If the Naysayers are right and there won't be an SSD, then I would be outright disappointed if the ISD will be the biggest (canon) miniature in the game. I think 8'' is too small for the biggest threat in the game.

Which is why I think a 2' SSD would be a reasonable model which is still playable (Most vids I've seen of people playing Armada, they barely use the full 3'x6' play area, most cram all shipsin a 3'x3' or even 2'x2' area). Don't expect it to be a valid tournament option, but enough casual gamers will want to buy it and will adjust their play area to accomodate it (like 4'x8').

The official tournament rules dictate a 300 point game and after wave 2 a 400 point game, yet there are many people who just want to have (more) fun and play 600+ and even 1000+ games, because they can and want big epic battles.

I don't see why a massive 2' SSD wouldn't fit in such a game.

I can easily imagine a 1000 pointish game where 1 SSD + 2 ISD and some 300 points of smaller escort ships will have to repel a (surprise) attack by a rebel fleet consisting of 5-7 MC80's and 300-400 points of smaller ships.

Sure it might not be 'canon' realism in terms of size, firepower, but this game isn't 'canon' realistic anyway (a corvette already has too much firepower compared to an ISD)

If FFG release a 2' SSD and you don't like it, either because it's too cumbersome to play on tournaments or too small to be 'realistic' then don't buy it. I bet there are enough people who will want to buy it and adjust their games to accomodate it.

There are other bigger ships in the EU FFG could come up with at some point ...

And there is the menace of Disney Star Destroyers ... but I REALLY hope they stay in the age of the Original Tilogy + EU for a while.

And FFG could come up with completely new handcrafted ships anytime, like they did it with the Raider.

There are other bigger ships in the EU FFG could come up with at some point ...

And there is the menace of Disney Star Destroyers ... but I REALLY hope they stay in the age of the Original Tilogy + EU for a while.

And FFG could come up with completely new handcrafted ships anytime, like they did it with the Raider.

Yes, EU gives some options, yet every Star Wars fan knows that the SSD is the biggest ship out there (not counting the Death Star) and many will want to see it in a game like this.

Will it be playable in 3x6' area and massive enough to give it a true SSD feel? probably not, but casual players who want to use it, will adjust their games for it.

If FFG won't introduce the SSD, then I bet some custom-ship builder will and players will buy it from them.

No, there is at least one bigger ship then a SSD: the Eclipse class. This one even features a super laser.

Better let this SSD topic to the custom ship builders to deal with this niche of casual players which are willing to pay a lot to have such a model for the kicks of having it.

No, there is at least one bigger ship then a SSD: the Eclipse class. This one even features a super laser.

Better let this SSD topic to the custom ship builders to deal with this niche of casual players which are willing to pay a lot to have such a model for the kicks of having it.

Is Mel also going to come out with a Sun Crusher ?

There are just some things that make Disney's dismissal of the EU such a good thing. I hope they bring the good stuff back, and leave the Eclipses and the Sun Crushers in the dustbin where they belong.

But that's an aside.

If they made a 24" Executor -class, I'd be cool with it. I would, however, hope that it would (somehow) be playable in the standard format. While I love Epic X-Wing, it's very hard to get an epic game in, because my friends just play the standard 100pnt game. I'd fear the same result in Armada with an Epic-play SSD.

As long as there is no official price support for epic format tournaments ...

But that's all a matter of opinion. I would be happy with a Super Star Destroyer model if it is at least visibly longer than the 12" CR-90 from X-Wing, and I wouldn't find it ridiculous. After all I'd just want a flagship for my Imperial fleet that is tougher and stronger than the Imperial I got in Sullust.

As for it being laughable, we'll see. If it turns out to single-handedly wipe out rebel fleets without so much a scratch then we'll see if the detractors are laughing about it or calling it overpowered and demanding nerfs.

FFG does not share your opinion.

But that's all a matter of opinion. I would be happy with a Super Star Destroyer model if it is at least visibly longer than the 12" CR-90 from X-Wing, and I wouldn't find it ridiculous. After all I'd just want a flagship for my Imperial fleet that is tougher and stronger than the Imperial I got in Sullust.

As for it being laughable, we'll see. If it turns out to single-handedly wipe out rebel fleets without so much a scratch then we'll see if the detractors are laughing about it or calling it overpowered and demanding nerfs.

FFG does not share your opinion.

Source?

How is this not laughable? Overpowered is just as bad as underpowered.

No, there is at least one bigger ship then a SSD: the Eclipse class. This one even features a super laser.

Better let this SSD topic to the custom ship builders to deal with this niche of casual players which are willing to pay a lot to have such a model for the kicks of having it.

Is Mel also going to come out with a Sun Crusher ?

