Just put him on ignore if you don't want to see what he has to say. Reminds me of another vehement and dogmatic poster. It's cute how passionate he/she is.

Dunno dun care-- child hood ruined

Why do some people persist in putting the responsibility for their happiness/unhappiness and quality of their childhood on someone else (in this case Disney)? One must be rather simple to let something as meaningless as this ruin one's childhood... now of course it may just be internet hyperbole, but it's still backwards and betrays dimness.

Oh, and until Filoni gives me a reason to care about "Rebels?" (Ahsoka's part in the story *might* begin to sway me...) That kiddie drivel and all of its accompanying novels, toys, and games will absolutely be consdered fluff in my dojo.

Peace.

Ah, faecal flotsam regurgitated from a child's mouth, yet again. Simpletons are fun, won't you agree?

If you don't like someone's opinion either engage with it politely or ignore it. Don't respond like that. Their post was how they didn't like a show. Your post is a distinctly unpleasant personal attack. Big difference.

Funnily enough, my wife could not really get into the movies. Neither the OT or the prequals, but she loves some of the stuff from the EU. Primarily the TOR MMORPG and the KotOR games. I think that's because she enjoys the Sith. The philosophy and the intrigue hits all the right beats for her.

Dunno dun care-- child hood ruined

Why do some people persist in putting the responsibility for their happiness/unhappiness and quality of their childhood on someone else (in this case Disney)? One must be rather simple to let something as meaningless as this ruin one's childhood... now of course it may just be internet hyperbole, but it's still backwards and betrays dimness.

Oh, and until Filoni gives me a reason to care about "Rebels?" (Ahsoka's part in the story *might* begin to sway me...) That kiddie drivel and all of its accompanying novels, toys, and games will absolutely be consdered fluff in my dojo.

Peace.

Ah, faecal flotsam regurgitated from a child's mouth, yet again. Simpletons are fun, won't you agree?

If you don't like someone's opinion either engage with it politely or ignore it. Don't respond like that. Their post was how they didn't like a show. Your post is a distinctly unpleasant personal attack. Big difference.

Ah yes, forum police. Their post was indeed a post about how they didn't like a show, and my post was a post about what I thought of that post, not a big difference in my opinion really, it's one person's opinion about the product of someone else... Obviously I went too far with the simpleton-comment for some sensitive people, seeing as FFG sent me a warning and all. So, I can vouch for the moderators actually doing their job

I just think it's too early to make a call on this question, because the new EU doesn't have enough content and probably won't until the ST gets rolling. And remember, some of the really old Legends stuff was just bad/strange. Splinter of the Mind's Eye anyone? Give them at least a decade before we start comparing the behemoth that is the Legends canon to the new novels/comics/games.

So far my take on the new EU and canon, we have a few comic stories out that are supposedly canon, and I am not digging them.

I am totally on board for a do-over with the EU and happy with the way Disney handled it. But these new comics, I feel, thrash my perceptions of Star Wars far more than anything else in the old EU ever did. Except maybe Dark Empire... I also never read Splinter of the Mind's Eye, so...

It's weird. In general the people who like something get on with it and have a good time. The haters however, in an almost religious fervour, HAVE to pop up in every positive thread, screaming about how s**t the subject matter is, shouting down all dissent. It's like they can't possibly entertain the notion that someone might like something they don't, and opinions must be changed dammit! It smacks of either immaturity, or insecurity.

I see plenty, and I mean LOTS of "this is crap because..." threads popping up, mostly in relation to the EU. The whipping boy used to be TCW, now (for some) it's Rebels. There's even one on the front page right now. For some reason I don't feel the need to jump into those threads, convince everyone they're wrong, and sprinkle light and positivity everywhere. Let them get on with it!

Would be nice to have the favour returned once in a while, but hey, I'm just a hopeless optimist.

It's weird. In general the people who like something get on with it and have a good time. The haters however, in an almost religious fervour, HAVE to pop up in every positive thread, screaming about how s**t the subject matter is, shouting down all dissent. It's like they can't possibly entertain the notion that someone might like something they don't, and opinions must be changed dammit! It smacks of either immaturity, or insecurity.

