people who want a Boba Fett toy are not going to look at the details, thats why this matters as opposed to Descent leaders. People who buy this thinking the model is in the box are going to be very disappointed. is that the experience FFG is looking for?

What Johnnyb815 said

People wanting to buy a boba fett toy will pay 40$ for a large box, instead of 10$ for the smaller box also featuring him on the cover? Also ... 40$ for a small plastic figure .. I think you are streching here.

Are you talking to me? I basically just agreed with Johnnyb815 (the reply prior to mine) who said that it made fine/more sense to have the minifig of Boba in a separate blister than having him in the more expensive de luxe expansion (which would "force" people who just wanted him but not the rest)

I think that we are agreeing. I am certainly 100% positive and in favor of the way they've decided to do things

Again, I think people are missing the fact that, from what has been released so far, no one knows what the back of the box looks like.

The only well known, named characters in this box are C3PO, R2-D2, and Boba Fett. As mentioned earlier, it's Star Wars, so FFG knows it will sell regardless, but are people more likely to pick the box up to begin with if they see 1) unknown Stormtrooper, 2) C3PO/R2-D2, or 3) Boba Fett? Boba Fett, obviously.

It's on the consumer to turn the box over (which none of us have seen), and check the contents before purchase (which FFG is really good about including). If the box said "Boba Fett mini inside" and there wasn't, then THAT is misleading/false advertising.

I believe they addressed both interested parties (those that wanted Fett in the box and those that wanted him to buy individually). If FFG had not announced the Fett pack at the same time as the box set, I can see the gripe of the OP. In this case, everyone should be relatively happy.

Is everyone not going it all anyway?????

As soon as my FLGS takes preorders, I'm buying everything.

I doubt it will reduce sales. We're talking Star Wars here and FFG knows this.

And this is the crux of the whole thread... It's hard to keep the fanbois down. I own the game, I love the game. I just think the price of everything but the base is a little heavy and that was my main point and would like a little more value for the cost.

Considering how little you really get for $10 these days pretty much anywhere, I'm happy with the prices. I never spend money on FFG products and feel like I've wasted my money.

I think the OP has a valid point. It's not just like Boba is on the box, he takes up the majority of the cover...by himself. It sure looks like he should be included. A redesign of the box wouldn't hurt.

The next issue though would be if you read the text on the box, I'm guessing it will make reference to the fact that the entire thing is based around Han and the droids going to Tatooine....and none of those characters are in the box either.

However, any half way intelligent person is going to look at the contents listed on the box which I'm guessing will tell you that it's an expansion for IA, and what it contains.

Beyond all that, the people that are going to be buying it are all people that own IA, know how the system works, and if they have any functioning brain cells, they should know what they are getting themselves into. I doubt a lot of FFG/SW/IA fans are buying these products without knowing the contents months ahead of time.

If this were a game we were expecting to see on a walmart shelf, the OP would have a very valid concern, but we're talking a hobby shop/comic book store product purchased by usually well informed buyers.

Considering how little you really get for $10 these days pretty much anywhere, I'm happy with the prices. I never spend money on FFG products and feel like I've wasted my money.

Your significant other might think differently.

Totally not a concern, since I'm single.

Considering how little you really get for $10 these days pretty much anywhere, I'm happy with the prices. I never spend money on FFG products and feel like I've wasted my money.

Your significant other might think differently.

We trade shoe purchase receipts for game store ones.

It usually works out evenly.

Everybody's complaining for the wrong reason. It doesn't matter what's on the box art, EVERYTHING unique should be in the box, and EVERYTHING non-unique should be a figure pack (with, say, one group worth of figures and two or three groups worth of tokens in the box), as it should have been in the core set and wave 1. Expecting people to buy FOUR COPIES of the boxed product (the last one just for the sake of a fourth non-elite deployment card!) to get a full playset is ridiculous.

They should sell uniques separately, but I really wish they'd include a well known figure in every boxed set. The core has luke and vader. Twin shadows should have boba fett by the art. Give the character packs a unique sculpt if needed. Wouldn't be the first time main character have been resold in different versions. Heck give them different deployment cards.(well that would break the uniques in a box rule, but it'd be a cool way to add value to the character packs)

Mostly I'm annoyed because the character packs offer very low value if you don't play the skirmish game. They should include a side mission focused on the characters and make a tile or two that's unique. I'd feel a lot less like I'm paying $10 for a $0.10 piece of plastic since the cards don't mean anything to me.

If you paid attention to the core box, it was actually the core set with figure packs included... Vader TECHNICALLY isn't part of the core set, but is on the box.

Technically.

