no way titles will be usable on other ships...

I don't think we'll see it to be honest. I'm not purist kind of guy but can you imagine the rage threads that will happen when you start putting down z-95's and say that one is the millennium falcon, that one is the outrider, that one is the Tantive 4, that one is a royal guard tie, that one is an A-wing test pilot, that one is the dauntless, and that one is slave 1 lol.

Depending on how the card is worded it could make sense. We know that some ships, like the Ghost in Rebels, for example can mask their signature. The idea here is that the ship would be modified as such, so that it sends out a false signal.

"Our sensors are picking up a YT-1300 freighter, it registers as the Millenium Falcon"...

"But that's impossible... the Falcon's docked right here! - someone sending out a false transponder code!"

Thematically it could work.

No it couldn't. The title represents that being a particular ship, like the Millenium Falcon instead of just any other YT-1300. That's why it gets the Evade action. Disguising yourself as the Falcon doesn't make you more evasive, and disguising yourself as the Outrider wouldn't cause your cannon to become a turret. If they were going to make an upgrade themed around disguising yourself as the enemy it would more likely grant some kind of defense bonus, like requiring attackers to be within a certain range before they can fire (because the disguise isn't as convincing up close).

I'm not sure which sounds more fun, giving all my A-Wings two modifications, giving all my Interceptors two Pilot Talents, or giving all my everything else system upgrades (and a 4 point discount).

Either way, I'm in. I just, uh, I just don't want everyone else to be able to do it, too.

I think about Wedge and Biggs somehow getting a hold of the IG-2000 title cards and see the game just breaking to pieces.

I don't think that would break anything. You don't want Biggs's ability being shared, as your opponent now has a choice of either Wedge OR Biggs. At least that's how I woudl interpret Biggs' ability if he were duplicated... you'd have to get AT LEAST one of them.

I think about Wedge and Biggs somehow getting a hold of the IG-2000 title cards and see the game just breaking to pieces.

How about on a TIE swarm with Dark Curse, Howlrunner, and Backstabber?

Dark Curse alone would be huge. I had not considered that. Well, mostly because I'm expecting something like this to be an illicit upgrade, so it woudl be restricted to Scum (At least for now).

Or Royal Guard TIE + engine upgrade + auto thrusters on any number of ships.

That is a good one. I think it should be a unique upgrade then... a few extra points to make ONE ship harder to hit isn't that bad.

no way titles will be usable on other ships...

I love this.

I think about Wedge and Biggs somehow getting a hold of the IG-2000 title cards and see the game just breaking to pieces.

I don't think that would break anything. You don't want Biggs's ability being shared, as your opponent now has a choice of either Wedge OR Biggs. At least that's how I woudl interpret Biggs' ability if he were duplicated... you'd have to get AT LEAST one of them.

Actually, the defender gets to choose which one can be shot at.

See, Biggs' ability isn't an infinite loop when copied, because it is contingent on you being able to target Biggs in the attack. The defender gets to choose which of the abilities comes into effect first, and then the other Biggs' abilities simply don't occur, as they can't be targeted by the attack.

It's a good combo, and ensures that you're still shooting with all of your dice when your fleet's eaten 12 damage.

This is a terrible idea, I appreciate where it is coming from and that is great but you thought everyone complained about the phantom before, imagine the griping if the thing could take vetern instincts and another pilot talent or Advanced cloaking and Stigium particle accelerator. Nevermind the damage that could be done if interceptors could take push the limit and Wingman, or worse Vader with Engine and Autothrusters. Just my 2 cents but this would be way overpowered, that being said it could be a hilarious upgrade to hand out if you were playing hunger games IMO anyway.

Agressors have it because IG88 is an android and all IG88S know the same information. The card would not make sense with other ships

I'm a huge (maybe the only?) proponent of a Rogue Squadron title being shared between the X-Wing and the E-Wing. I also think it would be fun if any titles for the YT series frieghters could be used on any of them. I've contemplated the fun of swapping titles on the A-Wing and Squint.

But things start breaking _fast_ if you allow any given ship to equip any given title.

Heavy Scyk A-Wings. Andrasta X-Wings. Dauntless (Any PS 1 ship). Virago Squints. X1 _anything_.

