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Any missile or torpedo that discards a target lock or focus.

CR 90

Yeah Epic ships seem to have trouble keeping their own in the point range. They get focused down too quick.

A bunch of the Astromechs fall into this category. R2-D6 should be free, between the opportunity cost of not taking a different Astromech and the point cost of adding EPT that droid has enough of a cost that it wouldn't become an autoinclude. Most of the unreliable droids could use a discount as well. If they were cheaper they might see some play.

Saboteur needs to be two points cheaper, always work, or not take an action to be worth taking.

Autoblaster Cannon is overpriced. It's almost expensive as an HLC. It needs to be about the same price as an Ion Cannon.

C-3PO + R2-D2 combined cost $90 retail. If you split that up, C-3PO costs about $60 and R2-D2 costs about $30. A bit overpriced!

On the plus side, you get a free CR90 Corvette when you buy those two cards together.

The autoblaster cannon is clearly overpriced. FFG admitted as much when they released the autoblaster turret at 2 points.

All torpedoes and missiles outside of Proton Rockets, Ion Pulse Missiles and Flechette Torpedoes are overpriced. They're simply too restrictive and don't deliver enough damage to be worth spending that much on.

Weapons engineer probably costs too much in standard player. On a corvette (and a raider, when it comes out), though, he's auto-include.

I like Outmaneuver on Vader. Really helps with his 2 Atk.

I like Outmaneuver on Vader. Really helps with his 2 Atk.

Actually yeah, I forgot about Vader

Vader's always struck me as a sh*tty Jake Farrel (after aces came out ofc), but with the coming of the Raider he's going to be quite a force to be reckoned with.

With his pilot ability already providing a better version of PTL and only 2/3 dice to modify (ATC guarantees a crit result), Vader should be able to use Outmaneuver quite effectively

Outmaneuver is good, I just don't think its 3 points good. At 2 points it would be right up there with Predator and PTL.

Upgrades I think should be free:

-Adrenaline Rush. It takes up the EPT slot and you discard it after one use. I think that's enough of a penalty.

-Enhanced Scopes. It has its uses, but is almost a downgrade when you think about it.

-Deadeye. This one is debatable, but since ordnance is already over-priced I could see this being a good candidate for being free.

-R2-D6. As mentioned before.

-Munitions Failsafe.

Elusiveness is one that should be only a point and even then it would be debatable to take. I think Daredevil is over-costed at 3 points as well. It has a huge penalty if you don't have boost, it costs an action, and leaves you stressed. It really only is useable on Tyhco. Vader can use it but he's got to take EU too. That's 7 points...

There are quite a few Astromechs that are too expensive. R2-F2, R5-K6, and R5-D8 come to mind.

Outmanuever is rarely going to see the light of day doing what it does and costing as much as predator/ptl

That is just because people are unwilling to branch out and try new things, rather playing what they've seen win. Let go of your crutches.

No, it's because the card is rarely a good choice compared to its direct competitors*. Blail Berg explained why much better than I could here. Long story short, though: Predator does a better job of increasing your damage and doesn't need you to do anything to activate it, for the same price. Outmaneuver offers no advantage, really, thus people don't use it.

* Double-EPT A-wings, Vessery and some other uses excepted.

Yeah, but just breaking the game down to numbercrunching is boring to me. I'm not going to munchkin my way into taking only what is most optimal. That way boredom lies.

Outmaneuver rewards flying, Predator rewards rolling a die. Anyone can roll a die. Apps roll dice.

Exciting isn't optimal. Make a three TIE Interceptor List. It will be exciting, it won't be optimal, but it will be exciting. Unless of course you fly against two Falcons, then it will just be depressing.

Upgrades that only work with something else (like Deadeye, Munitions Failsafe, Experimental Interface, R2-D6, B/2E etc) are the only ones that should even be considered making free. Anything else and then there is literally no reason to leave slots empty.

Really? Because I think triple Interceptors now may make things interesting against Falcons.

Outmanuever is rarely going to see the light of day doing what it does and costing as much as predator/ptl

That is just because people are unwilling to branch out and try new things, rather playing what they've seen win. Let go of your crutches.

No, it's because the card is rarely a good choice compared to its direct competitors*. Blail Berg explained why much better than I could here. Long story short, though: Predator does a better job of increasing your damage and doesn't need you to do anything to activate it, for the same price. Outmaneuver offers no advantage, really, thus people don't use it.

* Double-EPT A-wings, Vessery and some other uses excepted.

Yeah, but just breaking the game down to numbercrunching is boring to me. I'm not going to munchkin my way into taking only what is most optimal. That way boredom lies.

Outmaneuver rewards flying, Predator rewards rolling a die. Anyone can roll a die. Apps roll dice.

Exciting isn't optimal. Make a three TIE Interceptor List. It will be exciting, it won't be optimal, but it will be exciting. Unless of course you fly against two Falcons, then it will just be depressing.

Exciting can be optimal, it can be some new combo no one has considered or an old mechanic previously forgotten that happens to work really well against the new technology. It also has the potential to not be optimal. Exciting has no control over how effective something may or my not be, other than the fact that it can excite the passion for players to continue trying new **** and making it work through sheer effort.

Here's a concrete fact, though: "exciting" is subjective

Engine Upgrade - £20 on Ebay for just one!!

Engine Upgrade - £20 on Ebay for just one!!

