I think having a ISD in x wing is a whole different ball game than a SSD in armada. With the loose sliding scale of armada its much more likely we could see a SSD than trying to fit a ISD into the fixed scale of x wing.

But X-wing isn't a fixed scale either. The Tantive isn't 1:270 like the small models.

Per the rulebook, the play area is 3x4, or 3x3 if you don't have a 3x4 area. The deployment area is the same for both, with the 3x4 size having a 6" "no man's land" buffer on either side of the 3' deployment zone.

Per the rulebook, the play area is 3x4, or 3x3 if you don't have a 3x4 area. The deployment area is the same for both, with the 3x4 size having a 6" "no man's land" buffer on either side of the 3' deployment zone.

The play area is 3' x 6'. The setup area is 3' x 4'.

Per the rulebook, the play area is 3x4, or 3x3 if you don't have a 3x4 area. The deployment area is the same for both, with the 3x4 size having a 6" "no man's land" buffer on either side of the 3' deployment zone.

Not correct sorry. The play area is 3x3 for the learn to play game. The play area for the full game is 3 x6.

The "setup area" where you start the game is the 3x4 in the middle of the 3x6, or if playing the learn to play game, the entire 3x3 is the setup area.

I think having a ISD in x wing is a whole different ball game than a SSD in armada. With the loose sliding scale of armada its much more likely we could see a SSD than trying to fit a ISD into the fixed scale of x wing.

But X-wing isn't a fixed scale either. The Tantive isn't 1:270 like the small models.

That is true, but an SSD is 12x as long an an ISD, whereas an ISD is 128x the length of an X-wing fighter. So, if we estimate that the length of the ISD is 8" in Armada, and therefore the proper length of the SSD would be 8' long, that's still not as absurd as the 18' length that the ISD would properly be at the 1:270 scale of X-wing.

Even if the slope of the relative scale in Armada and X-Wing is the same (which we don't know), that matters. While it's obvious (to me) that any playable size ISD would be ludicrous in X-Wing, I think a playable size SSD would not be so silly in Armada.

Again, I don't have predictions on how playable it would be, but - in my mind - it's not as ludicrous as an ISD in X-Wing.

If they released one that was even 2' long I still don't see how you could deploy one on a 3'x6' table unless it was at the long end of the board. There would be no real tactics for the player... just blast everything you can before you get shot to death in the rear arch. I love the SSD in the movies... not so much for Armada.

X-Wing has a 12" ship that can deploy onto a 3x3, despite the narrow ban of the normal deployment zone.

Like you, I'm honestly not sure how much fun a ship like that would be in Armada. I certainly don't think movement it going to be its strength, but maybe it doesn't have to be. I don't think maneuvering is going to be as much a part of Armada as it is in X-Wing to begin with.

Getting back to the ISD for a minute, I'm really thinking we are going to see Grand Admiral Thrawn with the ISD expansion for two reasons.

1: The image of what appears to be a blue face on one of the cards shown with the ISD.

2: I was just looking at the in developement section For the Star Wars card game, the is a new expanson called Chain of Command. It features Thrawn. He is the cover art, and a quote of his from the Zahn trilogy starts the text.

I wonder what, if anything, this means for the new cannon? Since FFG has to get approval from the copyright owner for thier liscence, does approval of Thrawn trilogy characters mean they are still official? Just another point to ponder until Aftermath comes out.

I wonder what, if anything, this means for the new cannon? Since FFG has to get approval from the copyright owner for thier liscence, does approval of Thrawn trilogy characters mean they are still official? Just another point to ponder until Aftermath comes out.

They have Mara Jade in X-Wing and tons of other EU characters, so it's clearly not a problem.

Disney would be smart to bring Thrawn into the new canon, even if he has a different backstory than the one that was developed in the EU.

The more I think about it we will most likely see models on Epic size bases in the future but instead of a SSD it will be like the Raider, something designed for Armada's scale. The same goes for the Rebels, I don't even know of a bigger ship than the Mon Cal cruiser class.

I wonder what, if anything, this means for the new cannon? Since FFG has to get approval from the copyright owner for thier liscence, does approval of Thrawn trilogy characters mean they are still official? Just another point to ponder until Aftermath comes out.

They have Mara Jade in X-Wing and tons of other EU characters, so it's clearly not a problem.