B-Wing /x1 + E2. *shudder*

I'm going to have to edit the original post to indicate that the new idea is to restrict it to an ilicit upgrade and make it unique. There have been multiple strong counters to the original idea and they are are valid. I think making it a 5 point unique illicit upgrade, would help balance it.

Still a terrible idea. It will forever constrain design on ship titles.

I'm a huge (maybe the only?) proponent of a Rogue Squadron title being shared between the X-Wing and the E-Wing. I also think it would be fun if any titles for the YT series frieghters could be used on any of them.

Yeah. Themed titles (the way some wargames allow "tiered" theme lists) is one thing...adding character and utility. I'm all for it. A 181st Title, Rogue Squadron, Black Sun, Binayre Pirates, cool stuff like that, absolutely.

But this? Just a free-for-all? Nope. Down that road lies only madness.

I could easier see "generic" ship titles as a means of fixing global issues. For example, a title that let any ship equip ordnance for a price reduction and/or not having to spend the focus/target lock would be a viable option on any ship that carries ordnance. But more IG-2000 type titles that "share" unique pilot abilities? No way. IG-2000 only works because there is a very small, fixed pool of ship abilities to mix and it's thematically feasible given that it's different versions of the same droid.

perhaps it is a title so there can be a different title option later.

Still a terrible idea. It will forever constrain design on ship titles.

Good point it certainly could. We definetley wouldn't want that.

I could easier see "generic" ship titles as a means of fixing global issues. For example, a title that let any ship equip ordnance for a price reduction and/or not having to spend the focus/target lock would be a viable option on any ship that carries ordnance. But more IG-2000 type titles that "share" unique pilot abilities? No way. IG-2000 only works because there is a very small, fixed pool of ship abilities to mix and it's thematically feasible given that it's different versions of the same droid.

This might be the best post of the thread. A generic ship title might be just what the doctor ordered. There are however, risks with that as well though. For example, suppose it's an ordnance-based title - well now your TIE Advanced x1 doesn't get the same benefit that your generic bomber gets. And hey, that's probably ok.... but if we give a title to every ship, then titles become very common. Is that ok? I dunno. Gotta wrap my head around that concept for a little while.

Great example of a solution to a problem that does not exist, that creates a problem itself.

False transponder codes are a good idea, thematically, but allowing access to other ship titles is just bananas. Fake transponders could have a variety of effects, like altering PS temporarily, preventing enemies from targeting you temporarily, etc., but just because you have the Millenium Falcon's codes doesn't mean your YT-1300 is anything special. 'Title' upgrades signify actual upgrades and modifications, not a license plate.

The title has just become FFG's mechanic for "fixing" issues with the game, generally speaking. Frankly, I'd rather they just errata the game and reissue updated cards than all this titles mess, but that's their perogative. To that end, titles are already fairly widespread and common. You will rarely, if ever, see an A-Wing without A-Wing Test Pilot and Chardaan Refit (technically not a title, but serves the same role more or less). You will NEVER see a TIE Advanced without an X-1 title once it comes out. Adding more basically requires a choice since you cannot (as yet) apply two titles. If they offered, say, the generic title for ordnance... it would be more applicable to a Bomber or Y-Wing perhaps, but you could still slap it on any ship with ordnance if you wanted to. It becomes a complementary piece that supports choices and creates new opportunities from old ships and outdated designs. Isn't that what's supposed to happen from these title/retrofit type cards?

The title has just become FFG's mechanic for "fixing" issues with the game, generally speaking. Frankly, I'd rather they just errata the game and reissue updated cards than all this titles mess, but that's their perogative. To that end, titles are already fairly widespread and common. You will rarely, if ever, see an A-Wing without A-Wing Test Pilot and Chardaan Refit (technically not a title, but serves the same role more or less). You will NEVER see a TIE Advanced without an X-1 title once it comes out. Adding more basically requires a choice since you cannot (as yet) apply two titles. If they offered, say, the generic title for ordnance... it would be more applicable to a Bomber or Y-Wing perhaps, but you could still slap it on any ship with ordnance if you wanted to. It becomes a complementary piece that supports choices and creates new opportunities from old ships and outdated designs. Isn't that what's supposed to happen from these title/retrofit type cards?