Everybody's complaining for the wrong reason. It doesn't matter what's on the box art, EVERYTHING unique should be in the box, and EVERYTHING non-unique should be a figure pack (with, say, one group worth of figures and two or three groups worth of tokens in the box), as it should have been in the core set and wave 1. Expecting people to buy FOUR COPIES of the boxed product (the last one just for the sake of a fourth non-elite deployment card!) to get a full playset is ridiculous.

They should sell uniques separately, but I really wish they'd include a well known figure in every boxed set. The core has luke and vader. Twin shadows should have boba fett by the art. Give the character packs a unique sculpt if needed. Wouldn't be the first time main character have been resold in different versions. Heck give them different deployment cards.(well that would break the uniques in a box rule, but it'd be a cool way to add value to the character packs)

Mostly I'm annoyed because the character packs offer very low value if you don't play the skirmish game. They should include a side mission focused on the characters and make a tile or two that's unique. I'd feel a lot less like I'm paying $10 for a $0.10 piece of plastic since the cards don't mean anything to me.

The Ally/Villain packs do include a side mission or set of agenda cards (at least in the first wave). I'd expect that trend to continue. Some of the packs (Han and Chewy) included new reward cards for those side missions. We haven't tried any of the new side missions yet but I assume they include the characters from the pack to get that miniature into play.

What we think about the prices is irrelevant: go make some comparison with the rest of the market. Almost all miniature based board games are cheaper than this with the same or higher quality of minis.

And yet I'm ok with it since it's an expensive franchise... I'll try to keep up buying the stuff as long as they keep up the quality.

But when I say this kind of baiting tricks won't do good for the future of the game, I'm not baseless. Yes it's true it'll make them more money in the short term. If this is your concern, keep up supporting it.

Yet what I care for is their long term profit, cause I want them to keep up releasing expansions longer. But a vast majority of gamers have limited game budgets and when they realize a company isn't acting budget friendly, they tend to quit as soon as possible.

Hope I could make myself understood.

Almost all miniature based board games are cheaper than this with the same or higher quality of minis.

Speaking as a miniature tabletop gamer, IA is fairly cheap for what you get. 40k, Flames of War, Warmachine/Hordes, ect... All charge more per unit and sometimes more per model.

But a vast majority of gamers have limited game budgets and when they realize a company isn't acting budget friendly, they tend to quit as soon as possible.

If there's one thing FFG has proven is they know how to produce products that people want to buy. X-Wing for example is the 2nd highest selling miniature line out there, after 40k. I don't worry about the longevity of IA in the least. Consider that they're using the same pricing they do for Decent 2e, and that game doesn't seem to be suffering any. I don't think we have much to worry about.

Again the idea that someone is going to swear off all FFG games because they bought Twin Shadows and had a fit because it didn't include a Boba Fett model is so unlikely as to not really matter.

Honestly, I fail to see any issue here.

Fett is probably a big part of the campaign story, hence is why he is on the cover. This is a game, and we are provided a Fett token to play this campaign - it is not like the game is unplayable without buying the expansion.

It is being sold this way to satisfy both kinds of IA players. Campaign players can play their campaign for $40 and the skirmish players can pick up Fett for $10. What is the model really doing for you in the campaign? We've been playing with tokens in campaign already for months with little to no complaints.

it is not like the game is unplayable without buying the expansion.

Exactly...

Does the miniature make the game better? Sure, but it isn't like you have an incomplete experience with what's in the box. Which is why the idea that this is false advertising is such nonsense.

you're not forced to buy the expansion pack to play the game. If you were then there would be justification to that claim, but there isn't, because you don't have to.

Honestly it's like people complaining because they test drove a car with all the options but then get upset because they found out that all those options make the car more expensive.

Almost all miniature based board games are cheaper than this with the same or higher quality of minis.

Speaking as a miniature tabletop gamer, IA is fairly cheap for what you get. 40k, Flames of War, Warmachine/Hordes, ect... All charge more per unit and sometimes more per model.

Warhammer, Warmachine, etc. are not board games... Well this is the internet and guess it's someone's job to always reply out of context.

Again the idea that someone is going to swear off all FFG games because they bought Twin Shadows and had a fit because it didn't include a Boba Fett model is so unlikely as to not really matter.

Twin Shadows box not including the main character of the plot is just a sign that the company wants to milk you. One may feel that a particular company is going to occupy more percent of his monthly gaming budget than its worth.

For example in computer gaming, "day 1 DLCs" used to be quite common, and now they aren't because gamers answered by not buying such games.

Again, I'm not saying this is going to happen to IA. But it is a factor worth considering.

I think the car anology fits pefectly here.