There are just some things that make Disney's dismissal of the EU such a good thing. I hope they bring the good stuff back, and leave the Eclipses and the Sun Crushers in the dustbin where they belong.

But that's an aside.

If they made a 24" Executor -class, I'd be cool with it. I would, however, hope that it would (somehow) be playable in the standard format. While I love Epic X-Wing, it's very hard to get an epic game in, because my friends just play the standard 100pnt game. I'd fear the same result in Armada with an Epic-play SSD.

Play wise, the problem would be the base. To include the SSD and still be playing Armada, you would have to up the size of the range ruler, movement tool and play area.

The other option is to force the SSD to move along the table edge, only able to change speed. Turning only when it gets to the corner.

No, there is at least one bigger ship then a SSD: the Eclipse class. This one even features a super laser.

Better let this SSD topic to the custom ship builders to deal with this niche of casual players which are willing to pay a lot to have such a model for the kicks of having it.

Is Mel also going to come out with a Sun Crusher ?

There are just some things that make Disney's dismissal of the EU such a good thing. I hope they bring the good stuff back, and leave the Eclipses and the Sun Crushers in the dustbin where they belong.

But that's an aside.

If they made a 24" Executor -class, I'd be cool with it. I would, however, hope that it would (somehow) be playable in the standard format. While I love Epic X-Wing, it's very hard to get an epic game in, because my friends just play the standard 100pnt game. I'd fear the same result in Armada with an Epic-play SSD.

No, there is at least one bigger ship then a SSD: the Eclipse class. This one even features a super laser.

Better let this SSD topic to the custom ship builders to deal with this niche of casual players which are willing to pay a lot to have such a model for the kicks of having it.

Is Mel also going to come out with a Sun Crusher ?

There are just some things that make Disney's dismissal of the EU such a good thing. I hope they bring the good stuff back, and leave the Eclipses and the Sun Crushers in the dustbin where they belong.

But that's an aside.

If they made a 24" Executor -class, I'd be cool with it. I would, however, hope that it would (somehow) be playable in the standard format. While I love Epic X-Wing, it's very hard to get an epic game in, because my friends just play the standard 100pnt game. I'd fear the same result in Armada with an Epic-play SSD.

Play wise, the problem would be the base. To include the SSD and still be playing Armada, you would have to up the size of the range ruler, movement tool and play area.

The other option is to force the SSD to move along the table edge, only able to change speed. Turning only when it gets to the corner.

Why would you have to up the size of the range ruler? Do the Executor's turbo laser's have much more range than that of any other SD?

Scale does not matter.

When are people going to figure out that scale is not the main issue? Those of us against a SSD are not simply saying that it won't work due to scale!

To make it look correct would require the SSD to be over 6 feet long. Sure you could make it smaller, like say 3 feet or even 2 feet. At which point it may look ok on the table but would not look correct.

But even then 2 feet is still too large, it would take up huge chunk of the table, and effectively be in range of everything without having to move. Which is something it really couldn't do, short of moving in a mostly straight line along the long edge. Plus the thing would cost $250.

So once again, the issue isn't scale. The issue is that IMO and the opinion of others the smallest you could make a SSD and have it be anything but stupid looking it still too big.

The shape is a major issue. Look at it's width compared to it's length....now look at an ISD width/length ratio.

It would be very easy to have an SSD narrower than an ISD if the length wasn't enough, which would be....well, yeah. "Stupid looking" is putting it too mildly.

Well considering the X-wing raider model is still larger than the Armada ISD model I think there is room for the Executor and Mon calamari Defender.

But then again I am also the person that wants a scaled down Star Destroyer for X-wing epic.

Here you go-

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/190509-star-destroyer-for-x-wing-epic/#entry1835582

But that's all a matter of opinion. I would be happy with a Super Star Destroyer model if it is at least visibly longer than the 12" CR-90 from X-Wing, and I wouldn't find it ridiculous. After all I'd just want a flagship for my Imperial fleet that is tougher and stronger than the Imperial I got in Sullust.

As for it being laughable, we'll see. If it turns out to single-handedly wipe out rebel fleets without so much a scratch then we'll see if the detractors are laughing about it or calling it overpowered and demanding nerfs.

FFG does not share your opinion.

Source?

A post from a few months ago. A forum member was talking to a FFG emplyee and was told a SSD wasn't in the cards.

Well considering the X-wing raider model is still larger than the Armada ISD model I think there is room for the Executor and Mon calamari Defender.

But then again I am also the person that wants a scaled down Star Destroyer for X-wing epic.

Here you go-

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/190509-star-destroyer-for-x-wing-epic/#entry1835582

Nice, that would be a 810:1 scale ISD?

So... are you guys discussing model or base size?

