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Super Star Destroyer discussion thread
This movie better be good.
Wont fit on the table? It IS the table!
EDIT: Uh, wow. I didn't realize this thread was 33 pages long. I just saw the topic and posted...
Um.
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Anyhow to get back on topic, what about the Bellator -class dreadnought as the Empire's 'epic' ship. While its not the Executor (and I love the Executor, best looking ship ever), it's 'only' 7.2km long making it still huge (4.5 times an ISD) but not as awkward as the Executor:
For the Rebels the Bulwark-class Battlecruiser would work well as their epic ship, being 2.5 km long but much taller than the Bellator, giving it roughly the same mass.
Do they have a Stormtrooper-C3PO?
it's 'only' 7.2km long making it still huge (4.5 times an ISD) but not as awkward as the Executor:
You could make such a thing about 12-14in long, not really to scale, but fitting in the sliding scale and have it look ok on the table.
But I don't think FFG will do it myself. I don't think X-Wing Epic sells that well, and I would be surprised if they make a epic version of Armada myself. I also don't think they could fit anything larger than a ISD in the current rule set/point limits.
Edited by VanorDMYou could make such a thing about 12-14in long, not really to scale, but fitting in the sliding scale and have it look ok on the table.But I don't think FFG will do it myself. I don't think X-Wing Epic sells that well, and I would be surprised if they make a epic version of Armada myself. I also don't think they could fit anything larger than a ISD in the current rule set/point limits.it's 'only' 7.2km long making it still huge (4.5 times an ISD) but not as awkward as the Executor:
The difference between a foot long CR90 and a 2 foot long SSD is that more people who don't even play will buy it just to have a SSD model to put on the shelf.
Yes, such an inclusion in Armada will require a quality epic rules set, but there is no reason it can't be done. 24 glorious inches of SSD, that is all I ask. (Cue evil laugh.)
You could make such a thing about 12-14in long, not really to scale, but fitting in the sliding scale and have it look ok on the table.But I don't think FFG will do it myself. I don't think X-Wing Epic sells that well, and I would be surprised if they make a epic version of Armada myself. I also don't think they could fit anything larger than a ISD in the current rule set/point limits.it's 'only' 7.2km long making it still huge (4.5 times an ISD) but not as awkward as the Executor:
The difference between a foot long CR90 and a 2 foot long SSD is that more people who don't even play will buy it just to have a SSD model to put on the shelf.
Yes, such an inclusion in Armada will require a quality epic rules set, but there is no reason it can't be done. 24 glorious inches of SSD, that is all I ask. (Cue evil laugh.)
Easy, just paint the floor black, then use tape measures and protractors instead of the range ruler and movement tool.
Easy, just paint the floor black, then use tape measures and protractors instead of the range ruler and movement tool.You could make such a thing about 12-14in long, not really to scale, but fitting in the sliding scale and have it look ok on the table.But I don't think FFG will do it myself. I don't think X-Wing Epic sells that well, and I would be surprised if they make a epic version of Armada myself. I also don't think they could fit anything larger than a ISD in the current rule set/point limits.it's 'only' 7.2km long making it still huge (4.5 times an ISD) but not as awkward as the Executor:
The difference between a foot long CR90 and a 2 foot long SSD is that more people who don't even play will buy it just to have a SSD model to put on the shelf.
Yes, such an inclusion in Armada will require a quality epic rules set, but there is no reason it can't be done. 24 glorious inches of SSD, that is all I ask. (Cue evil laugh.)
Far easier to change the size/shape of the deployment zones, and use the same tools as the rest of the game for epic play
Must...keep thread...alive...
I remember when the Executor was a mere 8 km long. Good times.
Then someone waved a magic want and it became almost twice as long.
That was weird.
But I'm doing better now.
I think the problems with the SSD go far beyond mere scale. It would be either unbreably slow or impossibly fast. The armament would either be a shadow of a combined fleet, or way over the top to the point of absurdity. The entire game would have to increase the points cost to double of more the current 400 point limit. And worst of all, it would have to come with rules for Rebels to use it unless some secret new Rebel superweapon is hiding in the wings for The Force Awakens. Could it be taken out by a lone A-Wing? And then you'd need to decide on upgrades, and let me tell you they're not a fun list to comprehend. Whoever was chosen as the relevant Admiral would be extremely powerful and become an instant must-buy for all players of Imperials (maybe even Rebels).
Basically, a very cool looking headache for the game.
I'd say if you want to play a 1000 point game, just substitute in an X-Wing scale Raider and give it a statline. Do some mods and have some fun with a fully narrative driven campaign centerpiece. Were I FFG, I would be hesitant to even provide rules, just a model.
None of the Armada models scale.
