Could you try to use less "you" and more "I" and "me"?

No, because the point of my comments was to show what can be learned from those books. So "You" fits better according to the audience. I fully appreciate that this was not the type of review you expected, but that does not mean i used the pronouns incorrectly.

Using "you" for "one" is common in English...using "one" is ancient.

Edit: I'll agree that usage makes it seem like an opinion is being imposed ("you will feel X about this"), but it's a pretty common mode of expression.

Could you try to use less "you" and more "I" and "me"?

No, because the point of my comments was to show what can be learned from those books. So "You" fits better according to the audience. I fully appreciate that this was not the type of review you expected, but that does not mean i used the pronouns incorrectly.

I think "Nowhere in the story is there anything that grabs you or makes you want to see more of a story about any of the characters" does not fit that explanation, nor does "shows an almost meaningless story shoe-horned around(?) 2 revelations that you don't even care about."

I am pretty sure you are asking for an English lesson which is fine but not on topic. You can proceed to Troll this line of communication or pretend to be on topic for the thread. Either way I am not going to bother to explain perfectly acceptable language that you are failing at perceiving correctly.

I think and have said previously it's going to be more of the same. Give it a few years and we will once again have a mix of great and horrible stuff all with a new gravy of contradictions poured over the top of it all.

Pretty much.

Right now, the main thing the new canon has going for it is it's less cluttered and there's less contradictions, but that's simply because there's a lot less material to keep track of. As time goes on, things will become more and more cluttered, though hopefully with the story group in place and planning to track things from Day One as opposed to playing catch-up, hopefully the clutter won't be too unwieldy.

But as for the quality of the product is going to be the same as it is with any other large franchise: YMMV. And with a fanbase that can be as acidic and derisive as the Star Wars fans can be, there's going to be a lot of variance on what's good and what's not.

Could you try to use less "you" and more "I" and "me"?

No, because the point of my comments was to show what can be learned from those books. So "You" fits better according to the audience. I fully appreciate that this was not the type of review you expected, but that does not mean i used the pronouns incorrectly.

I think "Nowhere in the story is there anything that grabs you or makes you want to see more of a story about any of the characters" does not fit that explanation, nor does "shows an almost meaningless story shoe-horned around(?) 2 revelations that you don't even care about."

I am pretty sure you are asking for an English lesson which is fine but not on topic. You can proceed to Troll this line of communication or pretend to be on topic for the thread. Either way I am not going to bother to explain perfectly acceptable language that you are failing at perceiving correctly.

It might be me being non-english that made me perceive this wrongly. Not trying to troll at all though so appologies if it came accross as such.

With new canon, orginal canon, EU canon, movie canon, ad naseum, to me it's become way too much of a chore for the average fan to even choose a version they like. It's hard to even know all of the differences on any given subject. Then, throw in how you might agree with EU canon on whether Stormtroopers are clones or not, but disagree with the same canon on when the E-wing was launched. It really becomes impossible (imho) to pick a version and stick with it without giving in on something you hold sacred. Thus, I stick with the movies (I can at least remember what happened in them) then pick and choose what I like from other sources. Less confusion, less stress, less memory requirements, and I end up with exactly what I like.

I resisted the urge to purposely go back and put in every grammar and spelling mistake I could come up with. I apologize for the ones that are there because it's been years since college, I'm forgetful, and I really don't care to ensure I have proper grammar, spelling, and word choice on an informal internet forum. If we both understood what the other was saying, that's good enough for me here.

I have read "A New Dawn", "Tarkin", and "Heir to the Jedi".

It is hard to say if they are better than EU/Legends stuff.

A New Dawn - Introduces you to Kanan/Hera from Star Wars: Rebels, but it doesn't really make you understand their characters on Rebels any more than watching the season 1 play out does. Is the story good? sure, but is it Zahn caliber? no.

Tarkin - Shows an almost meaningless story shoe-horned around 2 revelations that you don't ever care about.=, the Emperor's first name, and why Tarkin is how he is. Nowhere in the story is there anything that grabs you or makes you want to see more of a story about any of the characters. The one exciting thing is how it shows an Interdictor pop ships out of hyperspace and accidentally pops dozens of ships it didn't intend to.

