The executor would basically make fleet tactics moot if they added it as a proper model ship. Most likely will appear as cardboard or apart of a campaign in a future expansion.
Super Star Destroyer discussion thread
Super Star Destroyers are absolutely coming. When I look at my Interdictor, and see how it is virtually the same size as the Liberty, a ship 3x it's size, I can't get hung up on scale anymore.
Super Star Destroyers are absolutely coming. When I look at my Interdictor, and see how it is virtually the same size as the Liberty, a ship 3x it's size, I can't get hung up on scale anymore.
You're basing that off the old Immobilizer 418 Interdictor?
or the New, Larger, Actual Interdictor from Star Wars Rebels, that this New Armada Interdictor is representing?
Super Star Destroyers are absolutely coming. When I look at my Interdictor, and see how it is virtually the same size as the Liberty, a ship 3x it's size, I can't get hung up on scale anymore.
And for reference an ISD II has 60 Turbolasers. Big difference going from 60 to 2000.
Edited by BeattySuper Star Destroyers are absolutely coming. When I look at my Interdictor, and see how it is virtually the same size as the Liberty, a ship 3x it's size, I can't get hung up on scale anymore.
You're basing that off the old Immobilizer 418 Interdictor?
or the New, Larger, Actual Interdictor from Star Wars Rebels, that this New Armada Interdictor is representing?
You're right, this is not the 418.
Still, it's bizarre that it would be on a medium base, with the Liberty being on a large base, with the models essentially being the same size.
Super Star Destroyers are absolutely coming. When I look at my Interdictor, and see how it is virtually the same size as the Liberty, a ship 3x it's size, I can't get hung up on scale anymore.
You're basing that off the old Immobilizer 418 Interdictor?
or the New, Larger, Actual Interdictor from Star Wars Rebels, that this New Armada Interdictor is representing?
You're right, this is not the 418.
Still, it's bizarre that it would be on a medium base, with the Liberty being on a large base, with the models essentially being the same size.
Well, I'm guessing that portion of it was Rules related... Both are very close to the Borderline that they could be either... So the Liberty was Large as with the other MC80 (sicne they're both MC80s)... And for a Rules Compromise, the 'dictor got Medium, because Large was too much of a Tractor Beam / Motti Shenanigan?
I don't know.
But even then, being on the borderline between sizes was nothing compared to the "Three times the size" that was being claimed.
I like a scale that works and I don't care about the quibbling bits. The theoretical Armada Scale is whatever the Armada "Scale" wants. I don't think we've ever got any sort of confirmation on how big that new Interdictor is beyond whatever the fans have hashed out by trying to compare screenshots: which amounts to 'larger than big-ish, but certainly not big enough to be huge.'
For me, meh. An X-wing is as much to a Star Destroyer as a Star Destroyer is to a Super Star Destroyer: they're magnitudes different from one another, and thus bound to require some degree of abstraction if people want them to work within the boundaries of the same system. And thus, some people don't , and won't , and that's okay ~grumbles~. But until we get something more concrete from FFG, it is a pointlessly hostile academic argument between the Purists/Killjoys and the Apologists/infidels.
Anyone got any more gasoline to pour on the fire? I'm sure we can make it to 100 pages eventually.
Yes I'm using the Immobilizer 418's data, but it physicially looks the same. the wookipedia entry for that matches up to the Interdictor we see in rebels, as best I can tell. Where as if you look up a straight up Interdictor, it's a completely different ship, much closer to an ISD than the Interdictor we now have.
Either way it just LOOKS off. It Looks like it should be an inch and a half shorter than it is. Should be slightly smaller than the Vic. I'm not complaining though, because it DOES look awesome... I just would like the bigger ships to be even bigger. I want big huge nasty sexy models.
I mostly just want models that look awesome. I'm less concerned with scale - As long as it isn't horribly off...
I'd be ok with an SSD as long as it gave the feeling of Ominous Doom .
