And on two of the Fleet Command upgrades.

She comes.

Maybe a stupid question...

But is there no 'smaller' SSD design/variant in the EU? I mean the Executor was just one ship...maybe Vader upscaled it to compensate for something lol ?

Ironically, its one of the smaller ones.

Did you guys notice that there are TWO SSDs in the TIE Defender picture?

Not surprising, there was thirteen of them constructed. The Annihilator, Arbitrator, Eclipse, Executor, and Ravager are only five that we know the names of.

Ironically, its one of the smaller ones.

The Executor? It might be small by mass (estimated based on apparent volume) compared to some others, but by length it's the longest.

The smallest ship referenced as a Super Star Destroyer was the Allegiance - which eventually got a length revealed in The Essential Guide to Warfare - 2.2km:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Allegiance-class_battlecruiser

We don't actually know for sure that all 13 newcanon SSDs AKA Dreadnoughts were Executor-class. Complete Locations did suggest the term applied to Executors and other huge ships, and Rogue One: Mission Files, mentions the Mandator-class dreadnought.

So what are we looking at optimally for a decent scaled SSD in Armada? I imagine if FFG were to produce one it would be similarly priced to the epic ships of X-Wing so in the one hundred to one hundred and fifty dollar range.

Maybe a stupid question...

But is there no 'smaller' SSD design/variant in the EU? I mean the Executor was just one ship...maybe Vader upscaled it to compensate for something lol ?

So what are we looking at optimally for a decent scaled SSD in Armada? I imagine if FFG were to produce one it would be similarly priced to the epic ships of X-Wing so in the one hundred to one hundred and fifty dollar range.

SSD wouldn't fit on the table, so big it is. And SSD alone would be able to endure against more than 2 Calamaris or more than 2 Star Destroyers and have tons of couples upgrades to make it expensive and you would have to roll more than 12 dices per attack. I think that is why FFG won't release this, it could overpower everything and be played alone without the help of addictional ships.

I would love a 400 point game where my SSD and upgrades costs 300 points so I still get 100 points of fighters. A base cost on the SSD of 200, with upto 40 points for Commander then 60 for upgrades still leaves 100 for fighters.

Oh my god yes.

So without rereading all 62 previous pages lol...

does anyone know how off-scale the other ships are? IE, the CR90 is clearly not to scale with the ISD...which one is off?

See the thread about squadrons.

That SSD is nothing but fodder for A-wings, and they don't even have bomber.

Maybe a stupid question...

But is there no 'smaller' SSD design/variant in the EU? I mean the Executor was just one ship...maybe Vader upscaled it to compensate for something lol ?

The first 40 pages of this thread we were discussing the different classes of SSD's which I believe would be better for this game than the Executor class but most poo-poo on that idea because they are not open to an open discussion. They want the Executor and nothing else, so I say nothing else would be perable than trying to shoehorn in the Executor class.

Ironically, its one of the smaller ones.

is there no 'smaller' SSD design/variant in the EU? I mean the Executor was just one ship...maybe Vader upscaled it to compensate for something lol ?

The Executor? It might be small by mass (estimated based on apparent volume) compared to some others, but by length it's the longest.

The smallest ship referenced as a Super Star Destroyer was the Allegiance - which eventually got a length revealed in The Essential Guide to Warfare - 2.2km:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Allegiance-class_battlecruiser

Not surprising, there was thirteen of them constructed. The Annihilator, Arbitrator, Eclipse, Executor, and Ravager are only five that we know the names of.

We don't actually know for sure that all 13 newcanon SSDs AKA Dreadnoughts were Executor-class. Complete Locations did suggest the term applied to Executors and other huge ships, and Rogue One: Mission Files, mentions the Mandator-class dreadnought.

Actually, according to the Aftermath trilogy (which cites imperial data files on Coruscant at the ISB library) all thirteen were Executor class super star destroyers.

The quote in question was a bit vague:

She starts with the Dreadnoughts— the Super Star Destroyers. Thirteen were in service before the revivified Death Star was destroyed above Endor. One of those is the Ravager, the SSD from which Sloane rules the Empire (and which, strictly speaking, is now Gaelan’s command). One of those is the Executor, Vader’s command ship. The Executor was lost that day, plunging into the surface of the Death Star. Taking hundreds of thousands of the best Imperials with it.