I pointed this out in last night's Sullust event: In an average game, how much table space of the 6x3 are you actually using? Is it really that implausible to bring in a massive starship about a foot long with a base (regardless of the miniature size), and push it in from the side of the table you're not using? It'll only go about speed one or two, and would almost never turn, but imagine what kind of firing arcs its' going to have and how one would distribute the firepower across them! Massive board control for the sake of eating at least half your list!

It's even less likely to fly off the board than any epic X-Wing ship on the fact that the game is only six turns in length!

I still feel that, as playing pieces, they will be heavily abstracted and scale is not a concern. Because it is a space ship , the Executor is still eligible. We are not trying to jam a space battleship into a game about single-seat fighters, just add a big capital ship to a game about capital ships . We will however never see the Eclipse , or a Torpedo Sphere. Golans may be possible in the future, if armed space stations are ever a thing.

But I will admit that the size of the Star Destroyer "miniature" gives pause to the notion that an SSD can be manufactured, because if it did, it may be the length of most mantelpieces.

Even so I don't think that necessarily precludes seeing one from FFG. How many of you owning Super Star Destroyer lego kits wish you could push it around on tables making pew pew with dice and damage cards? That's about what I would expect about the SSD.

scale is already way off look at the cr90 and the ISD everyone is fine with that. Why are so many people unwilling to compromise on the SSD?

But that's all a matter of opinion. I would be happy with a Super Star Destroyer model if it is at least visibly longer than the 12" CR-90 from X-Wing, and I wouldn't find it ridiculous. After all I'd just want a flagship for my Imperial fleet that is tougher and stronger than the Imperial I got in Sullust.

As for it being laughable, we'll see. If it turns out to single-handedly wipe out rebel fleets without so much a scratch then we'll see if the detractors are laughing about it or calling it overpowered and demanding nerfs.

FFG does not share your opinion.

Source?

A post from a few months ago. A forum member was talking to a FFG emplyee and was told a SSD wasn't in the cards.

Still nothing official from FFG. I have a hard time believing that they will leave all that $$$ on the table. Now, I also don't think we will see one until they have a workable mechanic for epic scale ships in Armada. So far FFG has a good track record for producing quality rules sets. It will happen eventually.

OK, here is it:

I won't buy a SSD for Armada even if it would come from FFG because it would be either too large or it would be a joke.

As soon as it would become playable size-wise, it would be a joke.

There is nothing in between. Face it.

I could see it as a static model. Something too large to maneuver, but has sections, firing arcs, objectives. It could stay on the side of the board and never move, and the other player would get a bonus 150 points and have to disable like 2 sections or something in order to have a victory.

OK, here is it:

I won't buy a SSD for Armada even if it would come from FFG because it would be either too large or it would be a joke.

As soon as it would become playable size-wise, it would be a joke.

There is nothing in between. Face it.

nothing for you... But fur many others they could

I could see it as a static model. Something too large to maneuver, but has sections, firing arcs, objectives. It could stay on the side of the board and never move, and the other player would get a bonus 150 points and have to disable like 2 sections or something in order to have a victory.

Speed 1 at best with No clicks. . .

Scale does not matter.

When are people going to figure out that scale is not the main issue? Those of us against a SSD are not simply saying that it won't work due to scale!

To make it look correct would require the SSD to be over 6 feet long. Sure you could make it smaller, like say 3 feet or even 2 feet. At which point it may look ok on the table but would not look correct.

But even then 2 feet is still too large, it would take up huge chunk of the table, and effectively be in range of everything without having to move. Which is something it really couldn't do, short of moving in a mostly straight line along the long edge. Plus the thing would cost $250.

So once again, the issue isn't scale. The issue is that IMO and the opinion of others the smallest you could make a SSD and have it be anything but stupid looking it still too big.

You're still talking about sizes... I thought the physical dimensions of things is called scale?

Besides if it's only the base you can look to see how there isn't much of a difference between small bases and large bases (and the scale of ships on small bases is also pretty wild between the CR-90 and the Gladiator!). FFG may simply stick three Star Destroyer bases in a line and call that the basis for their SSD, no matter how long the miniature ended up becoming.

Besides, next time you set up an Armada game see if you can find a space to put a two-foot long base in. With a 6x3 playing space, I think you'll find that easier than you are thinking. Especially if you replace a medium or huge ship with that hypothetical two-foot-long base.

A post from a few months ago. A forum member was talking to a FFG emplyee and was told a SSD wasn't in the cards.

Could you dig up that quote, Gonardll?

OK, here is it:

I won't buy a SSD for Armada even if it would come from FFG because it would be either too large or it would be a joke.

As soon as it would become playable size-wise, it would be a joke.

There is nothing in between. Face it.

nothing for you... But fur many others they could

Would it be ok for you if it would be twice the length of an ISD?