I see plenty, and I mean LOTS of "this is crap because..." threads popping up, mostly in relation to the EU. The whipping boy used to be TCW, now (for some) it's Rebels. There's even one on the front page right now. For some reason I don't feel the need to jump into those threads, convince everyone they're wrong, and sprinkle light and positivity everywhere. Let them get on with it!

Would be nice to have the favour returned once in a while, but hey, I'm just a hopeless optimist.

"Religious fervor" isn't off at all. This issue applies to science issues, politics, religion, etc... basically any idea that doesn't fit with their internalized ideas instead of being incorporated is fought against as if an attack on the idea is an attack on the person themself. The more internalized some ideas have become the harder it is for them to deal with new information rationally. Just look at the vehemence with which some people fight for these ideas, no matter how things are against them (Westboro Church, Anti-GMOs, Left-wing vs Right-wing, Climate Change Skeptics vs MCGW believers, Evolution vs Creationism, etc...).

Just put him on ignore if you don't want to see what he has to say. Reminds me of another vehement and dogmatic poster. It's cute how passionate he/she is.

You know, could be that it's just ErikB/Sylpheed/AluminumWolf under a new handle but up to the same old tricks.

I guess the litmus test would be if he admits to never having played the RPG and starts complaining about how Jedi in Force and Destiny aren't the overpowered demigods his beloved 'spees mahreens' should have been in the WH40K RPG line.

My gut tells me some of it might be better while much of it will be worse.

It's unlikely to be better if they keep using the same lousy authors...

Denning and Traviss are still on call?

Traviss told everyone to sit and spin, dont think she will touch anything Star Wars ever EVVVVER again. One could only hope though.

IMO Traviss should just stay away from settings created by other people.

She has a nasty habit of forming an opinion of matters in settings then ignoring anything in prior works in the setting which clashes with her viewpoint. I think her Halo books are if anything even worse on this front then her Star Wars books.

And her attitude towards fans who don't share her opinions is insane.

IMO You just did what you accused her of doing, please don't speak for an entire community, I have seen an equal amount of posts that are both for and against her making your comment about forcing her opinions on us null in void IMO. Oh and to be honest, I only recall reading her books on the Republic Commandos, it doesn't mean I haven't read more of her books, but those were my favorite.

But, you will have your wish with her as far as Star Wars is concerned, Lucas pissed her off, she ain't going to come back ;P

Okay, that's it, "Donovan Morningfire"...

Here's *your* personal attack: You are consistently behaving like a closed-minded, insecure idiot.

If anything even comes close to contradicting what you believe? It is obvious trolling. Your fear (which turns to anger) just leads you to behave in the most abysmal, a-hole-ish way possible. And the fact that others support your fear/hate-mongering? Unreal.

For the record, I am not another poster in disguise (which I guess would make you feel exonerated for your obnoxious behavior?); I am a professor with a background in both broadcast journalism and advertising. I have won numerous teaching awards and am a published author. I am in my early 40s, am in fairly good shape, and am blessed to still be pretty decent at this whole dating-thing.

I have been a Star Wars fan since I was 5 years old. There's a lot I like. And there's a lot I dislike.

Yet...

I do not have a ton of friends who really enjoy anything other than the films themselves. So I come to places like this to discuss my growing collection of EotE stuff, my newfound interest in the X-Wing Miniatures Game, and Star Wars in general. I have no desire to neuter myself in terms of voicing my opinions ... as long as I am not actively hurting anyone else.

Am I opinionated? Absolutely. Do I feel my opinion is the "right" opinion? Let me ask you this: Who doesn't feel his or her opinion is the "right" opinion? C'mon now...

But am I a "douchebag," a "troll," a "child," or any other name a lot of you folks have called me? Give me a break.

I am also a HUGE comics fan, and I have weathered the TOUGHEST forums from the late 90s to today. And if you folks get your panties in a twist because I seem to be the sole critic of a series (that IMHO deserves more criticism)? You need to get out more.

Some of my best friends have differing opinions on religion, politics, social behaviors, etc. Yet we can engage in (often spirited and somewhat sarcastic) debate without having to resort to name-calling. We just drink our beers, laugh it off, and end up talking about something else entirely after a while.