We all knew Boba Fett was coming. When I first saw the box art, I IMMEDIATELY assumed that this expansion was about Boba Fett, and that a Boba Fett miniature would be inside (This is a MINIATURES game after all). I was upset to find that he was only represented in cardboard. Then I saw that Boba was a separate mini to be purchased for an extra 12-15 bucks.. I was pissed. Don't plaster a prominent Star Wars figure on the cover of your box if you aren't going to include him inside as a mini. It's disingenuous and pretty sleezy.

For comparison, every single Descent 2E expansion box art contained a mini of the prominent figure shown on the cover. The main box art of the Imperial Assault core all included the figures shown on the front box art.

I think the best way to have gone about it was provide an alternate Boba Fett sculpt (and maybe cards, extra power or mission or something) for sale on their own, but include a regular Boba mini inside the expansion.

This is Star Wars. We know you're gonna milk the it for all it's worth, but don't advertise something on the box art that isn't included inside.

They should have put Boba in the box like they did with Vader and Luke and not sold him separately, increasing the price of this box by $10 or whatever imo.

However people who are going to buy this expansion are going to buy the ally and villain packs and FFG knows this. It's micro-transactions if you will brought to the board game world.

I think the best way would be putting the artwork of whatever is inside on the cover.

If the figures inside the box won't make the customers buy it - well, you've made a mistake.

Warhammer, Warmachine, etc. are not board games...

and that a Boba Fett miniature would be inside (This is a MINIATURES game after all).

So which is it? Is it a board game or a miniature game? I'm accused of taking something out of context. So does that mean everyone who is upset because this "miniatures game" is missing a mini is also taking things out of context?

You even liked that comment, yet he's clearly complaining about something that doesn't apply according to you... Because if we can't compare IA to Warhammer, then his whole argument falls apart.

but don't advertise something on the box art that isn't included inside.

Boba Fett is in fact included in the game, the model may not be, but the deployment card and everything you need to play the campaign with him is included.

However people who are going to buy this expansion are going to buy the ally and villain packs and FFG knows this.

And the people who only play the skirmish mode, can buy just the Boba Fett model and not have to buy the campaign box which does nothing for them. That saves them $40...

Imperial Assault is, for all intents and purposes, a Descent 2E reskin with some rule alterations. Descent 2E is a boardgame. However, FFG was not allowed to market Star Wars as a board game in their licensing agreement, and instead changed it to a miniatures game by adding on the skirmish mode and marketing it as such. Therefore, its safe to say that the description of IA as a miniatures game is in name only, so that FFG could abide with the Star Wars licensing agreement - so arguing over if its a miniatures game or board game doesn't matter. Imperial Assault = Star Wars reskin of Descent 2E.

The main topic here is that Boba Fett was the prominent and ONLY figure on the box art of the expansion. Given a general understanding that any product cover should be a representation of the product inside, and the fact that every single Descent 2E expansion included miniatures of the prominent figures displayed on their cover art, it is very unlike FFG to NOT include the miniature of Boba Fett with the expansion. This would not be an issue at all if FFG had simply provided box art representing figures included in the box.

I totally get that some people would only want to buy boba mini buy itself, and I have no qualms with FFG providing him as a standalone mini.

I agree with the title. The Box art IS Boba Fett. Nothing else. The Background doesn't even matter, you gotta put a background on there somewhere unless you want a white or one-coloured box.

The "problem" with FFG (and please mind those " " ) is that their products are so good that they get away with it.

Let me give you a few examples: Three games that do not come with enough dice:

• - X-Wing (Core box, not enough if one of three ships included fires at one of three range bands...come on.)
• - Edge of the Empire (Beginner Game, not an issue for me, see below)
• - Imperial Assault (focused tends to force rerolls on green die)

Why I am not that much bothered by that:

• X-Wing: you buy the second core game for Dice and models.
• EOTE: is an RPG so some people want their own dice anyway.
• Imperial Assault: well, you buy extra dice because it gets annoying to go searching for the blue dice that the Mak player keeps hogging.

But the Box Art literally IS BOBA. Finding out the Model is not included AFTER you buy the box sucks huge wookie balls . Luckily we know this. Lot of people will be very pissed. As someone said, it really feels like the shareware version of a game, and reminds me a lot of microtransactions.

So you see, I really dislike this part of their marketing strategy....will this stop me from buying it?

No.

As I said before, their "problem" is that they're (their products, support) good enough to get away with it. And if we give them money they will make more great games.

Untill the point in time when they get to big and too greedy and all the models in the box will be replaced with tokens except for the heroes. because you can still play this miniatures game with cardboard tokens /end sarcasm (that is only not called a board game because they don't have the rights to call it so)

And then they will go the way that all companies that make this mistake go...still alive but nobody wants your products anymore. And with Kickstarter being the board game printing machine that it is, such companies will not survive forever and a new better company takes it's place.