Again we're not talking about a small scale change, we're talking about less than 20%, probably closer to 10% of its actual scale from the next ship its size. That is a Huge difference and did you hear the fire power it had? It can take on Large Battle Fleets singlehandedly with its 2000 turbo lasers, ion cannons and torpedoes. We're talking about a huge change. Massive change. Not just a slight scale change between the CR-90 and the GSD. Also the Interdictor you're referencing is the one from the EU, which doesn't exist anymore, and the one that FFG released is from Rebels and is very close to the scale with the ISD.Super Star Destroyers are absolutely coming. When I look at my Interdictor, and see how it is virtually the same size as the Liberty, a ship 3x it's size, I can't get hung up on scale anymore.
And for reference an ISD II has 60 Turbolasers. Big difference going from 60 to 2000.
You get game balance by figuring out how many guns it can bring to bear on a CR90. Considering the size, not many (think ISD shooting an X-Wing). I understand the love of the SSD and that awe inspiring lore around it but fleets didn't explode from heart attacks within seconds of a battle starting.
I have the Sithplanet SSD (currently undergoing painting in the Imperial Shipyards). It weighs in at 38" long or about 5 x the size of the FFG ISD. It looks about right for sliding scale purposes, but anything less would need to be an SSD variant to get away with scale.
Stats wise.
Hull: 24
Shields F6 LS6 RS6 R5
Firepower Front 5R, 4B, 5Bk Sides 4R, 2B, 4Bk Rear 2R, 1B, 2Bk
Command 4
Squadron 6
Engineering 8
Speed 1 with 1 yaw
Defense Tokens 2 x Brace, 1 x redirect, 1 x Contain
Anti-squadron 1B, 1Bk
Yes I'm using the Immobilizer 418's data, but it physicially looks the same. the wookipedia entry for that matches up to the Interdictor we see in rebels, as best I can tell. Where as if you look up a straight up Interdictor, it's a completely different ship, much closer to an ISD than the Interdictor we now have.
Either way it just LOOKS off. It Looks like it should be an inch and a half shorter than it is. Should be slightly smaller than the Vic. I'm not complaining though, because it DOES look awesome... I just would like the bigger ships to be even bigger. I want big huge nasty sexy models.
Well, when you go by the Rebels Team, who designed and drew it, they stated, right out of the door:
"This is bigger than the old Immobilizer. Much closer to a Star Destroyer. Something Brand New ."
Yes I'm using the Immobilizer 418's data, but it physicially looks the same.
Not exactly. Engine block looks different, belly hangar looks larger - centerline on an Immobilizer doesn't have that trench.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Interdictor
Check the Concept Art gallery and the differences stick out:
http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/star-wars-rebels/stealth-strike-concept-art-gallery
I guess the point that is being missed again is that if there is a sliding scale there would be slight changes to the size and power, not huge differences. The ISD has 8 dice at medium range, now by canon the SSD would use 264 dice at medium range. Even bringing the down to 12 dice, which could one shot most ships in the game, would not be considered a "sliding scale" at all. It would be something completely different. Now for size again sliding scale would be a change of size by maybe 25% not the 80% plus to even make the thing playable. The Executor would be as long as the table if it were to canon, the 6' length not the 3', but bringing it down to 24" is still way way too big to be playable. (Its front fire arc would reach the other end of the table with its rear touching the rear of your deployment area.)
What you guys are suggesting is making it far smaller and far less powerful which is not a "sliding scale" in reality but just a made up size and power just to have it fit in the game. Yes the CR90 is bigger than it should be, but it is still less than double its original size, the SSD would be the most out of scale ship in the game by a long long ways.
My view is that a new-scale game would work better.
The simplest approach would be to basically substitute ship for ship on a one-to-one basis and use the Armada rules unchanged.
In this case, the Executor would be represented using the rules for the Victory - and the Imperial-class (or rather, 3 imperial-classes) using the rules for a starfighter squadron.
This allows the game to include ships even bigger (by volume) and harder-hitting than the Executor). Like the Eclipse, Sovereign, and Assertor (though the Sovereign may be treading on the Assertor's niche, so might be left out).
HA! This thread has a gained a length proportionate to a SSD!