Disney would be smart to bring Thrawn into the new canon, even if he has a different backstory than the one that was developed in the EU.

Agreed about Thrawn in the new cannon, although, if he has a different back story, would it still be Thrawn?

I didn't know that about EU characters in X-Wing, but then, I'm not an X-Wing player. At the time, I told a friend trying to get me into it: "Naw, I'd rather do fleet actions than that. Cool looking game though." A severe case of careful what you wish for.

Two questions ...

1. Is there a name yet for threads that go on so long that they inevitably devolve into arguments / discussions about SSDs?

2. Is there no ships of sizes between ISD and SSD that would better serve discussions about "epic" that wouldn't devolve into how the model would be as big as the table/room?

This is an internet thread, about Star Wars. I'm pretty sure the only thing more inevitable than the inclusion of SSD's is the comparison between those who oppose them and Nazis.

Two questions ...

1. Is there a name yet for threads that go on so long that they inevitably devolve into arguments / discussions about SSDs?

2. Is there no ships of sizes between ISD and SSD that would better serve discussions about "epic" that wouldn't devolve into how the model would be as big as the table/room?

1. Yes, its called "this thread has been SSDed"

2. What about MC90 Mon Remonda? shock, horror, rebels have the largest Cap ship that could fit in Armadas scale

Im not realy that interested in XL size ships. Id much rather have more dice colors , more tokens, more upgrades and balance wise well thought through squads, S ,M and some L sized ships. Id rather have a fleet with loads of options during building and on the table than one big sitting thing.

if its just about the model. lego has a very large SSD. Im not convinced it would fit in this games rules regarding movement tool size and weapon range templates.

Also did the CR90 realy add to x-wing? or did people think of it as to clunky? or did they want even bigger ships? i thought it was kinda breaking the upper limit of normal play, no?

earlier people wanted the interdictor to show up and they where talking about it beeing to large. i think the interdictor, at the same size as the ISD will most likely be in one of the upcoming waves which might have cool gameplay effects as well.

earlier people wanted the interdictor to show up and they where talking about it beeing to large. i think the interdictor, at the same size as the ISD will most likely be in one of the upcoming waves which might have cool gameplay effects as well.

The Mon Remonda was an MC80b which measured a whoppin 1200 meters long. The only MonCal ship that was significantly larger was the Viscount Star Defender and that was 17km long. (It did have a 3km long prototype tho...)

While I'd love to have a FFG model of that and the Executor, either one would require such a scale down as far as game mechanics that it'd take the fun outta fielding one on the table. Both I'd run once in a game (like my cr90 in X-wing) then permashelf em... In a really nice "spared no expense" case.

Maybe they are saving the large class for when episode VII comes out. As long as this new movie is better than failisodes I-III, I'm sure FFG will have more than sufficient new material to work with

This is an internet thread, about Star Wars. I'm pretty sure the only thing more inevitable than the inclusion of SSD's is the comparison between those who oppose them and Nazis.

Shall we call it "Vaders Law"?

This is an internet thread, about Star Wars. I'm pretty sure the only thing more inevitable than the inclusion of SSD's is the comparison between those who oppose them and Nazis.

Shall we call it "Vaders Law"?

The Bulwark Battle Cruiser is a rather large Rebel ship.

Don't worry it's in space so it's weightless

Technically, surely that's /almost/ weightless, since the affect of gravity decreases exponentially and can therefore never reach zero?

In the middle between two poles of gravity it can be just zero. Its an unstable equilibrium though.

new pictures about wave 2?

Is it likely that such a point exists, where gravity from every source in the universe perfectly cancels itself out? Genuine question.

The Bulwark Battle Cruiser is a rather large Rebel ship.

Serriously though, it is ugly as sin. Also only 2,500m compared to the Executor SSD's 19,000m.

The Bulwark Battle Cruiser is a rather large Rebel ship.

Have you seen that thing? Its own mother calls it ugly. It's like a whale mated with a Volkswagon bug that's into cyberpunk.

Serriously though, it is ugly as sin. Also only 2,500m compared to the Executor SSD's 19,000m.

Oh, come on. Sure, it's ugly, but it's ugly in such a way that it's cute - like a pug, in a way.

But to say it in a much more disturbing way:

I'd tap that.

...with my turbolasers.

It is rebel, after all.

It is rebel, after all.