Is the ISD medium and the MC80 large? Or is that just perspective in the pictures relative to the model?

Heh. Look at the size of the cards compared to the model. The ISD is LARGE, no worries.

Ok, so let's look at this practically.

Exhibit A

Exhibit B

We can see that the Victory SD takes up a fraction of a board that we know to be 3 feet, so using that ratio, its length comes out to be 102 mm, which is exactly what is defined in the rules as the length of a medium ship. So, Victory is medium. No problems there.

Now, in the other image, we also know the approximate size of the planet that the Imperial SD is sitting on. Using the mat as a guide, the planet is about 155 mm and that means the Imperial base is about 118 mm.

So the question becomes: is the Imperial SD base medium or large? The rules say a large base is 192 mm long. The base in the image I linked doesn't even come close. It's far closer to the medium base. Perhaps it is on a slightly modified medium base because the model is still unfinished. In any case, why would FFG sell us *large* ships at the same price point as mediums? They wouldn't.

The Imperial and the MC80 are mediums.

From the official Star Wars Armada Reference manual PDF:

SIZE CLASS

Each ship has a size class: small, medium or large. Small ships use the 41mm x 71 mm base, medium ships use the 61mm x 102mm base, and large ships use the 76mm x 192mm base.

• Thefollowingshipsaresmallships: ◊ CR90 Corellian Corvette

◊ Nebulon-B Frigate

◊ Gladiator-class Star Destroyer

• Thefollowingshipsaremediumships: ◊ Assault Frigate Mark II

◊ Victory-class Star Destroyer

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The Vic and MKII both cost the same at $39.95. The ISD will cost more (currently $49.99) than them. The ISD is also a larger ship than the Vic by all known accounts.

Thus the ISD and Mon Cal are both Large ships.

slightly modified medium base because the model is still unfinished.

This would be my bet. Notice how far off the edges the Imperial goes.

https://twitter.com/AdamJ360/status/578350277364871169/photo/1

It's already on a modified base that's larger than the medium that the Victory uses.

In any case, why would FFG sell us *large* ships at the same price point as mediums?

Or they don't want to charge an arm and a leg for people to get into the game and are relying on economies of scale to make up the difference. I mean pretty much every person who plays the game is going to want one, as opposed to the epic ships in X-wing which are niche items.

From the official Star Wars Armada Reference manual PDF:

SIZE CLASS

Each ship has a size class: small, medium or large. Small ships use the 41mm x 71 mm base, medium ships use the 61mm x 102mm base, and large ships use the 76mm x 192mm base.

• Thefollowingshipsaresmallships: ◊ CR90 Corellian Corvette

◊ Nebulon-B Frigate

◊ Gladiator-class Star Destroyer

• Thefollowingshipsaremediumships: ◊ Assault Frigate Mark II

◊ Victory-class Star Destroyer

--------------------------------------------------------

The Vic and MKII both cost the same at $39.95. The ISD will cost more (currently $49.99) than them. The ISD is also a larger ship than the Vic by all known accounts.

Thus the ISD and Mon Cal are both Large ships.

The MC80 costs exactly the same as the victory.

It's reasonable that the Imperial costs 10 dollars more than the Victory since its actual model is larger in every dimension.

But neither of these models comes close to the 192mm large base defined in the rules.

They are mediums.

So not to start arguments but let's look at the facts.

If you look at the pic of the Victory class on the product page next to the cards you will see there is a big difference compared to the new pic of the ISD.

Now I am old and suck at posting pictures in any timely fashion so if someone else can post a side by side you will see the difference. Otherwise I am also too old to argue over something silly like this. And No, there will be No SSD's! They would be almost as big as the table and weigh 10lb!

slightly modified medium base because the model is still unfinished.

This would be my bet. Notice how far off the edges the Imperial goes.

https://twitter.com/AdamJ360/status/578350277364871169/photo/1

It's already on a modified base that's larger than the medium that the Victory uses.

In any case, why would FFG sell us *large* ships at the same price point as mediums?

Or they don't want to charge an arm and a leg for people to get into the game and are relying on economies of scale to make up the difference. I mean pretty much every person who plays the game is going to want one, as opposed to the epic ships in X-wing which are niche items.

That image makes the Imperial SD look absolutely glorious.

The only way I could see it being called a large is if they plan to stick it on the large base and simply didn't do that for their demo purposes.

slightly modified medium base because the model is still unfinished.

This would be my bet. Notice how far off the edges the Imperial goes.

https://twitter.com/AdamJ360/status/578350277364871169/photo/1

It's already on a modified base that's larger than the medium that the Victory uses.