(but a far longer on-screen lifespan)
I guess the point that is being missed again is that if there is a sliding scale there would be slight changes to the size and power, not huge differences. The ISD has 8 dice at medium range, now by canon the SSD would use 264 dice at medium range. Even bringing the down to 12 dice, which could one shot most ships in the game, would not be considered a "sliding scale" at all. It would be something completely different. Now for size again sliding scale would be a change of size by maybe 25% not the 80% plus to even make the thing playable. The Executor would be as long as the table if it were to canon, the 6' length not the 3', but bringing it down to 24" is still way way too big to be playable. (Its front fire arc would reach the other end of the table with its rear touching the rear of your deployment area.)
What you guys are suggesting is making it far smaller and far less powerful which is not a "sliding scale" in reality but just a made up size and power just to have it fit in the game. Yes the CR90 is bigger than it should be, but it is still less than double its original size, the SSD would be the most out of scale ship in the game by a long long ways.
This is a game where a cr90 has more firepower than the side arc of an isd...so your argument is invalid.
I guess the point that is being missed again is that if there is a sliding scale there would be slight changes to the size and power, not huge differences. The ISD has 8 dice at medium range, now by canon the SSD would use 264 dice at medium range. Even bringing the down to 12 dice, which could one shot most ships in the game, would not be considered a "sliding scale" at all. It would be something completely different. Now for size again sliding scale would be a change of size by maybe 25% not the 80% plus to even make the thing playable. The Executor would be as long as the table if it were to canon, the 6' length not the 3', but bringing it down to 24" is still way way too big to be playable. (Its front fire arc would reach the other end of the table with its rear touching the rear of your deployment area.)
What you guys are suggesting is making it far smaller and far less powerful which is not a "sliding scale" in reality but just a made up size and power just to have it fit in the game. Yes the CR90 is bigger than it should be, but it is still less than double its original size, the SSD would be the most out of scale ship in the game by a long long ways.
This is a game where a cr90 has more firepower than the side arc of an isd...so your argument is invalid.
And that very fact is SO annoying.....
I guess the point that is being missed again is that if there is a sliding scale there would be slight changes to the size and power, not huge differences. The ISD has 8 dice at medium range, now by canon the SSD would use 264 dice at medium range. Even bringing the down to 12 dice, which could one shot most ships in the game, would not be considered a "sliding scale" at all. It would be something completely different. Now for size again sliding scale would be a change of size by maybe 25% not the 80% plus to even make the thing playable. The Executor would be as long as the table if it were to canon, the 6' length not the 3', but bringing it down to 24" is still way way too big to be playable. (Its front fire arc would reach the other end of the table with its rear touching the rear of your deployment area.)
What you guys are suggesting is making it far smaller and far less powerful which is not a "sliding scale" in reality but just a made up size and power just to have it fit in the game. Yes the CR90 is bigger than it should be, but it is still less than double its original size, the SSD would be the most out of scale ship in the game by a long long ways.
This is a game where a cr90 has more firepower than the side arc of an isd...so your argument is invalid.
Less firepower by 1 die. Remember that the Front arc is the combination of the side arcs usually and the side arcs are individual zones that cant get assistance.
Some ships like the Assault Frigate and the MC80 Command cant get all of their weapons to bear on the front which is why they have weaker shots there.
A ship can be hit by both a side arc and a front arc at the same time though.
Less firepower by 1 die. Remember that the Front arc is the combination of the side arcs usually and the side arcs are individual zones that cant get assistance.I guess the point that is being missed again is that if there is a sliding scale there would be slight changes to the size and power, not huge differences. The ISD has 8 dice at medium range, now by canon the SSD would use 264 dice at medium range. Even bringing the down to 12 dice, which could one shot most ships in the game, would not be considered a "sliding scale" at all. It would be something completely different. Now for size again sliding scale would be a change of size by maybe 25% not the 80% plus to even make the thing playable. The Executor would be as long as the table if it were to canon, the 6' length not the 3', but bringing it down to 24" is still way way too big to be playable. (Its front fire arc would reach the other end of the table with its rear touching the rear of your deployment area.)
What you guys are suggesting is making it far smaller and far less powerful which is not a "sliding scale" in reality but just a made up size and power just to have it fit in the game. Yes the CR90 is bigger than it should be, but it is still less than double its original size, the SSD would be the most out of scale ship in the game by a long long ways.
This is a game where a cr90 has more firepower than the side arc of an isd...so your argument is invalid.
