With Emon Azzameen now available, I wonder if we'll get the rest of the Azzameen family in future expansions. I remember the name from playing X-wing Alliance back in the day. For one, I would love to put a YT-1300 in a Scum build.

I'm playing that game right now. Don't tell League of Legends that I'm cheating pmit, thought.

So the design challenge: create a YT-1300 based on the stats for the Outer Rim Smuggler (2 attack, 10hp), that is interesting to fly, doesn't feel like the Falcon, like the YT-2400.

Now come up with a title for the Sabra that works across faction lines, but isn't broken on any of the pilots so far.

Note: I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm not saying I don't want it(!), but it _is_ a challenge to make the ship play differently, but not better or worse.

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/137059-sabra-title/

Oh wait, Pundit is already here

So Ace Azzameen as either an X-wing or YT-2000 pilot? Mkay as a crew?

So Ace Azzameen as either an X-wing or YT-2000 pilot?

Or both. Scum as a YT-2000 pilot, Rebel as... well, you could put him in just about anything, really. You fly most everything during the X-wing Alliance campaign.

So Ace Azzameen as either an X-wing or YT-2000 pilot? Mkay as a crew?

Nah, don't put him in Rebels. Keep the Azzameens as a scum group. There's plenty of potential there.

You can see my take on the family in the rulespack for my campaign event in July. (http://theblackorifice.co.uk/page.php?type=event)

Bear in mind the campaign is set in 1ABY so early days for Ace yet.

Cheerio,

Ben

(PS Some tickets are still available, but alas not the Azzameens)

They added a third faction therefore they will add a fourth and a fifth and a sixth and a seventh.

The Phantom and Fat Falcon dominated the metagame in Wave IV therefore every wave a new thing will break the game and dominate the meta.

Emon Azzameen is a pilot for the Firespray (a ship with rather few possible pilots and only two named ships for titling) therefore FFG must be planning to shoehorn the rest of the Azzameens in.

Emon is in Scum instead of Krassis because they wanted new Firespray title and Andrasta is pretty much the only named Firespray left. If anything, I'd say it makes Ace Azzameen an even less likely proposition. Emon blasting X-wings is one thing, Emon blasting his own brother's X-wing is another.

Short version is if the Azzameens are good pilots for the ships they're making, you might see them, but I can't see them going out of the way to "complete the set".

Nah, they're coming, and they're coming for Scum & Villany. YT-2000 with Ace, Otana title, possibly with a couple of YT-1300 crew cards for Ace and Aeron and titles for the Sabra & Selu.

Emon blasting X-wings is one thing, Emon blasting his own brother's X-wing is another...

That would almost be a compelling argument if Boba blasting Boba in S&V vs Imperial lists and Han blasting Luke in mirror matches weren't, y'know, already a thing...

No reason ace can't be both rebel in an x-wing and scum in the yt-2000 we have precedent for it now.

Hipothetically, FFG could release a YT-2000 for the Scum with the Otana title and release another large-base ship for the Rebels to even out the number of large bases between the 3 factions. That might be cool, I think.

Nah, they're coming, and they're coming for Scum & Villany. YT-2000 with Ace, Otana title, possibly with a couple of YT-1300 crew cards for Ace and Aeron and titles for the Sabra & Selu.

Emon blasting X-wings is one thing, Emon blasting his own brother's X-wing is another...

That would almost be a compelling argument if Boba blasting Boba in S&V vs Imperial lists and Han blasting Luke in mirror matches weren't, y'know, already a thing...

Mirrors are an artifact of the tournament rules.

Nah, they're coming, and they're coming for Scum & Villany. YT-2000 with Ace, Otana title, possibly with a couple of YT-1300 crew cards for Ace and Aeron and titles for the Sabra & Selu.

You speak with such certainty. The same certainty as the guy who's absolutely dead certain Smugglers and Spies Fourth Faction with all the turretbricks and the Lambda is in the works/

Do you have inside information we do not, or are you following the usual forum practice of stating wild speculation as fact?

I for one think it's far more likely that FFG intend to give turretbricks a rest rather than release yet another 1-3 primary YT.

Emon is in Scum instead of Krassis because they wanted new Firespray title and Andrasta is pretty much the only named Firespray left.

Krassis's Firespray had a name too: Indenture.

Mirrors are an artifact of the tournament rules.

It still happens. I notice you've conveniently ignored Scum Boba vs Imperial Boba and Scum Kath vs Imperial Kath.

You speak with such certainty.