Heir to the Jedi - A bit of an explanation about how Luke goes from knowing nothing about the Force in A New Hope to lifting things like in Empire Strikes Back. It is fun, but I also would rate this at Tarkin level.

After breaking them down, I think A New Dawn is the only one that has characters you want to know more about, more excitement and it feels like the best of the 3 so far.

Could you try to use less "you" and more "I" and "me"?

I think they're aiming for the impersonal "you", the equivalent to "one". As in "It introduces one to Kanen and Hera...". Personally, I'm all for bringing back "one" as the Impersonal Pronoun. I don't care if it makes me sound posh.

Using "you" for "one" is common in English...using "one" is ancient.

Edit: I'll agree that usage makes it seem like an opinion is being imposed ("you will feel X about this"), but it's a pretty common mode of expression.

One still hears it here in the UK from time to time. Indeed, I think it's actually making a comeback.

I am pretty sure you are asking for an English lesson which is fine but not on topic. You can proceed to Troll this line of communication or pretend to be on topic for the thread. Either way I am not going to bother to explain perfectly acceptable language that you are failing at perceiving correctly.

They're not trolling, they're a non-native English speaker and "you" as an Impersonal Pronoun has obviously slipped past their otherwise excellent English skills.

(mangled post)

Okay, back on topic, I'm not really familiar with the EU. Well, I live in it, but I don't think that's the EU that's being referred to here.

But I will say something based on my impressions of the EU and if I'm wrong people can correct me. The thing that the EU seems very, very prone to from what I've seen of it, is Power Creep. Also, Everyone's a Jedi syndrome. Now I'll re-emphasize that I don't have the familiarity to say if that's absolutely true, but it did seem the case from what I saw.

One thing that I liked about TCW and like so far about Rebels to a lesser extent, is that not everyone's a Jedi and not everyone is Superawesometastic. In the OT, Jedi were basically Luke and Obi-wan and they did cool things, but they weren't cartoon characters. The PT spoiled that to some extent, but it wasn't beyond repair. TCW stayed with the PT power-levels. Indeed, I think it upped them somewhat. But it kept everything else in proportion too. There were plenty of characters like Cad Bane and various clones who showed that there was more to it all than just Jedi. Indeed, I think of that scene where Ahsoka is being hunted down by clones and yes, she's supremely capable but she's also running for her life from clone troopers! And that's the point. It all feels balanced. EU, from what I've seen, has a lot of unbalanced and crazy nonsense in it. If they can wipe the slate clean and be a bit more careful this time, that may be a good thing. They can still promote the good bits from EU back into canon.

But I hope that doesn't tread on anyone's love for the EU. It's just the impression that I have.

Okay, back on topic, I'm not really familiar with the EU. Well, I live in it, but I don't think that's the EU that's being referred to here.

But I will say something based on my impressions of the EU and if I'm wrong people can correct me. The thing that the EU seems very, very prone to from what I've seen of it, is Power Creep. Also, Everyone's a Jedi syndrome. Now I'll re-emphasize that I don't have the familiarity to say if that's absolutely true, but it did seem the case from what I saw.

One thing that I liked about TCW and like so far about Rebels to a lesser extent, is that not everyone's a Jedi and not everyone is Superawesometastic. In the OT, Jedi were basically Luke and Obi-wan and they did cool things, but they weren't cartoon characters. The PT spoiled that to some extent, but it wasn't beyond repair. TCW stayed with the PT power-levels. Indeed, I think it upped them somewhat. But it kept everything else in proportion too. There were plenty of characters like Cad Bane and various clones who showed that there was more to it all than just Jedi. Indeed, I think of that scene where Ahsoka is being hunted down by clones and yes, she's supremely capable but she's also running for her life from clone troopers! And that's the point. It all feels balanced. EU, from what I've seen, has a lot of unbalanced and crazy nonsense in it. If they can wipe the slate clean and be a bit more careful this time, that may be a good thing. They can still promote the good bits from EU back into canon.

But I hope that doesn't tread on anyone's love for the EU. It's just the impression that I have.

What you said is the reason for how I am okay with the change they are making. I feel they are trying to bring us the most cohesive Star Wars Universe available.