Fact: Name-calling is the last resort of the loser in any argument (e.g., "Well... Well... Well, you're a stupid-head!").

Finally, note I never started a thread entitled "REBELS SUX!!!" Instead, I have simply inserted myself into the conversations - as one is apt to do in a forum with multiple threads - that dealt with a show that has been driving me bonkers. I *also* contribute to these threads in positive ways as well - I have lent advice (to the best of my abilities), I have offered bits of trivia here and there, and I have shared personal anecdotes that could make the conversation a richer, more meaningful experience.

Yet some of you simply want to dwell on each post I have made about my dislike of the new show. So should I start dwelling on each and every thread on how the X-Wing is getting overlooked by all of the new X-Wing Miniatures ships? Or start dwelling on each and every post on what alien species should be given the spotlight in a new sourcebook? (I've stated a few times I would like to see the Devaronians in an EotE book.) The answer is... No.

I mean, who cares? Everyone has opinions, and those opinions are what form his or her personality.

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Me

I dig Han Solo, the Millennium Falcon, R2-D2, the Y-Wing, Boba Fett (mainly due to his action figure being the coolest when I was a kid), KOTOR, the X-Wing/TIE Fighter PC games, the original Zahn trilogy, the Ostrander Quinlan Vos/Clone Wars comics, the old Marvel Star Wars comics, Daley's Han Solo trilogy, and both the Tartakovsky- and Filoni-helmed Clone Wars series (much to my surprise, as I was none too thrilled with Episodes I and II).

I heavily dislike the vast majority of Star Wars novels *after* Zahn's original trilogy, the popularity of the Phantom ship (from a terrible video game) in X-Wing Miniatures, all of the insane levels of canon following the convoluted threads of the old EU, and "Rebels." Oh, and I have serious trouble with "fans" who believe "Star Wars = Jedi/lightsabers," with everything else being utterly superfluous. (Again, I grew up in a time when Daley's novels and the Marvel comics featured excellent stories with no mentions of Jedi, Sith, the Force, or even the Empire.)

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Honestly, at the age I am now? And with the experiences I've had on the 'Net since the late 90s? I don't generally care about getting into it with specific people(s).

But some of you are making that mighty tough.

If you don't like my statements, please either feel free to debate them or zip past them.

How does me stating my personal opinion on her writings somehow become me claiming to speak for an entire community? I specifically started my reply with the shorthand for In my Opinion. I never claimed to be speaking for the entire community.

Lot of fighting going on here lately. We all need some warm weather STAT!

How does me stating my personal opinion on her writings somehow become me claiming to speak for an entire community? I specifically started my reply with the shorthand for In my Opinion. I never claimed to be speaking for the entire community.

My gut tells me some of it might be better while much of it will be worse.

It's unlikely to be better if they keep using the same lousy authors...

Denning and Traviss are still on call?

Traviss told everyone to sit and spin, dont think she will touch anything Star Wars ever EVVVVER again. One could only hope though.

And her attitude towards fans who don't share her opinions is insane.

IMO You just did what you accused her of doing, please don't speak for an entire community, I have seen an equal amount of posts that are both for and against her making your comment about forcing her opinions on us null in void IMO. Oh and to be honest, I only recall reading her books on the Republic Commandos, it doesn't mean I haven't read more of her books, but those were my favorite.

But, you will have your wish with her as far as Star Wars is concerned, Lucas pissed her off, she ain't going to come back ;P

Um....I haven't seen anything about "And her attitude towards fans who don't share her opinions is insane." I looked a long time ago why her Republic Commando series wasn't continuing and it was all fan's begging her to write them and she stated the direction the Clone Wars cartoon was going messed up her story line and Lucas wasn't willing to work with. No where did I find where her attitude towards fans who didn't share her opinions. I will take a look and see if there was anything where she was rude to them. Ultimately she was a GM for her books, Lucas being the GM for Star Wars let it go another direction, so really fans are players in the game that are players in the game.