So a super would need a new huge base (4 Motti points?), but it need not be all that much bigger. Slightly stronger shields than an ISD (5/4/4/3), and lots of hull (14).
Something like 6 red, 6 blue out the front, 4 red 4 blue to the sides, etc. 2 blue anti-fighter.
Make it speed 2, with 1 click at 2nd joint on speed 2 (but nada on speed 1).
Command 3, squadron 5, engineering 6 (it's on a different scale)
Points? Dunno? 200?
Sounds doable to me. No worse than a CR90 vs. ISD comparison if you ask me.
None of the Armada models scale.
So a super would need a new huge base (4 Motti points?), but it need not be all that much bigger. Slightly stronger shields than an ISD (5/4/4/3), and lots of hull (14).
Something like 6 red, 6 blue out the front, 4 red 4 blue to the sides, etc. 2 blue anti-fighter.
Make it speed 2, with 1 click at 2nd joint on speed 2 (but nada on speed 1).
Command 3, squadron 5, engineering 6 (it's on a different scale)
Points? Dunno? 200?
Sounds doable to me. No worse than a CR90 vs. ISD comparison if you ask me.
The Executor was described as being able to take it's 5 escorts easily. It was about 8.5 times the length of the ISD to the same scale, and consider what the does for volume, or area (even using roughly the same scaling of CR90 to ISD, that's about 2.5 times as long as an ISD). The thing should be no less than 1000 points. ... and you worry about oneshotting now. It should be able to oneshot an ISD-easily to keep any sort of pace with what it should be capable of.
Thing *was* HUGE and SCARY. It took the fire of the entire fleet to bring down part of the shields (and a crit from an A-wing) to defeat it. There were *at least* 8 MC80s firing on it.
Cool - new posts in the SSD topic.
I have no problem with the ISD being the largest ship in Armada whatsoever.
Why do we even need larger ships?
None of the Armada models scale.
So a super would need a new huge base (4 Motti points?), but it need not be all that much bigger. Slightly stronger shields than an ISD (5/4/4/3), and lots of hull (14).
Something like 6 red, 6 blue out the front, 4 red 4 blue to the sides, etc. 2 blue anti-fighter.
Make it speed 2, with 1 click at 2nd joint on speed 2 (but nada on speed 1).
Command 3, squadron 5, engineering 6 (it's on a different scale)
Points? Dunno? 200?
Sounds doable to me. No worse than a CR90 vs. ISD comparison if you ask me.
The Executor was described as being able to take it's 5 escorts easily. It was about 8.5 times the length of the ISD to the same scale, and consider what the does for volume, or area (even using roughly the same scaling of CR90 to ISD, that's about 2.5 times as long as an ISD). The thing should be no less than 1000 points. ... and you worry about oneshotting now. It should be able to oneshot an ISD-easily to keep any sort of pace with what it should be capable of.
Thing *was* HUGE and SCARY. It took the fire of the entire fleet to bring down part of the shields (and a crit from an A-wing) to defeat it. There were *at least* 8 MC80s firing on it.
Not a relevant objection.
CR90s are useless against ISDs, yet that's not the case in Armada.
Same applies here.
Move along
CR90s are useless against ISDs, yet that's not the case in Armada.
No they weren't. In large enough numbers CR-90s were a threat to a ISD. You put a single ISD on the table and fight a single CR-90 and the outcome is a given. Put 8 CR-90's on the table and it's a different story. But both cases are fitting to what happened in the EU.
Edit: Oh and I have trouble believing that many people would spend $250 for something to put on their shelf.
Edited by VanorDMErrr...yes, but you don't need 8 in ARMADA. Hence you should not need like 8 MC80 to kill the super. 2-3 should be sufficient - if you want to make it playable. That was my point.
I bet 8 Corvettes can kill any single ship in Armada. The greater its base the easier.
The larger the base, the greater the fall?
The easier to ram, the greater the boom ...
I bet 8 Corvettes can kill any single ship in Armada. The greater its base the easier.
Given that thats a minimum of 312 points, i would bloody well hope so.
I bet 8 Corvettes can kill any single ship in Armada. The greater its base the easier.
Given that thats a minimum of 312 points, i would bloody well hope so.
Sounds like good balancing. Ok, we do the SSD!
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FWIW, some folks over at the BGG forum put together some cards/rules to use with an SSD model. The stats look rather out of whack to me, but you gotta start somewhere, right?:
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1456004/super-star-destroyer-concept
Now that Rebellion is being previewed - we have an example of a SSD model twice the length of an ISD model - so we can see the two together and see if it's too disbelief-stretching.
Well, given that the infantry figures in Rebellion are the same height as the SSD, I don't think it's a good basis for comparison..