That's because I'm certain. I'm absolutely, 100% certain we'll see FFG produce a YT-2000, and it won't be for Rebels, it will be for Scum.

I for one think it's far more likely that FFG intend to give turretbricks a rest rather than release yet another 1-3 primary YT.

You're welcome to your opinion. I disagree, but you're welcome to it.

That's because I'm certain. I'm absolutely, 100% certain we'll see FFG produce a YT-2000, and it won't be for Rebels, it will be for Scum.

And do you have any evidence or are you the type to cling to something you have no evidence to back up as incontrovertible fact?

Krassis's Firespray had a name too: Indenture.

Eh, fair enough. Maybe they just didn't want to match on all three pilots then. They matched Kath because Kath's actually a pirate that preys on Imperial shipping (Kath should not be Imperial) and Boba because he's obvious.

It still happens. I notice you've conveniently ignored Scum Boba vs Imperial Boba and Scum Kath vs Imperial Kath.

Is a match pitting a character against themself not by definition a mirror?

The alternative is not to reprint them. Kath should never have been Imperial in the first place and Boba Fett's Boba Fett. The Otana, however, I can't see as being particularly high on their print list. Unlike you I admit I could be wrong on this, but I think "ermahgerd more azzameens" is more this forum's tendency to assume absolutely anything FFG does is a floodgate opening.

Emon's the type to associate with shady elements. Ace? He's a fighter jock.

I think we'll see me eentually. The whole Emon blasting his brother isn't good enough reason to not add him in.

It's less reason not and more reason to. This is a ship centric game, not a pilot centric game. Take Ace in an X-wing. They won't think: "we want Ace, when can we release another X-wing", he'll be on their list of X-wing pilot names when they design a bunch more X-wing pilots. We have Emon not for the sake of having Emon but for the sake of having a bomber Firespray. When you think about it, what do we actually have from the flight sims that hasn't appeared elsewhere?

If we look at every EU ship in the game:
TIE defender, Z-95, EU staples. Defender looks very little like its original flight sim form nowadays. Both are in Empire at War.
E-wing: Dark Empire and bits of the now defunct Post Endor EU after that

HWK: Dark Forces, well established
TIE phantom: Rebel Assault II, Empire at War
StarViper: Shadows of the Empire, Empire at War

Scyk, Decimator: Star Wars Galaxies
IG-2000: Established EU ship, shows up in Empire at War
Outrider: Shadows of the Empire
Raider-class: Homebrew.

Pilotwise, Emon's the only one that's XWA only. Maarek and Keyan (the protagonists of the other two flight sims) are well established outside of them.

The Assault Gunboat, the TIE avenger, the missile boat? Where are they?

It's less reason not and more reason to. This is a ship centric game, not a pilot centric game. Take Ace in an X-wing. They won't think: "we want Ace, when can we release another X-wing", he'll be on their list of X-wing pilot names when they design a bunch more X-wing pilots. We have Emon not for the sake of having Emon but for the sake of having a bomber Firespray. When you think about it, what do we actually have from the flight sims that hasn't appeared elsewhere?

Of the non-film ships:

TIE defender, Z-95, EU staples. Defender looks very little like its original flight sim form nowadays. Both are in Empire at War.

E-wing: Dark Empire and bits of the now defunct Post Endor EU after that

HWK: Dark Forces, well established

TIE phantom: Rebel Assault II, Empire at War

StarViper: Shadows of the Empire, Empire at War

Scyk, Decimator: Star Wars Galaxies

IG-2000: Established EU ship, shows up in Empire at War

Outrider: Shadows of the Empire

Raider-class: Homebrew.

Pilotwise, Emon's the only one that's XWA only. Maarek and Keyan (the protagonists of the other two flight sims) are well established outside of them.

The Assault Gunboat, the TIE avenger, the missile boat? Where are they?

So your argument here can be summed up as "FFG likes Star Wars games, and produces ships that were in them".

You sound like you're trying to convince yourself, by the way.

No, my argument is FFG appears to mostly source from EU staples and beyond that from the same games, and XWA so far doesn't appear to be one of them. That's not a list of ships that appeared in the flight sims and the flight sims alone, it's a list of every EU ship in the game and some of the things it apppeared in.

My main point is that this is a ship centric game. They won't add the Otana in order to have the other Azzameens. If they add the Otana, they'll add it because they want the Otana. And again it's not a case of "why not make it" because every ship they make has the opportunity cost of not making another ship in that slot. They have the want to make the Otana more than they want to make other ships like the Hound's Tooth or Punishing One.

