Super Star Destroyer discussion thread
Because that's $250 and unpainted
Its also nothing new to the Discussion, being that Mel pretty well made it
based
on this discussion, like, 40 pages ago...
Not to worry, you will be able to use SWM20 soon.
Not letting it go until they spoil that product.
How large is the C-90 model from X-Wing in comparison to an Armada ISD?
How large is the C-90 model from X-Wing in comparison to an Armada ISD?
CR-90 in X-Wing is about 13 inches (33cm) vs the ISD which is around 8 inches (20cm). So about 1.5 times the size.
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LTJGBeam 's review makes it sound promising to me - not $250's worth of promising, thought. I don't think my community is ready for much in the way of fanbrew. Last year I bought and painted an Immobilizer 418 from Starship Battles, and printed out DA's ruleset for it. Regrettably, my community is(was) mostly focused around the standard game, so - no dice.
I'm hoping that the Corellian Conflict brings more narrative to the game, and thus more room for further alternative styles of play. It's clearly the case that my community is eagerly anticipating the release of CC, so we'll see what happens.
Until then, an unofficial SSD is beyond the pale.
Edited by Mikael HasselsteinOh, this venerable and interminable thread is back!
LTJGBeam 's review makes it sound promising to me - not $250's worth of promising, thought. I don't think my community is ready for much in the way of fanbrew. Last year I bought and painted an Immobilizer 418 from Starship Battles, and printed out DA's ruleset for it. Regrettably, my community is(was) mostly focused around the standard game, so - no dice.
I'm hoping that the Corellian Conflict brings more narrative to the game, and thus more room for further alternative styles of play. It's clearly the case that my community is eagerly anticipating the release of CC, so we'll see what happens.
Until then, an unofficial SSD is beyond the pale.
I think the best time to introduce fan stuff is during the lulls between waves because you get your fill of the new stuff and want something else to do, but it has to be balanced, which is my problem with it. I've seen some crazy upgrades and ships that are clearly unbalanced because they have a lot of dice and very low cost. If a single ship were introduced in a campaign style, it might be different because you only have that 1 crazy ship to deal with.
Hopefully CC will allow your community to be more accepting of fan based material.
Oh, this venerable and interminable thread is back!
LTJGBeam 's review makes it sound promising to me - not $250's worth of promising, thought. I don't think my community is ready for much in the way of fanbrew. Last year I bought and painted an Immobilizer 418 from Starship Battles, and printed out DA's ruleset for it. Regrettably, my community is(was) mostly focused around the standard game, so - no dice.
I'm hoping that the Corellian Conflict brings more narrative to the game, and thus more room for further alternative styles of play. It's clearly the case that my community is eagerly anticipating the release of CC, so we'll see what happens.
Until then, an unofficial SSD is beyond the pale.
I think the best time to introduce fan stuff is during the lulls between waves because you get your fill of the new stuff and want something else to do, but it has to be balanced, which is my problem with it. I've seen some crazy upgrades and ships that are clearly unbalanced because they have a lot of dice and very low cost. If a single ship were introduced in a campaign style, it might be different because you only have that 1 crazy ship to deal with.
Hopefully CC will allow your community to be more accepting of fan based material.
Good points. However, I'm not so sure it's about actual imbalance as perceived imbalance. Most people trust FFG to put out balanced product. I bold and italicize 'most', because we all know about the bleats of 'OP!' here on the forums. However, Fan-based material doesn't enjoy that trust (for frequently good reasons).
for my sake, when you're going down the road of narrative styles of play, I think you have to take it for granted that perfectly-balanced play goes out the window. The enjoyment comes less from the competitiveness than from collaborating on a common story. Sure, you're still competing, but you shouldn't expect the same level playing fields as you get in standard/tournament-style play.
I am Pro-SSD, and liken it to X-Wing Epic. There is One thing that the Cap ships added to X-Wing that I wonder if should also happen here: Increased fire range.
How? New dice.
Imagine 1 or 2 new dice types being added to the Black (Short Range), Blue (Medium Range, and Red (Long Range); Green (Extended Range) and/or Yellow (Maximum Range).
These would allow the SSD to fire on enemy ships before they can get into range... That's scary. And they would add to the dice pool as the ships get closer.
Maybe use a bigger die like a d10 or d12 so it can have a range of different faces, including lots of blanks.
Maybe a new face that is like a super crit that hands out fleet wide buffs or debuffs.
I am Pro-SSD, and liken it to X-Wing Epic. There is One thing that the Cap ships added to X-Wing that I wonder if should also happen here: Increased fire range.
How? New dice.
Imagine 1 or 2 new dice types being added to the Black (Short Range), Blue (Medium Range, and Red (Long Range); Green (Extended Range) and/or Yellow (Maximum Range).
These would allow the SSD to fire on enemy ships before they can get into range... That's scary. And they would add to the dice pool as the ships get closer.
Maybe use a bigger die like a d10 or d12 so it can have a range of different faces, including lots of blanks.
Maybe a new face that is like a super crit that hands out fleet wide buffs or debuffs.