Sloane shudders as she thinks of it.

That leaves eleven others.

Three are now in the hands of the New Republic. Two of those were from admirals willingly surrendering the ship and its people. One was taken forcibly by New Republic forces while it underwent repairs over Kuat.

Five were destroyed outright in battles across the galaxy with the New Republic— the ships were understaffed, underprotected, and on the run. (The Dreadnoughts are home to massive batteries of fleet-killing weapons, yes, but are also slow, unwieldy beasts— they hang there in the sky like bricks, and without adequate protection it is an inevitability that enemy forces could erode the ships until obliteration ensues.)

One was taken by pirates: the Annihilator . Tagge’s old ship. But who controls the Annihilator now? The reports don’t say.

Another, the Arbitrator , made a bad hyperspace calculation to escape pursuing NR ships. It evaporated when it was sucked into a gravity well.

That leaves Palpatine’s own command ship:

The Eclipse.

Records show that it, too, was destroyed by a fleet of New Republic vessels— Ackbar’s own frigate, Home One , firing the ship-killing shot.

Ah, but there’s the catch, and it’s why Sloane is here: The ships dumped data across the stars, transmitting pulses of information to this location. That provides a black-box recording of information so one could discern what exactly happened before a ship was destroyed, captured, or surrendered. All the other tracking data adds up to the known fates of each SSD. Their stories match the data for all of them— except one.

For the Eclipse, the data ends a full day-cycle before the ship was reportedly destroyed. It shows no siege by New Republic forces. It simply... drops off the star map. Gone. Vanished.

Is it possible that the Eclipse is still out there? Could the Ravager not be the last Super Star Destroyer in the naval arsenal?

Given that both "SSD" and "Dreadnought" apply to other ships than Executor class, and given that the Annihilator is in service before the Executor - it's possible that The 13 may include other classes like Mandator.

Actually, according to the Aftermath trilogy (which cites imperial data files on Coruscant at the ISB library) all thirteen were Executor class super star destroyers.

The quote in question was a bit vague:

She starts with the Dreadnoughts— the Super Star Destroyers. Thirteen were in service before the revivified Death Star was destroyed above Endor. One of those is the Ravager, the SSD from which Sloane rules the Empire (and which, strictly speaking, is now Gaelan’s command). One of those is the Executor, Vader’s command ship. The Executor was lost that day, plunging into the surface of the Death Star. Taking hundreds of thousands of the best Imperials with it.

Sloane shudders as she thinks of it.

That leaves eleven others.

Three are now in the hands of the New Republic. Two of those were from admirals willingly surrendering the ship and its people. One was taken forcibly by New Republic forces while it underwent repairs over Kuat.

Five were destroyed outright in battles across the galaxy with the New Republic— the ships were understaffed, underprotected, and on the run. (The Dreadnoughts are home to massive batteries of fleet-killing weapons, yes, but are also slow, unwieldy beasts— they hang there in the sky like bricks, and without adequate protection it is an inevitability that enemy forces could erode the ships until obliteration ensues.)

One was taken by pirates: the Annihilator . Tagge’s old ship. But who controls the Annihilator now? The reports don’t say.

Another, the Arbitrator , made a bad hyperspace calculation to escape pursuing NR ships. It evaporated when it was sucked into a gravity well.

That leaves Palpatine’s own command ship:

The Eclipse.

Records show that it, too, was destroyed by a fleet of New Republic vessels— Ackbar’s own frigate, Home One , firing the ship-killing shot.

Ah, but there’s the catch, and it’s why Sloane is here: The ships dumped data across the stars, transmitting pulses of information to this location. That provides a black-box recording of information so one could discern what exactly happened before a ship was destroyed, captured, or surrendered. All the other tracking data adds up to the known fates of each SSD. Their stories match the data for all of them— except one.

For the Eclipse, the data ends a full day-cycle before the ship was reportedly destroyed. It shows no siege by New Republic forces. It simply... drops off the star map. Gone. Vanished.