Some ships like the Assault Frigate and the MC80 Command cant get all of their weapons to bear on the front which is why they have weaker shots there.
You know what I meant: TRC double arc...
SSD games could play down the table instead of across it - with ships setting up at opposite ends.
I guess the point that is being missed again is that if there is a sliding scale there would be slight changes to the size and power, not huge differences. The ISD has 8 dice at medium range, now by canon the SSD would use 264 dice at medium range. Even bringing the down to 12 dice, which could one shot most ships in the game, would not be considered a "sliding scale" at all. It would be something completely different. Now for size again sliding scale would be a change of size by maybe 25% not the 80% plus to even make the thing playable. The Executor would be as long as the table if it were to canon, the 6' length not the 3', but bringing it down to 24" is still way way too big to be playable. (Its front fire arc would reach the other end of the table with its rear touching the rear of your deployment area.)
What you guys are suggesting is making it far smaller and far less powerful which is not a "sliding scale" in reality but just a made up size and power just to have it fit in the game. Yes the CR90 is bigger than it should be, but it is still less than double its original size, the SSD would be the most out of scale ship in the game by a long long ways.
This is a game where a cr90 has more firepower than the side arc of an isd...so your argument is invalid.
Seriously, you want to ignore my point, go for it. I am explaining why you won't see the Executor, but ignore it and keep dreaming kid. It's good to have hope, even if it is a stupid one.
Good day.
Well then I feel glad I'm knowing we will never see the Executor, was feeling bad before but you showed I shouldn't give two $&@#s about that.I guess the point that is being missed again is that if there is a sliding scale there would be slight changes to the size and power, not huge differences. The ISD has 8 dice at medium range, now by canon the SSD would use 264 dice at medium range. Even bringing the down to 12 dice, which could one shot most ships in the game, would not be considered a "sliding scale" at all. It would be something completely different. Now for size again sliding scale would be a change of size by maybe 25% not the 80% plus to even make the thing playable. The Executor would be as long as the table if it were to canon, the 6' length not the 3', but bringing it down to 24" is still way way too big to be playable. (Its front fire arc would reach the other end of the table with its rear touching the rear of your deployment area.)
What you guys are suggesting is making it far smaller and far less powerful which is not a "sliding scale" in reality but just a made up size and power just to have it fit in the game. Yes the CR90 is bigger than it should be, but it is still less than double its original size, the SSD would be the most out of scale ship in the game by a long long ways.
This is a game where a cr90 has more firepower than the side arc of an isd...so your argument is invalid.
Seriously, you want to ignore my point, go for it. I am explaining why you won't see the Executor, but ignore it and keep dreaming kid. It's good to have hope, even if it is a stupid one.
Good day.
And this is why this is my favorite thread.
Thanks for making my day.
Well then I feel glad I'm knowing we will never see the Executor, was feeling bad before but you showed I shouldn't give two $&@#s about that.
I guess the point that is being missed again is that if there is a sliding scale there would be slight changes to the size and power, not huge differences. The ISD has 8 dice at medium range, now by canon the SSD would use 264 dice at medium range. Even bringing the down to 12 dice, which could one shot most ships in the game, would not be considered a "sliding scale" at all. It would be something completely different. Now for size again sliding scale would be a change of size by maybe 25% not the 80% plus to even make the thing playable. The Executor would be as long as the table if it were to canon, the 6' length not the 3', but bringing it down to 24" is still way way too big to be playable. (Its front fire arc would reach the other end of the table with its rear touching the rear of your deployment area.)
What you guys are suggesting is making it far smaller and far less powerful which is not a "sliding scale" in reality but just a made up size and power just to have it fit in the game. Yes the CR90 is bigger than it should be, but it is still less than double its original size, the SSD would be the most out of scale ship in the game by a long long ways.
This is a game where a cr90 has more firepower than the side arc of an isd...so your argument is invalid.
Seriously, you want to ignore my point, go for it. I am explaining why you won't see the Executor, but ignore it and keep dreaming kid. It's good to have hope, even if it is a stupid one.
Good day.
And this is why this is my favorite thread.
Thanks for making my day.
So when the SSD arriving in Vassal?
*edit* Unless it's already in Vassal and I have just not yet discovered it!
Edited by BrobaFett