I think FFG owns about 3-trillion 8 sided dice. You're not going to see them adding to their overhead by changing the die faces included in their games. Yellow dice could be a neat idea, striking anywhere on the table with very reduced effectivness. (1/2 blanks) Given the size of the model, though, and potentially it's firing arcs, I'm not sure if it would actually need a whole new range bracket though. It's hull zone volume might be big enough to cover that.
But ultimately, I think you're coming at it from the wrong angle. The baseline is not how to make the SSD more powerful and still have it be playable. That's easy to do. I think the challenge is how to make it less powerful than it might otherwise intuitively require, and still have it be playable.
The RPGs use 12 siders. Not to great a leap for them to make some for Armada.
I'm in the camp that thinks it should be the size of the x-wing CR-90 or Raider. Anything larger would be prohibitively expensive and unwieldy.
I'm just thinking about the number of dice to roll. Several fan made versions have players chucking 20+ dice. This way you increase the threat by giving it greater range instead of buckets of dice.
So far I like the SSD. Played several solo games to test the ship and found that it definately needs small friends. Anything in it's stern area can cause some significant damage. But place and ISD with a good fighter and bomber escort the rebels will think twice. Mine is designed around Darth Vaders initial Death Squadron. Combine the SSD with the 5 ISD and Victory SD , plus all the fighter/escort/ bomber squadrons and nothing should even survive when trying to get behind it. The SSD alone carried 144 figter/bombers, or 12 squadrons. plus all the storm trooper transport squadrons, gunship, and shuttles you have a good force. Unfortunatly most people play the tournament way and if that is good for them so be it. I like huge games.
SWM20 still not announced...
SSD & Piett are coming.
I have foreseen it!
I like the idea of the new dice to represent weapons with an even longer range. I'd hope that they would include enough in the expansion for it though, and it would open up a huge only upgrade that allowed you to say switch the longer range dice for something else, most likely red dice, when they were closer. Or simply having the ship trading its potential long range damage for more reliable damage but restricting it to the same range as every other ship in the game.
SWM20 still not announced...
SSD & Piett are coming.
I have foreseen it!
SWM09 and SWM10 is missing too
SWM20 still not announced...
SSD & Piett are coming.
I have foreseen it!
SWM09 and SWM10 is missing too
Dice and maneuver tool packs.
SWM20 still not announced...
SSD & Piett are coming.
I have foreseen it!
SWM09 and SWM10 is missing too
Dice and maneuver tool packs.
Correct, SWM20 is the only currently unallocated skew sandwiched in before the wave 5 skews. I believe it is the SSD, but would not be surprised if it were a replacement range ruler. I'm still predicting the SSD, just so I can be "That Guy", and I really want an official version! There is no other reason to hold off on Piett this long, unless he comes in the SSD. Seriously, dude has more screen time than all but Vader, Tarkin & the Emperor asfar as imps go. The Emperor is a special case, and I can see as a card in they are saving for a special ship, but I can see the SSD having both.
SWM20 still not announced...
SSD & Piett are coming.
I have foreseen it!
SWM09 and SWM10 is missing too
Dice and maneuver tool packs.
Correct, SWM20 is the only currently unallocated skew sandwiched in before the wave 5 skews. I believe it is the SSD, but would not be surprised if it were a replacement range ruler. I'm still predicting the SSD, just so I can be "That Guy", and I really want an official version! There is no other reason to hold off on Piett this long, unless he comes in the SSD. Seriously, dude has more screen time than all but Vader, Tarkin & the Emperor asfar as imps go. The Emperor is a special case, and I can see as a card in they are saving for a special ship, but I can see the SSD having both.
Not to shoot down replacement rulers or anything, but they seem unlikely considering ffg should have thought about it when they first released maneuver tool and dice packs. ffg are most likely not inclined to release cardboard on its own(looks cheap?), and acrylics are reserved for tournaments so far, so probs no, IMO.
(after all, if they did it then they would also have to do it for X-wing)
Edited by MuelmuelShe's a beauty. I used Mel's' SSD as the basis for my INEXORABLE CLASS SSD which is a 4.8 KM SSD. Look at page 52-53 for the discussion of her design.
A few pictures so you don't have to go back to 52-53...
I think it is the width more than the length which appears to be off... If it was say 0-5-% longer, but 25-35% wider, that would make it feel much bigger like a true SSD.
This thing is "fat"
SSD wouldn't fit on the table, so big it is. And SSD alone would be able to endure against more than 2 Calamaris or more than 2 Star Destroyers and have tons of couples upgrades to make it expensive and you would have to roll more than 12 dices per attack. I think that is why FFG won't release this, it could overpower everything and be played alone without the help of addictional ships.
My SSD which I got from Mel's Miniatures looks very fine on the table and it's gameable at least from the game that I used it in recently.
And even if FFG doesn't do a SSD for myself I got one and that's all that matters.
One other thing is that I can use the SSD for either side one game it can be Imperial and another game it can be.
It's too bad that I can't get another SSD but can't afford it.
Michael
SWM20 still not announced...
SSD & Piett are coming.
I have foreseen it!
SWM09 and SWM10 is missing too
Dice and maneuver tool packs.
I knew, I overlooked something
SWM20 approaches!
Did you guys notice that there are TWO SSDs in the TIE Defender picture?