Armada, and just shared a thought I had not only about the model but just how it would work functionally within the game.

The Rebels should never get a ship this size (unless the dug up some old EU shizzle), therefore the SSD would have to be the mission itself and therefore may be suited to a campaign resolving around it.

With luck, the Raddus (from the same The Last Jedi app that gave us details on Snoke's Mega Star Destroyer Supremacy ) will turn out to be something big. It's Resistance rather than Rebellion - but same general idea.

Here is my answer for the SSD:

Executor
Admiral Piett
General Veers
Note: Build synergy should be built around well coordinated attacks by multiple ships on a single target. Veers could provide some bonus to boarding parties (such as boosting their effective range)

Ravager
Gallius Rax
Brendol Hux

Build should center on the concept of Operation Cinder and represent their fanatical nature. Ships should receive boosts of some nature as more and more casualties are incurred to represent their fanatical nature.

Eclipse
Palpatine
Yupe Tashu or Jylia Shale

Build Synergy: Power of the Dark Side
Build should center around Emperor Palpatine's mastery over the Dark Side through battle meditation and instilling fear in the enemy. This could be represented in the ability to reroll enemy hit dice. Thus, the fear would either cause them to miss, or further inspire them to fight to the death (as you have a chance for a reroll to go both ways).

And for the rebel counter:

The Starhawk-class Battleship

Name ships: Amity, Unity, and the Concord
Officer: Commodore Kyrsta Agate
Upgrade Cards: Magnite Crystal Tractor Beam

What is the upper size limit when it comes to Armada?

There has to be one.

X-Wing is never going to get an ISD.

Imperial Assault and Legion are likely never going to see an AT-AT.

The Finalizer and Raddus are both almost twice the length of an ISD. They alone would push the scale out of wack. Should we expect a 2' Mandator IV model? It's only 7000 meters. It would look good next to the 5' SSD. And don't forget the Mega Class that would have a wingspan the size of a small car.

Or will everything be shrunk down to the point scale is meaningless?

What is Armada's size Ceiling?