But yes, you spoke for fans when you stated things about her attitude towards fans opinions, Me being one of them since 1977 when I was 6. Do the math dude. starting a post with IMO means in IMO but be careful what you put in that post as you could accidentally cross into speaking for others.

I feel like I'm the only person in the universe who liked Dark Empire...

Yeah, chunks of it are hokey and it's altogether clunky and the monochromatic watercolors never quite jived with me. But the themes it explored through the return of the Emperor, his dark side theocracy and Luke's fall just hit the right Star Wars notes for me. Something about its slice of the Galaxy and the civil war felt less over-established or compartmentalized compared to lot of the novels in the mid-90s (like you were jumping into something much bigger than "Han tries to make Leia marry him" or "oh no! The Hutts are building a superweapon that doesn't work!").

About Karen Traviss and her opinion towards those who aren't fans of her take on Mandalorians...

A little bit of internet searching will turn up that she has been pretty scathing to those Star Wars fans that don't agree with her that her version of the Mandalorians are the greatest thing to happen to Star Wars and that the Jedi are trash, even going so far as to accuse those folks of being on the same level or even in league with Middle East terrorists, even the ones that thought that her efforts to flesh out the Mando culture were a good thing but thought she veered too far into making them a Mary Suetopia and the most "morally superior" faction in the history of the galaxy, and that anyone who met with Kal Skirata and his crew got sucked into that group in a manner not too unlike a cult, including a pair of Jedi that had been part of the Order since near-infancy, one of whom pretty much bailed on the Order to "go native" and become a Mando himself.

It only got worse during her work on the Legacy of the Force series, where a number of readers did not care for how hard she was pushing the "Mandalorians are teh awesomez!" or "Boba Fett is the second coming!" angles in the books she wrote. Then there was also the backlash over her being the author that killed fan-favorite Mara Jade (even Timothy Zahn, her creator and a generally cool guy that I've had the genuine pleasure to meet and chat with, was upset about that, though was enough of a class act to accept that it was a decision that was out of his hands), much as R. Salvatore got a lot of flack for Chewie's death in Vector Prime of the NJO series.

Personally, one of the few things I liked about TCW was that it deep-sixed Traviss' Clone Wars era works in regards to how Mandalore was as well as various logistic fallacies she'd introduced in her books, such as grossly underestimating the number of clone troopers and battle droids needed to fight a war on a galactic scale.

I feel like I'm the only person in the universe who liked Dark Empire....

The concept wasn't bad, and in my personal canon for the WEG campaigns that took place after those events, it wasn't a reborn Palpatine but rather a deranged clone that thought it was Palps reborn; did that mostly as having Palps survive the Battle of Endor would render Anakin's sacrifice moot, which didn't sit well with me.

I also treated the events of the first comic series as "broad strokes" and that things were embellished to make the overall story more exciting. The following comic series I just politely "ignored" as I felt they went too far into the silly/absurde end of things.

Dark Empire II was definitely out of tune, I will agree with that. And Empire's End I never even bothered reading, I took as much as I think I could from it through synopsis.

Still, the series did lay the groundwork for the Tales of the Jedi comics, which were excellent.

How does me stating my personal opinion on her writings somehow become me claiming to speak for an entire community? I specifically started my reply with the shorthand for In my Opinion. I never claimed to be speaking for the entire community.

My gut tells me some of it might be better while much of it will be worse.

It's unlikely to be better if they keep using the same lousy authors...

Denning and Traviss are still on call?

Traviss told everyone to sit and spin, dont think she will touch anything Star Wars ever EVVVVER again. One could only hope though.

And her attitude towards fans who don't share her opinions is insane.

IMO You just did what you accused her of doing, please don't speak for an entire community, I have seen an equal amount of posts that are both for and against her making your comment about forcing her opinions on us null in void IMO. Oh and to be honest, I only recall reading her books on the Republic Commandos, it doesn't mean I haven't read more of her books, but those were my favorite.

