Enhanced Scopes on double IG88s?

By Sixter, in X-Wing

Is there any merit to this upgrade when playing double IG88s? At PS6 you do get blocked a lot but at the same time you are vulnerable against any arc-dodgers that are PS7 and above. If you move at PS0 you at least know that you can make every single manoeuver you choose. In many cases you would actually be robbing the lower skilled pilots of actions as they bump you instead of the other way around. I have been thinking about this in context of IG88D and even Inertial Dampeners. You might say that you don´t need Enhanced Scopes since IG88D gives you the option of switching to a different S-turn template and Inertial Dampeners give you a "mulligan" when you would otherwise be critically blocked. What I´m thinking is that exactly because of those upgrades the opponent has no idea where you will move but you can just concentrate on making the moves you want. This way you have taken a lot of the initiative, you can become the master blocker while you can also reliably line your arcs up the way you want.

Any thoughts?

You can try it, but I would not put much stock in it. Advanced sensors negate the action loss and allows you to keep your action while doing a k-turn or s-loop (or boost prior to doing one of those, increasing available moves by a lot). In such a context, I would have a hard time using enhanced scopes.

I thought about it with Anti-Pursuit Lasers, but didn't think it would be anything beyond a fun build. I haven't thought about using Enhanced Scopes seriously. I can see how it could be fun, but I just can't see it being better than Advanced Sensors, Fire Control System, or even Accuracy Corrector.

But as with any idea, I think it needs to be tested to know for sure.

One of the primary methods of defeating an Aggressor is with blocking.

By making it a level 0 pilot, that is no longer an option for your opponent.

Sounds tasty.

One of the primary methods of defeating an Aggressor is with blocking.

By making it a level 0 pilot, that is no longer an option for your opponent.

Sounds tasty.

If you have Advanced Sensors, doesn't that mostly solve the blocking problem? Because whether you move first or last, you still get your action, but if they bump into you, you still can't shoot them whether you move first or not.

Enhanced scopes are cheaper then advanced sensors. Perhaps you could squeeze in a third ship?

If it weren't for advanced sensors, I'd be more excited about enhanced scopes. As it is, they sound neat and they've got some potential, and if you could really use the points elsewhere it's probably a (somewhat) viable replacement, but...

Being able to take an action before a S-loop or K-turn is huge. I think it will be hard to convince me to replace my advanced sensors.

At PS6, there are two types of ships you are facing, generics at lower pilot skill or elites at higher pilot skill (yes I know that there are some names at PS5/6, but they are the minority). Against generics, you can use advanced sensors to boost to avoid the block, or take another action and still be blocked. Once benefit to being blocked is that it's one less R1 shot at you. If you keep your action, blocking looses some of its sting. Against elites, you become the blocker, and a huge ship base blocks a lot of real estate. This becomes especially useful when running bombs, as you can keep your opponent in range. At my last SC, I kept Boba (scum) on a rock for 3 turns with careful blocking.

Enhanced scopes could be nice, but Advanced sensors is far better in my opinion.

One of the primary methods of defeating an Aggressor is with blocking.

By making it a level 0 pilot, that is no longer an option for your opponent.

Sounds tasty.

If you have Advanced Sensors, doesn't that mostly solve the blocking problem? Because whether you move first or last, you still get your action, but if they bump into you, you still can't shoot them whether you move first or not.

The reason that Blocking the Aggressor is valuable isn't the loss of action economy: it's the loss of movement.

I block, and therefore I have the rest of my fleet focusing fire on your flank. That evade token ain't gonna do you much good.

For that matter, I don't engage in an open area where your boost will be useful: I force the engagement to occur in the asteroid delta, rendering you paralyzed and eaten by ants.

Ergo, I like the idea of the Enhanced Scopes, even on 88C. I'm gonna have to try it out!

If it weren't for advanced sensors, I'd be more excited about enhanced scopes. As it is, they sound neat and they've got some potential, and if you could really use the points elsewhere it's probably a (somewhat) viable replacement, but...

The Aggressor becomes a much more lethal ship with a HLC instead of a Mangler. Those 2 points make up most of the difference.

If it weren't for advanced sensors, I'd be more excited about enhanced scopes. As it is, they sound neat and they've got some potential, and if you could really use the points elsewhere it's probably a (somewhat) viable replacement, but...

The Aggressor becomes a much more lethal ship with a HLC instead of a Mangler. Those 2 points make up most of the difference.

I'm not sure about that. The Mangler combined with the IG Gunner effect is scary. In situations that you'd normally not spend a token to take a single point of damage you now need to weigh the chances of pulling a nasty crit against the chances that you'll end up taking more damage and still having to pull that crit.

Edited by WWHSD

IG88 + Enhances Scopes + Tactical Jammer

38 pts

+62pts of other ships

Could be a way to include it as a single entity in lists that provides Utility (blocking), durability, and a 3 Dice gun. Maybe put a cannon on it for good measure. Back to the list builder to get some ideas...

Edited by phild0

I actually tries this awhile ago

It worked but not so well.

I found myself wishing I had either fire control systems or advanced sensors

Advanced sensors is a much better choice.

If you get blocked oh well, you still have your action anyway

If Enhanced Scopes said "may" then you could possibly have some edge case where they would be better than Adv Sensors, but yeah... I'll keep the Sensors, thanks.

If Enhanced Scopes said "may" then you could possibly have some edge case where they would be better than Adv Sensors, but yeah... I'll keep the Sensors, thanks.

Good point there. A "may" would make 'em a lot more flexible (though it'd probably also ramp up the price).