Is it possible that the Eclipse is still out there? Could the Ravager not be the last Super Star Destroyer in the naval arsenal?

Given that both "SSD" and "Dreadnought" apply to other ships than Executor class, and given that the Annihilator is in service before the Executor - it's possible that The 13 may include other classes like Mandator.

I honestly hope you are right. I will happily pony out the cash for several "epic scale" Armada ships, I firmly believe that the wait will not be long before we find out.

The Executor is coming, SWM20!

Actually, according to the Aftermath trilogy (which cites imperial data files on Coruscant at the ISB library) all thirteen were Executor class super star destroyers.

The quote in question was a bit vague:

She starts with the Dreadnoughts— the Super Star Destroyers. Thirteen were in service before the revivified Death Star was destroyed above Endor. One of those is the Ravager, the SSD from which Sloane rules the Empire (and which, strictly speaking, is now Gaelan’s command). One of those is the Executor, Vader’s command ship. The Executor was lost that day, plunging into the surface of the Death Star. Taking hundreds of thousands of the best Imperials with it.

Sloane shudders as she thinks of it.

That leaves eleven others.

Three are now in the hands of the New Republic. Two of those were from admirals willingly surrendering the ship and its people. One was taken forcibly by New Republic forces while it underwent repairs over Kuat.

Five were destroyed outright in battles across the galaxy with the New Republic— the ships were understaffed, underprotected, and on the run. (The Dreadnoughts are home to massive batteries of fleet-killing weapons, yes, but are also slow, unwieldy beasts— they hang there in the sky like bricks, and without adequate protection it is an inevitability that enemy forces could erode the ships until obliteration ensues.)

One was taken by pirates: the Annihilator . Tagge’s old ship. But who controls the Annihilator now? The reports don’t say.

Another, the Arbitrator , made a bad hyperspace calculation to escape pursuing NR ships. It evaporated when it was sucked into a gravity well.

That leaves Palpatine’s own command ship:

The Eclipse.

Records show that it, too, was destroyed by a fleet of New Republic vessels— Ackbar’s own frigate, Home One , firing the ship-killing shot.

Ah, but there’s the catch, and it’s why Sloane is here: The ships dumped data across the stars, transmitting pulses of information to this location. That provides a black-box recording of information so one could discern what exactly happened before a ship was destroyed, captured, or surrendered. All the other tracking data adds up to the known fates of each SSD. Their stories match the data for all of them— except one.

For the Eclipse, the data ends a full day-cycle before the ship was reportedly destroyed. It shows no siege by New Republic forces. It simply... drops off the star map. Gone. Vanished.

Is it possible that the Eclipse is still out there? Could the Ravager not be the last Super Star Destroyer in the naval arsenal?

Given that both "SSD" and "Dreadnought" apply to other ships than Executor class, and given that the Annihilator is in service before the Executor - it's possible that The 13 may include other classes like Mandator.

The Annihilator is shown in the Vader comics and i'm fairly certain its an Executor class SSD.

Currently, the Executor class is the only Canon SSD, so unless a book comes out and introduces a new SSD type, we have to assume all thirteen were Executor-class. Which, by naval designations, was a dreadnought with ISDs filling the role of battleships (BB).

Applying early-20th-century naval descriptive nomenclature to the Star Wars ships is not exactly helpful/useful - especially as the capital ships, by and large, fight and are used much more like the old sailing ships during the period of Britain's Empire.

The categorization from that period works a lot better.

The SSDs would be '1st rates'. ISDs and their peers '3rd rates' (1st through 3rd rate ships commonly identified as "line of battle ships"...ergo where we get the term "battle ship" from). The various and sundry smaller Rebel ships (Nebulon-Bs, etc) '5th rates' (frigates), with CR90s and the very-smallest ships being '6th rates' or unrated (sloops, corvettes, etc).

2nd and 4th rate ships would exist in there, too, bridging the gaps between the major classes - but usually smaller runs of ships.