Assuming for the sake of argument that they do want to make the Otana, how would they make it a different beast to the Falcon (360 turret with good dial, middle group turretbrick), Outrider (higher agility turretbrick with turret mounted cannon and high maneuverability) or the Decimator (zero agility uberhealth turretbrick that don't dance for nobody)? Their previous MO suggests clone ships aren't something FFG likes to do.

I'm playing that game right now. Don't tell League of Legends that I'm cheating pmit, thought.

So the design challenge: create a YT-1300 based on the stats for the Outer Rim Smuggler (2 attack, 10hp), that is interesting to fly, doesn't feel like the Falcon, like the YT-2400.

Now come up with a title for the Sabra that works across faction lines, but isn't broken on any of the pilots so far.

Note: I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm not saying I don't want it(!), but it _is_ a challenge to make the ship play differently, but not better or worse.

I think you nailed it - how do you take a ship with a design that is highly derivative of one of the most recognisable Rebel ships and turn it into something that is distinctly Scummy and then back into a Rebel ship again.

If anyone can do FFG can of course.

My instinct though is that FFG will give it a wide berth - at least for now - FFG are hardly stuck for characters and there's plenty more recognisable Bounty Hunters to choose from - even if the ships themselves might be a little more obscure.

The lack of an extra sheet of cardboard in Most Wanted which could have allowed the Rebel YTs to cross over also seemed like a pretty big hint that YTs are going to remain a Rebel thing for the forseeable.

It might not make total sense from a narrative point of view - but good narrative doesn't always translate to good game design

Assuming for the sake of argument that they do want to make the Otana, how would they make it a different beast to the Falcon (360 turret with good dial, middle group turretbrick), Outrider (higher agility turretbrick with turret mounted cannon and high maneuverability) or the Decimator (zero agility uberhealth turretbrick that don't dance for nobody)? Their previous MO suggests clone ships aren't something FFG likes to do.

Simple - they use their imagination.

Giving the YT2000 a base firepower of 3 is a good start (the rest sans deci have base 2... even the falcon technically).

Natural boost option but no BR. 1 AGI, higher hull lower shields than YT1300 and. oh yes, DIFFERENT DIAL!

The Dial dictates how you play. How about no K turn or a really long one?

I can't see another faction coming. I can see Rebel Ace and scum ace, and I really do see scum YT2000. I can't see scum YT2000 not happening. (I can't see the XG-1 not happening either.)

Giving the YT2000 a base firepower of 3 is a good start (the rest sans deci have base 2... even the falcon technically).

Natural boost option but no BR. 1 AGI, higher hull lower shields than YT1300 and. oh yes, DIFFERENT DIAL!

The Dial dictates how you play. How about no K turn or a really long one?

I can't see another faction coming. I can see Rebel Ace and scum ace, and I really do see scum YT2000. I can't see scum YT2000 not happening. (I can't see the XG-1 not happening either.)

I'd see the YT-2000 as Primary 2 (turret), plus a cannon upgrade, torpedo slot and either two crew slots or a crew and a sensor slot. Not sure about the actions/dial boost but a 5 K-Turn and native boost would make it speedier than every other large ship class out there (stepping on the toes of the Falcon?). Maybe drop the speed one hard turns to give it a much wider turning circle.

As for differentiating it from the rest of the YT series, I seem to remember in X-Wing Alliance the YT's had a "defensive fire" mode for their turrets - maybe add some kind of mechanic where you can perform a FREE primary weapon attack at the first target which attacks you every round, but are then limited to using secondary weapons for your own attack.

Giving the YT2000 a base firepower of 3 is a good start (the rest sans deci have base 2... even the falcon technically).

Yeah, in practice none of them have base firepower of two.

The Dial dictates how you play. How about no K turn or a really long one?

No K turn? Decimator. Long K turns? Outrider and Falcon. Not that you K-turn a turret anyway.

Dial, how are you going to make it distinctly different from the Outrider and Falcon while still being true to the Otana?

maybe add some kind of mechanic where you can perform a FREE primary weapon attack at the first target which attacks you every round, but are then limited to using secondary weapons for your own attack.

I like the sound of that, would it be a title, or mod or a pilot ability do you think?

I like the sound of that, would it be a title, or mod or a pilot ability do you think?

Not sure, but I'd think a mod. An ability like that would probably need to come at the expense of something else (i.e. the use of Engine Upgrade, Tactical Jammers, Countermeasures etc)