Does it include the death star 2?

Some assembly required, shield generator sold separately. Power converters not included.

I figured that was a given, so what he said.

Does it include the death star 2?

Some assembly required, shield generator sold separately. Power converters not included.

But, will it be to scale?

Hm. Some thoughts after reading the discussions here. Like many of you I have probably absorbed more SW lore than what might be considered strictly healthy .

I'm with Beatty on the tangent that reducing an SSD to anything merely twice the size of an ISD would leave the inclusion of the ship a dissapointment. I think we're all in agreement with a "sliding scale" type approach, its just a matter of how much and the "feel" of the model in relation to others.

NewTroski had some good ideas. After reading and thinking a lot, setting up some "silhouettes" of paper and comparing, I'd say there is a magical point between the 60-70cm line, where the SSD starts looking "right". How would they pull that off though? As someone said, the movement stick will present a problem, so will transport.

Split the model in two. Have those ingenious nubs that click in and keep it together, and have it on two bases , some way apart. Also, elevate it above other models on some extra sturdy supports (excellent suggestion NewTroski).

Alternatively, two bases and no split might do it, unsure really.

This would let you get two side arcs on each side, a good way to represent the firepower of the thing. Despite the SSD's insane -on paper- combat power, it was nearly never at full power. The Empire, though vast, was often still short on resources much like the Germans in ww2, the squadron strengths of even the ISDs were rarely completely full. That might let you fit its combat capability into the game and still make it very, very strong but not completely unstoppable.

I hear the STAW team at Wizkids is going to manufacture the SSDD model. Its going to be about an inch and a half long and dipped in grey paint...

The viscount, which is basically a massive MC80.

Viscount was 3000 meters long

STD Executor was 19000 meters long

the Viscount was 7800m long. the Exstar's have ranged from 8000m to the current 19,000m.

I wasn't going to go through 6 pages to see if anyone had posted this before so here goes.....

A set of scale drawings from the star wars universe. Check out the executor link for starters

http://wolfsshipyard.com/starwars_Imp.htm

Can't see how you manage to fit the SSD into the game even with a sliding scale.

Maybe everyone that wants an SSD has to wait for the next game in the series, where SSD's are the individual ships and the multi-ship stands are Star destroyers instead of fighters. And if anyone from FFG reads this, you so can't do this as my wallet is already taking the strain from more of your games.

I wasn't going to go through 6 pages to see if anyone had posted this before so here goes.....

Ha ha, I think you should have, just to give our poor forum a break from the topic. Scale has been disused ad nausium... Nice pictures though! If I remember correctly, check pages 3-4 of this thread for a good summary of that particular portion of the discussion. Based on your comments tou might also be interested in the Battle of Endor set discussion starting in post 97 of this thread

I was getting worried that the forum might implode or something if SSD talk wasn't near the top

Some good points have been made for both sides. I still think that it's possible. We'll just have to wait at this point, at least until we see the ISD in relation to the VSD... then the speculation can begin anew!

Seems fair, but can we leave the topic alone for that long?

I wasn't going to go through 6 pages to see if anyone had posted this before so here goes.....

Ha ha, I think you should have, just to give our poor forum a break from the topic. Scale has been disused ad nausium... Nice pictures though! If I remember correctly, check pages 3-4 of this thread for a good summary of that particular portion of the discussion. Based on your comments tou might also be interested in the Battle of Endor set discussion starting in post 97 of this thread

:-) it wasn't so much whether there had been a scale discussion, it was had anyone actually posted the wolfe shipyard scale drawings. A picture worth a thousand words, or in this case a thousand more pages of SSD discussion. Personally glad it's become an SSD discussion on the Armada forums rather than a Star Destroyer discussion on the X wing forum :-)

Besides if we are going to get an SSD it should be the Imperium class from that list. Dont' want an SSD just thought I'd give the pot another stir :-)

Dont' want an SSD just thought I'd give the pot another stir :-)

You, sir, qualify for the title of true evil

I don't remember where I read it, but the VSD is described as on a medium sized base. I have seen pictures of a ISD and it is on the same sized base. I think that pretty much guarantees a SSD for this game. I also saw a picture with a star destroyer next to an X-wing Falcon model. Thought the Star Destroyer is longer they are roughly the same size. That being said, I think we could get a really satisfying SSD that came out about the same size as a rebel transport or even a corvette.

I am actually on the side of those (if there are any) who would be okay with a SSD as little as twice as long as a ISD. I have one from the old Wizards game and it is Twice as long as the Star Destroyer from the same game. It feels huge. Remember if you double one dimension, you quadruple the an area and multiply a volume by 8.

I know it doesn't match the lore (or even the movies) But I am just worried that a ship that is too big will just not maneuver well in the game. I can just imagine the SSD flipping its tail way out as you try to do a 1 notch turn.

Hrathen you are wrong. This has been proven on multiple threads on this forum. The ISD is on a large base.

Anybody here read the Codex Alera? Good series that. All of the "you are wrong" going on around here lately has me thinking of the Marat, who had no comprehension of the concept of being "wrong", but certainly reacted colorfully to being "mistaken".