In any case, why would FFG sell us *large* ships at the same price point as mediums?

Or they don't want to charge an arm and a leg for people to get into the game and are relying on economies of scale to make up the difference. I mean pretty much every person who plays the game is going to want one, as opposed to the epic ships in X-wing which are niche items.

That image makes the Imperial SD look absolutely glorious.

The only way I could see it being called a large is if they plan to stick it on the large base and simply didn't do that for their demo purposes.

Dude, in that picture it is very obviously on a larger base than the Victory, and it dwarfs that base. If its on a bigger base than the Medium, and clearly needs an even bigger base... chances are it isn't a Medium ship. Its clearly a Large.

I mean pretty much every person who plays the game is going to want one, as opposed to the epic ships in X-wing which are niche items.

You have to imagine that in a year or two we'll start seeing "epic armada" ships to the tune of $100. But based on the last 6+ months of forum conversations, it seems like an unusually high number of people would be interested in (compared to epic xwing ships). Does that in turn indicate that armada is more of a nitch game, or that armada is really the star wars fleet game everyone has been waiting for?

See that is the problem with leaks from shows like these. We get a little info and everyone goes wild and FFG won't answer the questions becuase it is not publicly official yet. So we will have to wait for the Official announcement which might be weeks to clear up the non-believers. (or at least those holding on to all hope there will be SSD's just like X-Wing players holding on to hope the will be ISD's in X-Wing.)

The game is not even on the self which is frustrating enough without more fuel being thrown on the fire.

So not to start arguments but let's look at the facts.

If you look at the pic of the Victory class on the product page next to the cards you will see there is a big difference compared to the new pic of the ISD.

Now I am old and suck at posting pictures in any timely fashion so if someone else can post a side by side you will see the difference. Otherwise I am also too old to argue over something silly like this. And No, there will be No SSD's! They would be almost as big as the table and weigh 10lb!

The product page images are fairly meaningless, since it's all photoshopped together anyway.

We can do better than the product pages. We have images of these things in the wild in a way in which their sizes can be determined. I did that above. The base for the MC80 and the ISD are not nearly large enough to be "Large" as defined by the rules.

The only argument you could make is that the bases are not final and they will be moved over to larger bases when they are sold. Sure, maybe. But the actual evidence that exists suggests their bases are closer to medium.

I disagree with you whumples, yet you may end up being right. We will not know for absolute certainty till we receive official information and not just leaked photos.

If you still wish to pursue this than we can battle out this argument over a friendly game of Armada. Whatta ya say?

To quote an old deceased Imperial officer: "This bickering is pointless."

Not sure how this quote got all messed up. But it was:

" Dude, in that picture it is very obviously on a larger base than the Victory, and it dwarfs that base. If its on a bigger base than the Medium, and clearly needs an even bigger base... chances are it isn't a Medium ship. Its clearly a Large."

I already calculated the approximate sizes of the bases in a previous post. There is no need to speculate on "very obviously on a larger base". You know what the base length is? 118mm. Medium bases are 102. Large are 192 .

I disagree with you whumples, yet you may end up being right. We will not know for absolute certainty till we receive official information and not just leaked photos.

If you still wish to pursue this than we can battle out this argument over a friendly game of Armada. Whatta ya say?

To quote an old deceased Imperial officer: "This bickering is pointless."

Oh man, I am desparate for some Armada.

Which is clear when I start arguing about possible base sizes of unreleased miniatures. Sigh

Just a little longer

Funny thing is you know for a fact they mentioned at the con if they were medium or large bases. Would any of the Merchants there think to post what they are on? Nope, too much time in the lounge before the announcement to think of that.

Come on guys, you know us gamers well enough to know that was a $&37y thing to do. If you're going to tease us give us the **** info.

Yeah, the wait, the stress, the constant refreshing of forums to get the very latest speculation has driven all to the brink. Stress does funny things to a man.

Just two more weeks and hopefully we will be posting victory and defeat pics in this forum.

The Impstar and the Moncal cruiser are on large bases, when you look at them there is much more space between the legs and the front shield counter.

Not sure how this quote got all messed up. But it was:

" Dude, in that picture it is very obviously on a larger base than the Victory, and it dwarfs that base. If its on a bigger base than the Medium, and clearly needs an even bigger base... chances are it isn't a Medium ship. Its clearly a Large."

I already calculated the approximate sizes of the bases in a previous post. There is no need to speculate on "very obviously on a larger base". You know what the base length is? 118mm. Medium bases are 102. Large are 192 .