But, you will have your wish with her as far as Star Wars is concerned, Lucas pissed her off, she ain't going to come back ;P

Um....I haven't seen anything about "And her attitude towards fans who don't share her opinions is insane." I looked a long time ago why her Republic Commando series wasn't continuing and it was all fan's begging her to write them and she stated the direction the Clone Wars cartoon was going messed up her story line and Lucas wasn't willing to work with. No where did I find where her attitude towards fans who didn't share her opinions. I will take a look and see if there was anything where she was rude to them. Ultimately she was a GM for her books, Lucas being the GM for Star Wars let it go another direction, so really fans are players in the game that are players in the game.

But yes, you spoke for fans when you stated things about her attitude towards fans opinions, Me being one of them since 1977 when I was 6. Do the math dude. starting a post with IMO means in IMO but be careful what you put in that post as you could accidentally cross into speaking for others.

All I know is there were a lot of stories going around about her saying that fans who didn't like her works because of how she portrayed the Jedi should die. I suppose that might be an exaggeration but if it is even remotely close to being accurate then I stand by my belief that her reaction to people who disliked her works is crazy.

Dunno dun care-- child hood ruined

Why do some people persist in putting the responsibility for their happiness/unhappiness and quality of their childhood on someone else (in this case Disney)? One must be rather simple to let something as meaningless as this ruin one's childhood... now of course it may just be internet hyperbole, but it's still backwards and betrays dimness.

Oh, and until Filoni gives me a reason to care about "Rebels?" (Ahsoka's part in the story *might* begin to sway me...) That kiddie drivel and all of its accompanying novels, toys, and games will absolutely be consdered fluff in my dojo.

Peace.

Ah, faecal flotsam regurgitated from a child's mouth, yet again. Simpletons are fun, won't you agree?

Hey when I was a kid, cookie monster sang "c is for cookie, cookie for me, and he ate a plateful of cookies with crumbs flying everywhere" now he's all pc and health conscious "cookie is sometimes food, is sometimes now? Yes then he eats 1 cookie." He's not the COOKIE MONSTER anymore, it's ruined my childhood

I think Star Wars would have been better served by dispensing with "canon" entirely and just having Star Wars stories that used characters and settings created by George Lucas that may or may not have also agreed with each other on all points.

The smart way to handle continuity? Do it like Doctor Who does: continuity? What's that? . . . at least until the continuity serves the story. Otherwise, it's all canon and none of it's canon. How many times was Atlantis destroyed? 3 by last count. The Daleks have at least two origins (and have been wiped out just as many times), and there are two Loch Ness monsters. Whatever makes the story goes.

About Karen Traviss and her opinion towards those who aren't fans of her take on Mandalorians...

A little bit of internet searching will turn up that she has been pretty scathing to those Star Wars fans that don't agree with her that her version of the Mandalorians are the greatest thing to happen to Star Wars and that the Jedi are trash, even going so far as to accuse those folks of being on the same level or even in league with Middle East terrorists, even the ones that thought that her efforts to flesh out the Mando culture were a good thing but thought she veered too far into making them a Mary Suetopia and the most "morally superior" faction in the history of the galaxy, and that anyone who met with Kal Skirata and his crew got sucked into that group in a manner not too unlike a cult, including a pair of Jedi that had been part of the Order since near-infancy, one of whom pretty much bailed on the Order to "go native" and become a Mando himself.

It only got worse during her work on the Legacy of the Force series, where a number of readers did not care for how hard she was pushing the "Mandalorians are teh awesomez!" or "Boba Fett is the second coming!" angles in the books she wrote. Then there was also the backlash over her being the author that killed fan-favorite Mara Jade (even Timothy Zahn, her creator and a generally cool guy that I've had the genuine pleasure to meet and chat with, was upset about that, though was enough of a class act to accept that it was a decision that was out of his hands), much as R. Salvatore got a lot of flack for Chewie's death in Vector Prime of the NJO series.

Personally, one of the few things I liked about TCW was that it deep-sixed Traviss' Clone Wars era works in regards to how Mandalore was as well as various logistic fallacies she'd introduced in her books, such as grossly underestimating the number of clone troopers and battle droids needed to fight a war on a galactic scale.

Donovan, Can you send me the links you are talking about? All I came across were people that weren't fans of her's when I did a search for Karen Traviss Disrespecting fans.

Rouge, communication is about perception, I perceived you speaking for others is how I read your statement, you may have meant not to speak for other fans.

