Issue solved...right???

As Drasnighta points out, all you're really doing is making a whole new version of Armada. One that would require we buy all new models. All for the sake of adding a single unit to the game, and having the size actually make sense.

Myself I can't see many people spending another couple hundred bucks for the sake of playing with a SSD.

In the light of wave 2 and the ISD lets look at some facts now that we have some.

The ISD measures in at 8 inches / a touch under 21 cm long in length

It has a width of about 5 1/2 inches, or 14cm.

Most players sofar agree that for a SSD to work (i.e. people want to get it), it has to be somewhat ok looking in terms of scale with the rest of the game, otherwise its just silly.

So we could say, lets look at half the size of the ISD again as a bare minimum, thats 12 inches, or 41cm long. Which is "doable" since the X-Wing Corvette and Raider are about that length.

Looking at reference photos and diagrams, the SSD has a length/width ratio of about 4/1. This is due to its extreme dagger shape, as opposed to a wedge shape like the other SD's.

This means that our 12 inch long SSD model, would only be 3 inches wide (at widest point), which would mean that the "smaller" ISD would actually be almost twice as wide as the SSD. Which would just look rubbish.

Going the other way, in order to produce an SSD which would actually be "bigger" than an ISD model, would require it to be 6 inches wide, and 24 inches long - double the size of the X-Wing epic sized ships.

I dont belive this is viable for production as they would work out rediculously expensive for the few people who would buy them.

(Not to mention the other issue of breaking the game balance and having to come up with a completely new method of manuvering them and how firing mechanics would work).

Yet in game it is smaller.

Edit: Per Starwas.com's database the length of a MC80 is 1200m. So the in game model is the correct size.

Yet in game it is smaller.

Edit: Per Starwas.com's database the length of a MC80 is 1200m. So the in game model is the correct size.

Thing is... Even if the MC80 wasn't the correct size, that doesn't actually change anything.

Myself I'd be ok with a scaled down version of a SSD, but only to a point, and that point is too large for this game.

It would have to be at least 24inches long to get the correct look and that's too big for a 3x6 table, it's too big for a 4x6 table really. You'd need to push it out to something like 4x8 before it would fit.

Thing is... Even if the MC80 wasn't the correct size, that doesn't actually change anything.

Myself I'd be ok with a scaled down version of a SSD, but only to a point, and that point is too large for this game.

It would have to be at least 24inches long to get the correct look and that's too big for a 3x6 table, it's too big for a 4x6 table really. You'd need to push it out to something like 4x8 before it would fit.

I would be fine with 18" long. Sadly it would make the edge thinner. . .

SSD should be 2 feet long, sit up off the table like the Borg Cube and have a errant just for the game that there in.

errant would include starting locations change, firing dynamics for that ship, objective card and movement.

It can be done.. I have seen it done with other games... Borg Cube, DS9, Star Wars Miniatures AT-AT etc, etc.

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An SSD would work well as a home-brew option. Something to spice up games and do fun house-rules stuff.

I'd love to see what an SSD would look like iF FFG released one though, considering how good their craftsmanship is.

couldn't we compromise and make it 18"?

Yet in game it is smaller.

Edit: Per Starwas.com's database the length of a MC80 is 1200m. So the in game model is the correct size.

Yes, but individual MC80's vary in size. Home One is the largest, being around 3km (this was actually calculated from the movie shots). I'm sure in time someone will make an alternate shapeway Home One model that is longer than an ISD.

As for the SSD, 28 inch and not an inch smaller!!

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Well considering the X-wing raider model is still larger than the Armada ISD model I think there is room for the Executor and Mon calamari Defender.

But then again I am also the person that wants a scaled down Star Destroyer for X-wing epic.

Feels small but in a sliding scale it is perfect. All you need is something to dwarf all others.

Why does it matter what the actual size of the ship was in canon? That size won't really matter considering the scale in Armada. It will be large enough to dwarf the Imperial but it will not be so large that it's unwieldy during game play. Can't see it larger than, say, 45~50cm.

The problem, as I'm sure we've discussed to death by now, is that if you make it small enough to fit on the table, it is too small. If you make it big enough to be the right size, then it's too big.

The scale difference is simply too enormous to have any middle ground. It will either be far too huge, or far too small. There can be no compromise.

To be in proper scale with the ISD the SSD would need to be, like, 9 feet long. So let's use a sort of sliding scale to halve that down to 4.5 feet. Still too big. Halve it again. Now we're talking more than 24", still fricking enormous, but workable.

The problem is that we left an acceptable scale compromise behind when we dropped under 4 feet. That's already half as long as it should be. By the time you've shrunk it to a workable size you're so far out of scale it's laughable. There is no sweet spot where you can have it ALMOST the right size, and ALMOST the right scale. The right scale and the right sized model are separated by an enormous gulf and are completely irreconcilable.