The Legends Banner does not throw away the EU that many of us read growing up, but pulls it aside as a reference. Which is a great idea that will do a lot for the Property and for fans of different Generations. Lucasfilm Story Group is made up of people who are Star Wars fans. People like us who are in the unique position to really streamline the cannon. Their goal when it comes to the EU/Legends is to Mine it for the best parts, but not stifle the growth of new stories while keeping control of the Cannon.

I think they're aiming for the impersonal "you", the equivalent to "one". As in "It introduces one to Kanen and Hera...". Personally, I'm all for bringing back "one" as the Impersonal Pronoun. I don't care if it makes me sound posh.

When one uses the word “one” as the impersonal pronoun, one’s personal view is that it tends more towards the British “wanker” end of the spectrum rather than the “posh”.

I think they're aiming for the impersonal "you", the equivalent to "one". As in "It introduces one to Kanen and Hera...". Personally, I'm all for bringing back "one" as the Impersonal Pronoun. I don't care if it makes me sound posh.

When one uses the word “one” as the impersonal pronoun, one’s personal view is that it tends more towards the British “wanker” end of the spectrum rather than the “posh”.

I am also fine with being thought a posh wanker. It's always funny to see middle class guys from comfortable backgrounds trying to out-Working Class each other, imo.

Also, just to support the wanker end of the spectrum, your second use of "One" is incorrect. One should not use an Impersonal Pronoun to refer to a specific individual (personal view).

Well, I'm 3 or 4 chapters into Heir to the Jedi (a title that messes me up ALL the time, thanks to 25 years of reading Heir to the Empire) - so far, eh - not bad.

New Dawn was pretty good, if functional boilerplate to set up Rebels.

Tarkin was - Meh, whatever. But then he's never really been my favorite bad guy, despite loving the hell out of Van Helsing Frankenstein Peter Cushing.

The one I'm looking forward to: the Vader/Palpatine book. I've always loved getting looks inside the minds of those two.

My problem with the old EU is that there didn't seem to be anybody steering the ship. Lucas could barely keep an internally consistent story-line going inside of his movies, and even came right out an said that he didn't care about the books and comics and whatever. So (to me at least), the old EU, when viewed as a whole, starts to look more like an "and also" story told by a six-year-old who wants to make sure she gets EVERYTHING in there ("and there was a ballerina, but she was also a ninja, and she had a pet dinosaur"). *cough* death troopers *cough*

If Disney wants to come in and do a factory reset, I'm fine with it. As long as they take a little tighter grasp on the reins and provide a more unified vision than we've had in the past. Plus, anything that's really cool from the old EU (Mara Jade, for instance) can always be re-introduced to the new order.

/just my opinion. Yours may differ. And that's...o-kay!

cupajo,

For quite a while, there was nobody steering the ship, as individual authors were pretty much free to do as they wished.

The idea of a coherent Expanded Universe really didn't come into being until some point in the 90's, particularly when Timothy Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy really started drawing folks back into the franchise. By that point, there were the movies, a couple different TV shows (Droids and Ewoks), various other novels (Splinter of Mind's Eye and Han Solo Corporate Sector Trilogy), and WEG having created all sorts of fluff to flesh out their RPG books (with a lot of it simply taking concept art from the films and slapping a new name on it). But sadly, the effort was more of a "fix it on the back end," and thus lead to the problems you described.

Personally, I'm hoping that with the Story Team in place from the word go, it'll help keep the sheer number of contradictory elements to a minimum. I suspect we'll still see a few slip through the cracks (the Story Team members are human after all), but overall to coherency between films, novels, TV series, comic books, and other media should be much better.

Personally, I'm all for bringing back "one" as the Impersonal Pronoun. I don't care if it makes me sound posh.

Well sure, it makes you sound posh... but does it make one sound posh?

Star Wars has suffered from the same problem as Star Trek, Thieves World, Conan and pretty much every other multi-author shared world I have encountered. Some contributions are very good, some very bad, and few fans agree as to which are which.

I think Star Wars would have been better served by dispensing with "canon" entirely and just having Star Wars stories that used characters and settings created by George Lucas that may or may not have also agreed with each other on all points.

