Nah, this has to be two Star Destroyers crammed together for me to believe it's anywhere close to being a Super Star Destroyer. This is as much of an upgrade as GSDs are to VSDs (or even ISDs). It would be the biggest ship possible to fit in the engine, but hopefully small enough to fit other ships in the fleet as well. If Epic goes up to 500, this consumes 300 points by itself I'd wager, and has to be pointed to withstand an entire 300 point rebel fleet.

Why don't you guys just add more arcs. Think of an ice cube tray. You end up with unique "fire corridors" that could have about 3-4 dice each. Give it a unique special rule that allows you to fire from more than two arcs. Should be really accurate representation of how while the ship of the that size has a huge amount of firepower, the size of it would preclude it from bringing more than two arcs to bear on something like a CR90.

It would need to be so large it could only be deployed sideways.

I would still buy one, but it would be stupid.

Stupid awesome!

Hi all,

Just joined up today.

Its not in keeping with Star Wars lore (and I feel a bit of a heretic even suggesting it) but Id advocate having the Executor & Eclipse class size ships in the game. Make the model say 3 times as big as an Impstar and scale the combat power accordingly. Given the choice between that and never seeing it in virtually any game ever, Id take that option. I remember the PC game Empire at War which had the Executor & Eclipse class at true scale and it was just a bit overwhelming.

This would allow the option to slot in other ships sizes between Star Destroyers & the Star Dreadnoughts, such as the allegiance class or a re-scaled sovereign.

The old PC Rebellion could be mined for ships to beef the Rebel options, the Dauntless, Liberator & Bulwark classes spring to mind.

The Imperial Escort Carrier from Rouge Squadron 3 was also a pretty cool looking ship too.

It would need to be so large it could only be deployed sideways.

I would still buy one, but it would be stupid.

Better still: Spaceball One : exactly six feet long.

5 red, 5 blue front arc.

3 red, 3 blue side arcs.

2 red, 2 blue rear arc.

5 shields front

3 shields side and rear

13 hull

4 command

4 squadron

4 engineering

1 brace

2 redirect

1 contain

Cost: 140 - 150

I understand people want a steamroller. Essentially I think the stats of an SSD will be slightly superior to an ISD. The way FFG will make it "feel big" will be in the title cards, and potentially the amount of upgrade slots. It'll be on a large base but the ship model will probably be the same size as an imperial.

This would be a close to the new First Order SD. Lose one command, up the Hull, squadron and engineering, up by 1 each. Give it 2 or 3 anti squadron and same speed/clicks as the ISD. 150 pts at least I would guess.

It would need to be so large it could only be deployed sideways.

I would still buy one, but it would be stupid.

Better still: Spaceball One : exactly six feet long.

And, as you can't start at speed zero, your first order is always going to be nav.

5 red, 5 blue front arc.

3 red, 3 blue side arcs.

2 red, 2 blue rear arc.

5 shields front

3 shields side and rear

13 hull

4 command

4 squadron

4 engineering

1 brace

2 redirect

1 contain

Cost: 140 - 150

I understand people want a steamroller. Essentially I think the stats of an SSD will be slightly superior to an ISD. The way FFG will make it "feel big" will be in the title cards, and potentially the amount of upgrade slots. It'll be on a large base but the ship model will probably be the same size as an imperial.

This would be a close to the new First Order SD. Lose one command, up the Hull, squadron and engineering, up by 1 each. Give it 2 or 3 anti squadron and same speed/clicks as the ISD. 150 pts at least I would guess.

I agree with your assessment. But, now that you mention the First Order SD, I imagine they're going to be leaving the SSD to a much later wave. If they release it early (wave 3/4), it'll put a "roof" on what future imperial big ships will be able to have (it'd just be silly for something to have more firepower than an SSD except a Deathstar or Star Killer or whatever.)

I'm putting thoughts down in hopes of making a Armada/X-Wing/IA campaign in where a Rebel task force discovers a new type of SSD, the Omega-Class. I'm planning on using the Raider model from X-Wing as the SSD in Armada battles. I'm still working on details but here is what I have.

- Movement is going to be completely different than standard rules. It can only move forward a very short distance or rotate (I'm still working on how to do that).

- Ship-to-ship Attack dice will be heavier than the ISD (for obvious reasons), but it will be spread out more along Fore, Port, and Starboard zones.

- It' will have a weak Anti-fighter attack. To counter this, it will have 4 Raider Corvette launch bays that can deploy in-battle.This will also give it a low squadron rating.

- Hull will be between 17-22. Shields (F-P-S-A) 3-3-3-1

- Upgrades, crew, etc. will be added as results from the campaign

The concept of a SSD for this game is ridiculous , but if you want to build the star killer base for armada I am willing to pay $249.97 max...if the upgrade cards are good of course.

SSDs are so big they would be a table environment not a ship. place skin of SSD as the table and place weapon turrets and shield towers and other targets around the table. you could fight a SWA batle in the main hanger bay.