It's certainly used to fix ships, but it's not exclusively for that- The Virago, Outrider, and Dauntless all add build possibilities to a new ship, while the Andrasta and BTL-A4 add possibilities to an existing ship.

The reason it works well as a fix is that unless a title has a point cost, there's no opportunity cost to taking it, so old builds aren't invalidated by the title's existance- As opposed to, say, the B-wing E2 modification, which prevents you from taking any other modification.

It's certainly used to fix ships, but it's not exclusively for that- The Virago, Outrider, and Dauntless all add build possibilities to a new ship, while the Andrasta and BTL-A4 add possibilities to an existing ship.

Really, there are just 3 "fix" titles (A-wing Test Pilot, Royal Guard TIE, and TIE/x1) and 11 "add build possibilities" titles.

What if it were just a single pilot who had that ability? Lets say a Z-95 pilot with the ability "You may equip any one title to this ship, regardless of ship type".

now it's restricted to only a single pilot - and could be a fun ability.

It's certainly used to fix ships, but it's not exclusively for that- The Virago, Outrider, and Dauntless all add build possibilities to a new ship, while the Andrasta and BTL-A4 add possibilities to an existing ship.

Really, there are just 3 "fix" titles (A-wing Test Pilot, Royal Guard TIE, and TIE/x1) and 11 "add build possibilities" titles.

Of those, only X1 is a true "fix". Test Pilot and RGT give new options to the higher pilot skill pilots that you still have to pay for.

What if it were just a single pilot who had that ability? Lets say a Z-95 pilot with the ability "You may equip any one title to this ship, regardless of ship type".

now it's restricted to only a single pilot - and could be a fun ability.

If you have to keep on adding more and more restrictions, it might be a bad idea.

What if it were just a single pilot who had that ability? Lets say a Z-95 pilot with the ability "You may equip any one title to this ship, regardless of ship type".

now it's restricted to only a single pilot - and could be a fun ability.

So you would be ok with a headhunter flying around as Slave 1? Or the Falcon? OR A ROYAL GUARD INTERCEPTOR!?

Sorry man but that's just messed up.

What if it were just a single pilot who had that ability? Lets say a Z-95 pilot with the ability "You may equip any one title to this ship, regardless of ship type".

now it's restricted to only a single pilot - and could be a fun ability.

It could, but that could still get really weird depending on what titles come out later. Still, this is the best implementation of this idea so far.

What if it were just a single pilot who had that ability? Lets say a Z-95 pilot with the ability "You may equip any one title to this ship, regardless of ship type".

now it's restricted to only a single pilot - and could be a fun ability.

If you have to keep on adding more and more restrictions, it might be a bad idea.

Not always. A lot of perfectly balanced pilots probably started life as either incredibly useless or broken. Magic: the Gathering occasionally shows us what the early versions of cards was, and it's amazing what cards would have been broken if they hadn't done a bit of playtesting.

What if it were just a single pilot who had that ability? Lets say a Z-95 pilot with the ability "You may equip any one title to this ship, regardless of ship type".

now it's restricted to only a single pilot - and could be a fun ability.

But dude that's just.....weird.

So you would be ok with a headhunter flying around as Slave 1? Or the Falcon? OR A ROYAL GUARD INTERCEPTOR!?

Sorry man but that's just messed up.

It wouldn't REALLY be the falcon it woudl just be copying certain abilities.

Have you ever played The Force Unleashed? They had a droid named Proxy in there who could alter his appearance and fighting styles to mimic other opponents for Starkiller, such as Darth Maul, Obi Wan Kenobi, etc. If Proxy were turned into a pilot, it could seem appropriate that he intergrates his circuitry into the ship, to have the ship mimic another type of ship's capability.

Granted you coudl put him on a low cost M-3A Interceptor, and not give him an EPT - thus making him mostly useless - but it could be fun to play around with. Especially in the case of an M3A, because in that case you'd have to sacrifice the "Heavy SYCK" title to take a different one, so I doubt that particular situation would really break anything.

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A Virago on a YT-1300 would be very ouch, some ships were not meant to have Advanced Sensors.