I don't remember where I read it, but the VSD is described as on a medium sized base. I have seen pictures of a ISD and it is on the same sized base. I think that pretty much guarantees a SSD for this game. I also saw a picture with a star destroyer next to an X-wing Falcon model. Thought the Star Destroyer is longer they are roughly the same size. That being said, I think we could get a really satisfying SSD that came out about the same size as a rebel transport or even a corvette.

I am actually on the side of those (if there are any) who would be okay with a SSD as little as twice as long as a ISD. I have one from the old Wizards game and it is Twice as long as the Star Destroyer from the same game. It feels huge. Remember if you double one dimension, you quadruple the an area and multiply a volume by 8.

I know it doesn't match the lore (or even the movies) But I am just worried that a ship that is too big will just not maneuver well in the game. I can just imagine the SSD flipping its tail way out as you try to do a 1 notch turn.

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/138391-isd-base-size/

The ISD is a large base ship - the model itself also extends well beyond the large base, with an estimated length of about 24cm long.

Did you see the new picture in the ISD thread Maverick? (ISD next to VSD) I'll admit, my previous estimate of 15cm is too low, but I still think 24cm is a bit high. I used paint.net and drew some lines, based on the reported VSD length of 13cm I got an estimate of 19.5cm for the ISD.

To the problem of the "tail-whip": What if the notch for attaching the maneuver tool was in the middle of the base instead of the leading edge? Some turns might be restricted from having the base in the way, but that could represent the lumbering nature of the huge ships.

Did you see the new picture in the ISD thread Maverick? (ISD next to VSD) I'll admit, my previous estimate of 15cm is too low, but I still think 24cm is a bit high. I used paint.net and drew some lines, based on the reported VSD length of 13cm I got an estimate of 19.5cm for the ISD.

To the problem of the "tail-whip": What if the notch for attaching the maneuver tool was in the middle of the base instead of the leading edge? Some turns might be restricted from having the base in the way, but that could represent the lumbering nature of the huge ships.

That's basically what it looks like is happening with the ISD anyway. My thought on restricted movement is that there really is no such thing. If you have to move it to the first segment, then move the maneuvering tool to the other side and go from the first distance to the second, that shouldn't in any way effect where it would have ended up if the base had not obstructed moving it in one go.

Would you expect a SSD to be able to turn in the "limited space" of a 3x6 table? In regards to cost/size. Why not just have only the top half of the SSD modeled, the attach it directly to a base (no stand elevation)? That should reduce model volume and cost.

Did you see the new picture in the ISD thread Maverick? (ISD next to VSD) I'll admit, my previous estimate of 15cm is too low, but I still think 24cm is a bit high. I used paint.net and drew some lines, based on the reported VSD length of 13cm I got an estimate of 19.5cm for the ISD.

To the problem of the "tail-whip": What if the notch for attaching the maneuver tool was in the middle of the base instead of the leading edge? Some turns might be restricted from having the base in the way, but that could represent the lumbering nature of the huge ships.

I did see that, I have only had a quick look at it, but from that angle it would support the idea that the ISD is closer to 20cm (maybe 21.5 by my reckoning, but upto 23cm perhaps) than 25. However, it is only one picture as opposed to the two different pictures that I took the original measurements off. The Victory in that photo is slightly closer than the ISD, so that will make it look slightly larger then a side by side comparison would.

Even if it is just over 20cm though, Its still a pretty large ship at that.

FFG'll do it if they can make it in a way they're happy with that plays well.

They could do an Allegiance-class SSD (essentially a bigger badder ISD) for Armada, but considering an Executor-class is 10x the size (length-wise, its mass is much more than a simple 10x increase) of an ISD, with 10x the firepower, it would have to have a 100 dice attack and cost 1000pts all by itself to be in scale at all.

A minimized version of the Executor which is simply worth 3 ISDs they might do, although it doesn't do the might of the Executor justice.

Yeah I agree the Allegiance Class is at least doable in relative scale terms for Armada

Being at the length of 2.2 KM it wouldn't be too big for FFG to build and would still be useable for games.

I Don't think you could get any bigger then that for the game, as it would simply be too big to play on the the board and would cost to much to purchase.

Did you see the new picture in the ISD thread Maverick? (ISD next to VSD) I'll admit, my previous estimate of 15cm is too low, but I still think 24cm is a bit high. I used paint.net and drew some lines, based on the reported VSD length of 13cm I got an estimate of 19.5cm for the ISD.

To the problem of the "tail-whip": What if the notch for attaching the maneuver tool was in the middle of the base instead of the leading edge? Some turns might be restricted from having the base in the way, but that could represent the lumbering nature of the huge ships.

Where is this new picture?

The Allegiance is just a Star Destroyer scaled up.

If anyone wants a SSD here's a bit of a suggestion.

Wait till the raider comes out and use that. Not sure how it scales compares to an Armada star destroyer and there would be problems with the flight stand. But there are plenty of people on the forum who produce ship cards for X wing. So maybe they could have a go at producing the artwork (cards etc) for a Raider/SSD.