Hi guys, noticed there hadn't been much of a recap done by anyone on how the tournament scene went in Wave 5. Well now that it's over here's some data collected during those 3 months (exactly) and 137 tournaments:

Sorry about the screenshot of the spreadsheet, can't hit google docs from work... going to update it later with a link to a google doc. In the mean time,

Here's the Google Doc link , let me know if there's anything else you'd like to see. Cheers!

Edit: Some quick analysis:

Over 60% of lists were 3 ships or less, with 2 ship lists trending towards 50% of all winning lists.

Similarly over 50% of lists featured at least one ship at PS9 or higher.

Whisper was the named pilot with the most wins, definitely still a lot of turrets with Han and RAC in 2nd and 3rd though, not to mention Dash and then unsurprisingly Corran as well showing up high in the lists.

what type of tournaments were you collecting data from and what does "wins by pilot" signify? Does it mean that X% of winning lists contained that pilot?

Also, **** yeah Blue Squadron B-wings

and boo 2 ship 44% win rate...jesus that's skewed

what type of tournaments were you collecting data from and what does "wins by pilot" signify? Does it mean that X% of winning lists contained that pilot?

Also, **** yeah Blue Squadron B-wings

All tournaments I could find results on. Data is taken from xwing.macker.co

Wins by pilot is basically appearances in winning lists. So every time BBBBZ wins then Blue Squadron Pilot would get 4 "Wins".

what type of tournaments were you collecting data from and what does "wins by pilot" signify? Does it mean that X% of winning lists contained that pilot?

Also, **** yeah Blue Squadron B-wings

All tournaments I could find results on. Data is taken from xwing.macker.co

Wins by pilot is basically appearances in winning lists. So every time BBBBZ wins then Blue Squadron Pilot would get 4 "Wins".

oh interesting

so that's why they're so highly represented despite the 2-ship builds being clearly dominant

I was wondering for a second there which 2-ship build involved Blue Squadrons

Ya, I'll add one multiplied by point cost later that should even it out a bit.

Imperials only won 38% of their tournaments?! Looks like the Phantom Menace was overhyped and then badly disappointing!

So 2 ship builds are dominating? Very interesting

Imperials only won 38% of their tournaments?! Looks like the Phantom Menace was overhyped and then badly disappointing!

I guess they just weren't all that. Maybe they were overhyped, maybe there was already something far stronger and easier to use already in the game. But eh, we'll probably never know, right?

Imperials only won 38% of their tournaments?! Looks like the Phantom Menace was overhyped and then badly disappointing!

Well the Phantom was the ship with the 5th most appearances, only 1 behind the Falcon and then unsurprisingly behind Bs, Zs and TIEs, definitely wouldn't count it out there. Whisper was actually in over half of all winning Imperial lists.

So 2 ship builds are dominating? Very interesting

Very much so, less is more apparently in the tournament format.

Imperials only won 38% of their tournaments?! Looks like the Phantom Menace was overhyped and then badly disappointing!

i know in my area the imperials only represented about 1/3 of the lists so there were twice as many rebel players. which wouldn't surprise me if that's the case other places too

How did you determine win by ship?

So 2 ship builds are dominating? Very interesting

Very exciting to me! From a guy who has played for multiple Waves where 0% of tournament wins were 2 ship builds, this is pretty awesome. It means FFGs influence to "reduce the prevalence of the swarm" actually worked for Waves 4 and 5, well, until we saw BBBBZ earn its keep.

I DO think putting in a table that includes % of winning lists having at least 1 of a pilot/ship would be useful. The numbers and what not get a scewed a bit since you can't take 2 of each unique pilot and such.

And also, if you do something based on "pts spent", it's be nice if you included upgrades as part of pts spent for each pilot. As in, a 60 pt Han build means you spent 60 pts on Han (not just the 46), since many upgrades are honestly PART of the ship and its chance of winning, so pts spent on it matter, and should help even out pts spent on the upgrades unique pilots as compared to our generic pilots. I just don't think NOT including the upgrade pts as part of the ships cost actually gives us any interesting information. I also think showing % of pts spent per upgrade isn't all that necessary, if you were thinking of going that far. It isn't often that an upgrade gets too interesting, since so many ships have upgrades that basically define who they are.

I assume this is by absolute numbers, and not by points spent.

So 2 ship builds are dominating? Very interesting

Very exciting to me! From a guy who has played for multiple Waves where 0% of tournament wins were 2 ship builds, this is pretty awesome. It means FFGs influence to "reduce the prevalence of the swarm" actually worked for Waves 4 and 5...

Trust me, the shininess wears of real ******* quick

Given the way they track in this, and the fact that Blues, Bandits, and Academies travel in packs of 2+ or 3+, the "real" stars are Whisper, Han, Chiraneau, Dash. Unsurprised.

However, I will say that if you look at that list, the sheer number of ships and pilots represented is nice to see. While the list is definitely top heavy, it does show that a variety of lists have seen some success. I wonder, however, how much this changes once you pull back from beyond just winners and consistent top 4/top 8 finishers. I have a feeling that the popular archetypes would continue to show well and the outliers become more so.

How did you determine win by ship?