Guys, hello? One this game is not to scale. Two: How much of the play space are you actually using in your games? The only time I've seen all of it was taken up was in a recent 3v3... and even then, the only reason it was isbecause one of our ISDs was deployed on a far flank and didn't see combat till turn 5-6! You can fit something long base in there, the game will support it.

Sure it won't support something real scale but again, there is no strict adherence to scale!

Gunner, let us know how your SSD works! Do you have someplace where you're posting new cards and materials?

There is some relative scaling, however...

... I mean, for some people here, if you made a Super Star Destroyer that was Twice as long as an ISD, and had double the Dice... It would feel like a Bigger Star Destroyer, and it wouldn't necessarily be big enough to feel like a Super Star Destroyer...

Honestly, there's much better places to expand the game rather than "OMFG BIG SHIP"... That just seems like the lazy way out.

Gunner, let us know how your SSD works! Do you have someplace where you're posting new cards and materials?

I just thought of it a day or so ago when I ordered my Raider. Should be here on Wednesday, then I'll play around with the ideas I have. When I get some free time, I'll make a thread with all of my plans for it.

Its been pointed out over and over, even at 50% scale to FFGs ISD an SSD would be 6 feet long. the thing would have 100 read dice at 6 times range and 100 shields on its back side.

Its been pointed out over and over, even at 50% scale to FFGs ISD an SSD would be 6 feet long.

No it wouldn't.

The armada ISD is just a hair over 8" long. At the same scale, that would make a SSD right around 8'. So, at 50% the scale, the SSD would be about 4' long. Which is still too big for a mass market game piece, but still.

I used to think a SSD was a shoo in, but then the ISD ended up being much bigger than I expected so I am not sure. Big models have been done before for games. I have a ~20" battletech drop ship from wizkids, comparing the ISD to it, I think that size would not look too bad. WotC's AT-AT is about 15" long though and I don't think it would look right at that size.

Its been pointed out over and over, even at 50% scale to FFGs ISD an SSD would be 6 feet long. the thing would have 100 read dice at 6 times range and 100 shields on its back side.

Pointed out and disputed, as an invalid argument. The SSD, like all monsters, has grown in the telling over the last 30 years or so. The "official" length growing from 8,000m to 19,000m is even more ridicules than a fleet scale Star Wars game that was not designed to accommodate one of the most iconic ships in the original trilogy. At 8,000m a half scale SSD would be about 20" long, and logistically practical. I understand your arguments, I simply disagree with them.

Its been pointed out over and over, even at 50% scale to FFGs ISD an SSD would be 6 feet long. the thing would have 100 read dice at 6 times range and 100 shields on its back side.

It has also been pointed out over and over that the Corvette is supposed to be able to fit into the landing bay of the Star Destroyer, but it is how many times to larger?

I still say that 18-24" is a perfectly sound size for the SSD

Ships:

CR90: 126 meters

ISD-1: 1,600 meters

(ISD is 12.6 times larger than CR90)

Models:

CR90: 57mm (estimated, 3/4 of small base)

ISD: 203.2mm

(ISD is only 3.5 times larger)

Scales (tiny bit of rounding):

CR90: 19/42000

ISD: 1/8000

Assuming a linear progression (every meter means it gets 0.00241519674 times larger), the SSD would be 42.0244233x larger than the ISD (8526mm, or 8.5m). So nope.

Someone with access to a tape measure can plot out all the rest of the ships.

I asked someone who's actually good at math and they came up with the following:

The ratio of scales is apx the square root of the ratio of sizes (sqrt(12) = ~3.5)

so the ratio of an SSD:ISD would be 19000:1600, or 11.8 (pretty close to the CR90:ISD)

sqrt(11.8) = 3.4, so the SSD would be 203*3.4 = 690mm. That one's manageable if HUGE.

Assuming a linear progression (every meter means it gets 0.00241519674 times larger), the SSD would be 42.0244233x larger than the ISD (8526mm, or 8.5m).

You understand that 8.5M is (more than 3 times) bigger than the (19,000M) SSD would be if it were in the same scale as the ISD model, right?

You guys seem to be very stuck on the whole size issue. I know many before me have said, but the sizing of ships aren't all in scale. It's likely a sliding scale using a complex mathematical formula (similar to the graphic below)

This graphic was created by another user on a different forum. It's not accurate, it's just an approximation, however it does illustrate the possibility of introducing an SSD. Its doubtful they'll use this sizing chart, FFG will probably decide on whatever size they see fit for the game. However I feel they're not going to want to protrude any further out from a large base than the SSD does for logistical reasons (who knows, there might be an "epic" sized base, or "huge".)

ok did the math. at 50% ISDs scale The SSD would be about 4.18 feet long and 8,35 feet if the same scale is used. I believed some one that said it was 12feet at full ISD scale.

its would also need 5000 weapons worth of attack dice compared to the 120 on a ISD. any one feel up to the math on that one?