We could almost buy our own ship for that!

Might as well buy another Falcon expansion for that price.

Engine Upgrade - £20 on Ebay for just one!!

We could almost buy our own ship for that!

I'm totally kicking myself for not coming up with that.

Hobo, you are and always have been, a flipping legend

Outmanuever is rarely going to see the light of day doing what it does and costing as much as predator/ptl

That is just because people are unwilling to branch out and try new things, rather playing what they've seen win. Let go of your crutches.

No, it's because the card is rarely a good choice compared to its direct competitors*. Blail Berg explained why much better than I could here. Long story short, though: Predator does a better job of increasing your damage and doesn't need you to do anything to activate it, for the same price. Outmaneuver offers no advantage, really, thus people don't use it.

* Double-EPT A-wings, Vessery and some other uses excepted.

Yeah, but just breaking the game down to numbercrunching is boring to me. I'm not going to munchkin my way into taking only what is most optimal. That way boredom lies.

Outmaneuver rewards flying, Predator rewards rolling a die. Anyone can roll a die. Apps roll dice.

Exciting isn't optimal. Make a three TIE Interceptor List. It will be exciting, it won't be optimal, but it will be exciting. Unless of course you fly against two Falcons, then it will just be depressing.

If you ask me I would rather be excited by a game rather then poor choices I make. Not that I'm impartial to playing fun lists based on themes; but if I had to chose upgrades, I would likely chose the ones least intensive to my builds. Outmaneuver is fun if a ship can reliably do that, but on many ships that can't do that I would likely rather use Preditor, or more likely nothing at all considering how fond I am of my Illcid tools.

That being said, as a scum player (Recent player, and decided to start buying when that came out) there are only two pilots that exceed skill level 7 unlike both empire and rebelion that generally have a skill 8 pilot per ship, so chances are I will almost never be able to use outmaneuver since there are a lot of ships that can out maneuver my ships with a barrel roll or a boost to deny the bonus. I just rather take something more reliable on those ships.

Outmaneuver is good, I just don't think its 3 points good. At 2 points it would be right up there with Predator and PTL.

Upgrades I think should be free:

-Adrenaline Rush. It takes up the EPT slot and you discard it after one use. I think that's enough of a penalty.

-Enhanced Scopes. It has its uses, but is almost a downgrade when you think about it.

-Deadeye. This one is debatable, but since ordnance is already over-priced I could see this being a good candidate for being free.

-R2-D6. As mentioned before.

-Munitions Failsafe.

Elusiveness is one that should be only a point and even then it would be debatable to take. I think Daredevil is over-costed at 3 points as well. It has a huge penalty if you don't have boost, it costs an action, and leaves you stressed. It really only is useable on Tyhco. Vader can use it but he's got to take EU too. That's 7 points...

There are quite a few Astromechs that are too expensive. R2-F2, R5-K6, and R5-D8 come to mind.

Enhanced Scopes would be good if you could choose what pilot skill you have, up to what is printed on the pilot card.

Daredevil would be wroth the cost if the didn't remove the card after use.

Outmaneuver is good, I just don't think its 3 points good. At 2 points it would be right up there with Predator and PTL.

Upgrades I think should be free:

-Adrenaline Rush. It takes up the EPT slot and you discard it after one use. I think that's enough of a penalty.

-Enhanced Scopes. It has its uses, but is almost a downgrade when you think about it.

-Deadeye. This one is debatable, but since ordnance is already over-priced I could see this being a good candidate for being free.

-R2-D6. As mentioned before.

-Munitions Failsafe.

Elusiveness is one that should be only a point and even then it would be debatable to take. I think Daredevil is over-costed at 3 points as well. It has a huge penalty if you don't have boost, it costs an action, and leaves you stressed. It really only is useable on Tyhco. Vader can use it but he's got to take EU too. That's 7 points...

There are quite a few Astromechs that are too expensive. R2-F2, R5-K6, and R5-D8 come to mind.

Enhanced Scopes would be good if you could choose what pilot skill you have, up to what is printed on the pilot card.

Daredevil would be wroth the cost if the didn't remove the card after use.

Daredevil doesn't discard after use. You're thinking of Adrenaline Rush.

Outmaneuver is good, I just don't think its 3 points good. At 2 points it would be right up there with Predator and PTL.

Upgrades I think should be free:

-Adrenaline Rush. It takes up the EPT slot and you discard it after one use. I think that's enough of a penalty.

-Enhanced Scopes. It has its uses, but is almost a downgrade when you think about it.

-Deadeye. This one is debatable, but since ordnance is already over-priced I could see this being a good candidate for being free.

-R2-D6. As mentioned before.

-Munitions Failsafe.

Elusiveness is one that should be only a point and even then it would be debatable to take. I think Daredevil is over-costed at 3 points as well. It has a huge penalty if you don't have boost, it costs an action, and leaves you stressed. It really only is useable on Tyhco. Vader can use it but he's got to take EU too. That's 7 points...

There are quite a few Astromechs that are too expensive. R2-F2, R5-K6, and R5-D8 come to mind.

Enhanced Scopes would be good if you could choose what pilot skill you have, up to what is printed on the pilot card.

Daredevil would be wroth the cost if the didn't remove the card after use.

Daredevil doesn't discard after use. You're thinking of Adrenaline Rush.

Thanks!