Win by ship is basically the same as pilots, # of appearances by a ship in a winning list, so a three Phantom list winning would give 3 "wins" for the Phantom.

I assume this is by absolute numbers, and not by points spent.

Ya, I'll add by point cost in tonight, just something I whipped up quickly over my lunch break. Maybe even wins by points spent on upgrades.

Yeah I'm going to lean towards way too much "PHANTOM IS OP!" hype. Hopefully we can stop hearing all the whiners about that as it appears they all flew 2 ship turret builds in response. This sounds like the same whining we heard when the Falcon was released and everyone flew swarms in reaponse...

I'd like to know how many of those 2 ship builds were playing 60 minute rounds versus 75 minute rounds.

Whisper and Han are definitely ranked. It does appear that FFGs desire to push up the PS level impacted the Academy TIE.

I wasn't surprised though that the Rebels won's nearly 50% more often than the Empire. I wonder if that will change with the new Auto-Thrusters and the TIE Advanced X-1

Whisper and Han are definitely ranked. It does appear that FFGs desire to push up the PS level impacted the Academy TIE.

I wasn't surprised though that the Rebels won's nearly 50% more often than the Empire. I wonder if that will change with the new Auto-Thrusters and the TIE Advanced X-1

It depends on how well Rebels adapt

As someone who absolutely despises turrets, I've been looking to control to counter these hyper-manueverable arc-dodgers instead. Now that we have lists such as Panic Attack popping up, I'm sure rebels are ready for the coming menace It just depends on how attached players are to their turrets

and I don't mean turrets will be auto-fail, I mean there will now be a sliding scaling of attachment to turrets versus their effectiveness rather than just easy wins:

[a player disappointed with turrets in the new meta will find something else] -->

[a disappointed player that mistakenly believes turrets are the only counter to arc-dodgers won't do very well] -->

[this guy loves playing turrets and has been playing turrets for ages and will probably eat Soontir's face with or without auto-thruster garnish]

Phantom overhyped? Look at what this really tells you: Whisper was part of 27 of 52 winning Imperial lists (51.9%) and 27 of 137 winning lists overall (19.7%). When the Imps won, more than half the time, it was Whisper in the driver's seat and nearly 1 in 5 tourneys were won by a Whisper list. This doesn't even account for Echo, who has 8 more appearances in winning lists. That's pretty great coverage for a single ship/pilot.

As much as I am encouraged by some oddball ships and the sheer number of ships, let's not overlook that the swarms, fat turrets, and phantoms are still exceedingly well represented in this data, which should be a surprise to no one.

Now, if the data is similar after, say, regionals when Wave 6 has had some time to spread it's wings, feel free to panic.

Does this data only include tournaments before the release of Scum or does it run after the end of February but just excludes tournaments with Scum lists?

Phantom overhyped? Look at what this really tells you: Whisper was part of 27 of 52 winning Imperial lists (51.9%) and 27 of 137 winning lists overall (19.7%). When the Imps won, more than half the time, it was Whisper in the driver's seat and nearly 1 in 5 tourneys were won by a Whisper list. This doesn't even account for Echo, who has 8 more appearances in winning lists. That's pretty great coverage for a single ship/pilot.

As much as I am encouraged by some oddball ships and the sheer number of ships, let's not overlook that the swarms, fat turrets, and phantoms are still exceedingly well represented in this data, which should be a surprise to no one.

Now, if the data is similar after, say, regionals when Wave 6 has had some time to spread it's wings, feel free to panic.

It doesn't appear to me that they are overhyped. Definitely strong contenders, including Han, Dash, etc... But for me I was noting the sheer numbers of B-Wings and Z-95. They seemed to have dominated this list of wins and the Imperials winning a little over 1/3 of the time.

Does this data only include tournaments before the release of Scum or does it run after the end of February but just excludes tournaments with Scum lists?

It includes data from Nov 26th to Feb 26th, so no Scum.

Here's the google Docs link for more stats, including Pilots by Points: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MseJemcFmogBVGPIyKtW_YqcBG21d8yIWE7TyO2jt38/edit?usp=sharing

Does this data only include tournaments before the release of Scum or does it run after the end of February but just excludes tournaments with Scum lists?

It includes data from Nov 26th to Feb 26th, so no Scum.

Here's the google Docs link for more stats, including Pilots by Points: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MseJemcFmogBVGPIyKtW_YqcBG21d8yIWE7TyO2jt38/edit?usp=sharing

These are some great stats. I will touch on them briefly in the NOVA podcast that we are recording, if you don't mind.

Does this data only include tournaments before the release of Scum or does it run after the end of February but just excludes tournaments with Scum lists?

It includes data from Nov 26th to Feb 26th, so no Scum.

Here's the google Docs link for more stats, including Pilots by Points: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MseJemcFmogBVGPIyKtW_YqcBG21d8yIWE7TyO2jt38/edit?usp=sharing

These are some great stats. I will touch on them briefly in the NOVA podcast that we are recording, if you don't mind.

Ya for sure, they're here to be used

Points Spent in Wins by Ship added, also changed from avg Point cost on ships and pilots to % Points spent on Upgrades