In historical usage, the 3rd rates would be the largest ships you'd commonly see out-and-about..."showing the flag", bombarding ports or running blockade duty...although this would often fall on 4th or 5th rates for the most far-flung and remote areas where trouble is not expected. 1st rates were RIDICULOUSLY expensive ships, always fleet flagships, and practically never left port. Quite overgunned, too - their design meant that their lower gun ports couldn't even be opened in a strong sea. Effectively, they were only deployed when the Admiral was putting to sea to fight a specific battle or hit a specific objective, after which point they'd return to port.

IMHO, that fits the model we see in Star Wars a lot better. (Not to mention, as noted, 'Star Wars' capital ships tend to fight like 'age of sail' ships. No "over the horizon" weapons, here - ships close to side-by-side distances and blast away broadsides into each others' flanks)

The Annihilator is shown in the Vader comics

Plenty of shots of Vader with Tagge on the Annihilator's bridge early on, plenty of shots of the nearly complete Executor - but no shots of the Annihilator from the outside.

And, as mentioned, an old type of Dreadnought - the Mandator-class - got referenced in Rogue One Mission Files.

If "Dreadnought" is roughly synonymous with "Super Star Destroyer" and "more than an dozen of the class are thought to exist" applies to the SSD class not the Executor class, then some can be Mandators.

The canon Annihilator according to Wookiepedia is in fact an Executor Class SSD. I think that is according to the updated Complete Locations although I cannot confirm as I only own the original.

The canon Annihilator according to Wookiepedia is in fact an Executor Class SSD. I think that is according to the updated Complete Locations although I cannot confirm as I only own the original.

The Complete Locations quote:

Many in the Imperial military derided the Death Star project as "Tarkin's Folly," a self-indulgent engineering experiment that wasted credits, raw materials, and personnel. Emperor Palpatine, they argued, should have used those resources to create more dreadnoughts in the same class as the mighty Executor. Both Rebels and Imperials refer to these command ships (as well other classes of massive capital ships) as Super Star Destroyers. Nearly 12 times the size of a standard Star Destroyer, the Executor bristles with thousands of turbolasers and ion cannons, and carries starfighter wings and ground troops sufficient for a planetary invasion. More than a dozen ships of the class are thought to exist , with the roster including the Annihilator, the Ravager, and the Arbitrator. But the true number remains a subject of debate within Alliance Intelligence, as analysts struggle to make sense of Imperial propaganda and penetrate the black budgets designed to hide the extent of Palpatine's secret weapons programmes.

In the context of the Executor still being under construction in the Darth Vader comics whereas the Annihilator is already in service, the possibility that "dozen ships of the class" in reality is of Super Star Destroyers in general, with Palpatine trying to fool people into believing that they are all Executors, should not be ruled out.

Wookieepedia has to go with what's printed at the time. Now we know Mandators exist in the newcanon, we can invoke them as possible Dreadnoughts that flesh out the roster of "more than a dozen" - Palpatine listing them as Executors to hide that the program wasn't as fast-producing as it looked.

Currently, are the only two on-screen canon Super Star Destroyers the Executor and the Ravager (the one Rey flies through in Force Awakesn and seen in Star Wars: Battlefront's Jakku DLC crashing into the sand)?

Are there any other on-screen occurrences of canon SSDs yet? A SSD flies over the map on Sullust in Battlefront but I don't think it falls under canon. The Jakku battle in the game has been the only one explicitly stated to be within canon. And I think there might be a second SSD on the Jakku map that stays up in the atmosphere, but I can't be sure if I'm just spotting the Ravager before it crashes to the planet.

Currently, are the only two on-screen canon Super Star Destroyers the Executor and the Ravager (the one Rey flies through in Force Awakesn and seen in Star Wars: Battlefront's Jakku DLC crashing into the sand)?

As far as I know.

By the way, I think I've cracked the math behind the sliding scale to be fairly accurate.

I need one miniature measured to corroborate my findings across all official models thus released.

Could someone measure the length of the AF2 miniature (down to the mm accuracy)? My only measurement goes from nose to engine bell and I need the total length.

Wookiepedia could very well be wrong but they don't usually name ships by class unless a canon source has verified it as such.