So you're suggesting they are going to put the Imp Star on a smaller base than what it shown.. a smaller base than what it already dwarfs? That makes sense to you? That more than half the model will stick out over the base they'll put it on? That makes absolutely zero sense, especially when they clearly have Medium bases available to them right now.

You have to imagine that in a year or two we'll start seeing "epic armada" ships to the tune of $100. But based on the last 6+ months of forum conversations, it seems like an unusually high number of people would be interested in (compared to epic xwing ships). Does that in turn indicate that armada is more of a nitch game, or that armada is really the star wars fleet game everyone has been waiting for?

That, is an interesting point. I'm going to wait and see after I've played a dozen 300 point matches if I think adding more would make the game better.

As someone who has played epic X-wing, it's something of a mixed bag.

It certainly seems like epic would be better in Armada, and there are the Executor and Viscount to provide ships that would work for it. We're also starting to talk about absolutely ridiculous map sizes as well. Well beyond normal tabletop sizes

Not sure how this quote got all messed up. But it was:

" Dude, in that picture it is very obviously on a larger base than the Victory, and it dwarfs that base. If its on a bigger base than the Medium, and clearly needs an even bigger base... chances are it isn't a Medium ship. Its clearly a Large."

I already calculated the approximate sizes of the bases in a previous post. There is no need to speculate on "very obviously on a larger base". You know what the base length is? 118mm. Medium bases are 102. Large are 192 .

So you're suggesting they are going to put the Imp Star on a smaller base than what it shown.. a smaller base than what it already dwarfs? That makes sense to you? That more than half the model will stick out over the base they'll put it on? That makes absolutely zero sense, especially when they clearly have Medium bases available to them right now.

This is a great point.

I don't know why they would bother making a base which is neither large nor medium as they defined it. Perhaps these models were created prior to the final decision on the base sizes. I am merely pointing out that what they showed in wave 2 are not the large bases they themselves described. The MC80 pretty much fits on a medium base and its the same price as the Victory. I think that's reasonable to think it may end up being a medium. Imperial, as you said, makes very little sense.

We can probably stop the debate about if ISD or MC80's are Large Base because we all know it will be large based, everyone who says otherwise is just trying to throw oil on the fire.

The important thing to take away from this is that ISDs are freaking massive! They look to be about 2x the size (a little less than) of the Vic. They are awesome! Can't wait to get them in my hands!!!!!

I love all of theses Wave 2 previews!

Personally, I hope the unique pilots are faction specific, whereas the generic pilots can fly for both factions.

Just to clear this one up. If you look at the photo, 4 of the ships are light (matching the rebel squadrons) and 4 are dark (matching the Imp fighters). I would say that is a clear sign that there are 4 ships for each faction: Rogues for the Rebels, and Villains for the Imps (which fits thematically if you think about it).

Personally, I hope the unique pilots are faction specific, whereas the generic pilots can fly for both factions.

Just to clear this one up. If you look at the photo, 4 of the ships are light (matching the rebel squadrons) and 4 are dark (matching the Imp fighters). I would say that is a clear sign that there are 4 ships for each faction: Rogues for the Rebels, and Villains for the Imps (which fits thematically if you think about it).

That was my reading too. Given there aren't really enough large scum capital ships to field a third faction, it makes sense that FFG would align them with either rebels or imperials like in X-Wing originally.

Honestly, I've had the same thought.

I want two behomeths, MC & ISD, duking it out with their respective supporting task forces skirmishing about between them. 10 squadrons of fighters per side at least. I want late arriving, critical reinforcements and a third party force struggling between it all, like an escaping civillian convoy, VIP on a ship in distress, or key jump point. Let's see a flanking force of VICs try to end run the MC while a squadron of CR90s bum-rushes the ISD. Stun me with the perfectly timed revealed command and shatter the promising assault with a completely unnecessary squadron command. Allow me to join my opponent in mutual horror because as one of our ships goes spiralling out of control through the middle of the battle, victim of a critical hit that changes everything. Show me the peripheral starfighter battle that spills over, where Wedge wipes out the TIE/Bombers about to let loose on the Nebulon-B whose shields have just gone out in time for it to land a critical blow on a retreating Imperial VIP. Leaving it all hang out, let's discover the nameless TIE/Ln squadron amongst the swarm that changes history by somehow landing the blow that sends Leia out an airlock.

I mean, C'MON!

... Ugh, I just made the wait so much worse for myself. Curse my fertile imagination!

Whew! after a build-up like that, I'm not sure any starship battle game could live up to expectations! That's my kind of game you're talking there!

Cheers

Mark

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Here is link to better picture:

https://twitter.com/hashtag/GAMA2015?src=hash