So... are you guys discussing model or base size?

I pointed this out in last night's Sullust event: In an average game, how much table space of the 6x3 are you actually using? Is it really that implausible to bring in a massive starship about a foot long with a base (regardless of the miniature size), and push it in from the side of the table you're not using? It'll only go about speed one or two, and would almost never turn, but imagine what kind of firing arcs its' going to have and how one would distribute the firepower across them! Massive board control for the sake of eating at least half your list!

It's even less likely to fly off the board than any epic X-Wing ship on the fact that the game is only six turns in length!

I still feel that, as playing pieces, they will be heavily abstracted and scale is not a concern. Because it is a space ship , the Executor is still eligible. We are not trying to jam a space battleship into a game about single-seat fighters, just add a big capital ship to a game about capital ships . We will however never see the Eclipse , or a Torpedo Sphere. Golans may be possible in the future, if armed space stations are ever a thing.

But I will admit that the size of the Star Destroyer "miniature" gives pause to the notion that an SSD can be manufactured, because if it did, it may be the length of most mantelpieces.

Even so I don't think that necessarily precludes seeing one from FFG. How many of you owning Super Star Destroyer lego kits wish you could push it around on tables making pew pew with dice and damage cards? That's about what I would expect about the SSD.

If they can keep the model to around 24 inches in length, which in my view just about does a SSD justice, but the actual base size the same as the current large bases (would this balance?) and set it higher than all current models, as they have done with the ISD, then other ships can travel under the model, then it is playable. Over six turns it should be doable to keep it on the board and contribute a meaningful part in the game, probably just shooting everything around it whilst cruising through the play area at speed one or two max, with one click. The rebels don't need something of the same size, that is why we have a points system plus the rebels destroyed one at Endor with their MC80 led fleet. Wishful thinking but it would be great if Wave 3 was a SSD and Liberty class Mon Cal. An alternative is to increase the playing area, like you do for 40K Apocalypse games, and let's face it no one plays them for the gaming experience, which is inferior to a normal 40K game, they are played because they scratch a certain itch and are visually spectacular.

I play Armada for big and powerful capital ships. I'll be damned if the epic ships in x wing should be bigger than what Armada players can put on the table.

It just looks way too unwieldy for Armada despite how awesome it could look on a table.

It just looks way too unwieldy for Armada despite how awesome it could look on a table.

Well after watching a Raid on Sullust tournament the rules and FAQ in Armada is already unwieldy

It just looks way too unwieldy for Armada despite how awesome it could look on a table.

Well after watching a Raid on Sullust tournament the rules and FAQ is Armada is already unwieldy

I find them very elegant and strait forward

Also WHY THIS THREAD STILL HRRE!!!

It just looks way too unwieldy for Armada despite how awesome it could look on a table.

Well after watching a Raid on Sullust tournament the rules and FAQ is Armada is already unwieldy

how so?

I find them very elegant and strait forward

Also WHY THIS THREAD STILL HRRE!!!

I am confused by this as well.

I hear this more about X-Wing than anything else (except 40k. . . that rules system needs to be nuked from existence)

It just looks way too unwieldy for Armada despite how awesome it could look on a table.

Well after watching a Raid on Sullust tournament the rules and FAQ is Armada is already unwieldy

how so?

I find them very elegant and strait forward

Also WHY THIS THREAD STILL HRRE!!!

I would guess because there are some of us out here who want it to happen.

Ok... So, much as I absolutely hate it, I think there will be an SSD. And it's because of something no one seems to have noticed. If they have previously, my apologies.

Shield dials. The strongest shield on an ISD is a 4. The dials go to 6.

Have fun, folks.

Ok... So, much as I absolutely hate it, I think there will be an SSD. And it's because of something no one seems to have noticed. If they have previously, my apologies.

Shield dials. The strongest shield on an ISD is a 4. The dials go to 6.

Have fun, folks.

Nope, an SSD would have stonger shields.

Ok... So, much as I absolutely hate it, I think there will be an SSD. And it's because of something no one seems to have noticed. If they have previously, my apologies.

Shield dials. The strongest shield on an ISD is a 4. The dials go to 6.

Have fun, folks.

Nope, an SSD would have stonger shields.

Keep in mind that on a larger base (as needed for an SSD) they can use bigger shield dials and go up higher If they do bring in an SSD I think I could almost guarantee it would be a 2 base ship with 6 Arcs/Hull Zones (front, left, right, rear, left and right) that way you could essentially double tap with your side arcs against larger ships (such as ISDs/Mon Cals) but smaller ships (like Corvettes/Frigates) would only be in one arc (granted 1 arc on an SSD probably would still be enough to cripple/kill a corvette but still)

More like it will have more shield zones. I can see our epic ships with 2 left zones and 2 right zones so 6's work well.

Besides, if the MC80 and the ISD are not getting 6 shields, what else will?