I can see one thing about That may or may not be going through her mind, people bashed her about her take on the Mando and she was tired of all fans of Star Wars whether they liked her or not getting in her face, (I am not speaking for her, just what may be going through her mind). R.A. in my is one of the best writers ever of his generation and him writing in that Chewie died saving lives pissing people off because R. A. killed him. Heros can and do die, it is supposed to break your heart when they do, they can't all be Wyatt Earp (yeah I miss spelled it) walking through a hail of bullets without a scratch to kill the bad guy. Wulfgar in the Companions series was killed by him, but people mourned Wulfgar for being killed and gave him a hero's send off, why not Chewie? Why didn't they get mad about Wulfgar, because they knew he died a hero's death and that Wulfgar was R.A.'s character to kill. Heros can and do die, whether it is SW or another book. Could it be that opinions are like arm pits, everyone has them and most of them stink?

I think Star Wars would have been better served by dispensing with "canon" entirely and just having Star Wars stories that used characters and settings created by George Lucas that may or may not have also agreed with each other on all points.

The smart way to handle continuity? Do it like Doctor Who does: continuity? What's that? . . . at least until the continuity serves the story. Otherwise, it's all canon and none of it's canon. How many times was Atlantis destroyed? 3 by last count. The Daleks have at least two origins (and have been wiped out just as many times), and there are two Loch Ness monsters. Whatever makes the story goes.

Desslok, I agree, but from what I read, and we all know that what we read on the internet isn't always true ;P...but Lucas supposedly vetted the writer's story personally, so this mislead everyone to think the books could be canon and caused confusion, and gave them permission to write the books. Star Trek (oh boy Star Trek on a Star Wars board LOL...here comes the whoop butt Osprey) actually has someone in charge of keeping canon straight and vets the stories written making those stories canon (this person reads the books and forces the author to make the proper changes and communicates to other authors afterwards that the need to research and bring their books into canon as they write.. Oh yeah, the new movies were bashed by Trekies and Trekers (a friend is one of them) when asked if those stories could happen was speechless. He said in the scheme of things yes due to alter universes being shown to happen in Star Trek. I do agree that Gene's outlook on the series he created is not what it is now, like the war like nature of the show that started during DS-9's run.

But I got off topic with that, Traviss, was under the impression that what she wrote was Star Wars canon, R.A. wrote Chewie dieing. Both got slammed for differing reasons and Traviss, possibly got tired of the fans bashing her for her input on the mando's and was mad at everyone that tried to approach her, possibly, or she really is a jack@ss, who really knows. R.A. is reportedly very nice guy, but people are mad because he killed a hero doing something dangerous.

Okay, that's it, "Donovan Morningfire"...

Here's *your* personal attack: You are consistently behaving like a closed-minded, insecure idiot.

If anything even comes close to contradicting what you believe? It is obvious trolling. Your fear (which turns to anger) just leads you to behave in the most abysmal, a-hole-ish way possible. And the fact that others support your fear/hate-mongering? Unreal.

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If you don't like my statements, please either feel free to debate them or zip past them.

I think your reaction is completely over the top here Harloc999.

On numerous topics you have been making inflamatory remarks about something people enjoy and like. You have put forward reasons for your dislike that fly in the face of your overall like of the SW universe and have been told this, but as always your taste is your business. Whether your dislike is "correct" or not is nobody's business and I am pretty sure everyone here would fight for your right to have an opinion whether they agree with it or not. However, in more than one other topic you have been getting into arguments over this.

A simple "I don't like it, because so and so" would have been an excellent point and no one would have taken this in stride.

Yet you chose again to take an inflamatory approach and call something people enjoy and like "That kiddie drivel" and then act all angry and misunderstood when people compare you to someone who used to do something like that all the time.

I am pretty sure you are doing this on purpose and have now done so in three seperate topics over the past few weeks. You seem have no intention of respecting others taste and delibaritely mock them all the while getting upset when you get a taste of your own bitter medicine.

People have tried to be civil about it and you have ignored them, you only fanned the flames of the angry reactions and deliberately sought them out again here.

Now, how would you call such a person???