So I just tried echo (PtL, Stygium, Mara Jade, Adv sensors). It was working great until I realized that stress stops you from getting the free evade action when you decloak. No Bueno. The same holds for ACD. I think no matter how you slice it phantoms just don't work well with PtL. Predator or Outmaneuver seem to be much better choices.

Mara Jade on the other hand... Very nice. even though I was flying against a double turret list I was able to keep them stressed and predictable (or actionless), which (along with a healthy dose of luck) kept Echo alive in the end game long enough to take both ships down.

That's why you ptl off your evade, then green, then normal action, the economy is real.

Nice topic, outmaneuver feels really nasty

Ruthlesness on Echo + ACD + Recon (40) interests me as the ultimate weapon against lots of Bs and Zs, Biggs, Swarms ...

Not sure how to spend the remaining 60 points.

keep sharing ideas please!

Not sure how to spend the remaining 60 points.

I find your lack of rear admirals disturbing.

Guys, guys (and gals), what you're forgetting is that if you drop VI you can also drop the ACD and not feel bad about it because you're not gonna be shooting first anyway. Instead Stygium Particle and PTL for mass shenanigans.

With Echo, I will always take ACD, not because of the 4 agility dice, but to be able to decloak every turn. Echo's ability is build around decloaking, so I'll want to exploit it to its fullest. Getting 4 agility dice early is nice, but decloaking with a bank is what really make Echo shine over the others Phantoms.

That's why you ptl off your evade, then green, then normal action, the economy is real.

Ah yes, I see now... Thanks.

What about a Sigma with Stealth Device and Mara Jade? Always keep it cloaked, always focus as your action and fly it close to enemy ships.

You could then add on buzzsaw Whisper and a decked out 35 point soontir.

Maybe this would be a better idea for the recent troll list thread lol.

What about a Sigma with Stealth Device and Mara Jade? Always keep it cloaked, always focus as your action and fly it close to enemy ships.

You could then add on buzzsaw Whisper and a decked out 35 point soontir.

Maybe this would be a better idea for the recent troll list thread lol.

Ha ha I like it!

In the past I have run the following Phantom List. I stopped playing it though because people got pretty upset with me.

Whisper, Rebel Captive, FCS, Determination,ACD

Sigma, FCS, Stygium

Sigma, FCS, Stygium

Stay and range 3, but decloaking to side and doing 1 hard turns, moving only slightly forward and keep firing 4 dice. Use Whisper to weaken them and the others to finish them off.

I have won two tournaments and then stopped playing the list. It felt dirty and really wasn't that fun to play. I created it to beat a Phat Han list, which it does, by castleing and then throwing 12 dice at him each turn.

Determination, keeps your Whisper alive versus those High PS enemies. Remember target them first and remove them quickly..

I heard they are releasing a PS 10 Echo in the next Imperial Aces.

The Phantom needs buffed to balance out the game a bit. Once you elimate the only weakness, its PS the game designers will have truly created the perfect unstoppable ship.

I heard they are releasing a PS 10 Echo in the next Imperial Aces.

The Phantom needs buffed to balance out the game a bit. Once you elimate the only weakness, its PS the game designers will have truly created the perfect unstoppable ship.

Look we all know the phantom is too weak right now. The 10 PS Echo is just not enough. I say give it +1 more attack and +1 more defense, +1 more shield, that would really help it That way one of the hardest ships in the game (Glass Cannon that everyone refers to) can become even more defensive and impossible to hit. It just makes sense