New Dawn was OK. It was kind of boiler plate but still felt like Star Wars. Rebels isn't bad for what it is. I would like to know more about the origin stories for the other characters. We get a pretty good look at Ezra's story over the series, but what about Sabine and Chopper?

Personally, I'm all for bringing back "one" as the Impersonal Pronoun. I don't care if it makes me sound posh.

Well sure, it makes you sound posh... but does it make one sound posh?

With practice, dear boy. With practice.

Star Wars has suffered from the same problem as Star Trek, Thieves World, Conan and pretty much every other multi-author shared world I have encountered. Some contributions are very good, some very bad, and few fans agree as to which are which.

I think Star Wars would have been better served by dispensing with "canon" entirely and just having Star Wars stories that used characters and settings created by George Lucas that may or may not have also agreed with each other on all points.

Amen. Preach it, brother.

Honestly, as someone who grew up with the OT as a child? And reading the Marvel comics, the Brian Daley Han Solo books, and playing the first edition of WEG's RPG? All while also enjoying the Atari 2600's Star Wars games? Well, I never really connected any of the media outside of the actual films as being truly canonical; the "extra stuff" just seemed like "extra fun."

When Zahn's Thrawn trilogy came onto the scene along with Dark Horse Comics' Dark Empire trilogy, I once more dove into the Star Wars universe with a passion. I even recall plowing through the X-Wing/TIE Fighter and Force Commander PC games. However, the property's newfound popularity soon began to wear on me, and I simply wasn't going to follow every single (mostly poorly written) novel and comic. So I just read what I liked, considering ALL of it to be fluff in the grand scheme of things.

But... A movement seemed to start with newer (i.e., younger for the most part) fans claiming the books were canon and that I - all of a sudden! - wasn't hip to what was *actually* going on in the Star Wars universe. WTF?!? Then I began noticing that each of the novels seemed to only be a small strand in a *tightly-wound* and neverending thread of convoluted nonsense... I was even less concerned with what was happening in the EU.

Yet the diehards were ever-present and had created a form of determining levels of canon. There was "G canon" and "C canon" and all kinds of other BS. It had all really grown out of control.

So I listened to what Lucas himself had decried as canon, which included material such as "Shadows of the Empire," "Republic Commando" on the XBOX and PC, "The Force Unleashed," and Tartakovsky's "Clone Wars" microseries. And I decided to steer clear of most of the other stuff unless it seemed truly interesting or didn't seem to conflict with other elements (e.g., "KOTOR," Crispin's Han Solo trilogy, and Ostrander's Quinlan Vos stories). Of course, later, Lucas revised some of this... For instance, only the new "Clone Wars" series was now canon in Lucas' mind. (Interestingly enough, he and Filoni then pulled in all kinds of content from other EU sources however.)

But really? I still never *really* considered anything truly canonical other than the films.

Growing up in the 80s, I felt Star Trek had handled this pretty well. With dozens upon dozens of Pocket novels that filled the gaps between "TOS" episodes and films, it became a blast to just immerse yourself in an 'imaginary' adventure on occasion. None of it was ever going to be pulled for inclusion in a Roddenberry or Bennett-helmed production! It was just *fun*. Now, those "Star Trek" novels are nigh-inpenetrable with their (a) ridiculous level of fanfic-like storylines (e.g., Borg merged with Founders, counselors becoming captains, a Ro and Quark romance, etc.) and (b) insane attention to strict continuity between books, which are labeled as parts of Season 8 or Season 9 or whatnot. They're the opposite of fun because so-called "fans" started taking it all too seriously.

Anyway, this post has gone on WAY TOO LONG. Needless to say, I don't give two flying f***s about a story team trying to tie all of this new Star Wars stuff together. It's bound to fray at the seams at some point...

Just have fun with what you've got. And ignore the rest.

And don't take it all so seriously. Geezus...

Oh, and until Filoni gives me a reason to care about "Rebels?" (Ahsoka's part in the story *might* begin to sway me...) That kiddie drivel and all of its accompanying novels, toys, and games will absolutely be consdered fluff in my dojo.

Peace.

Oh, and until Filoni gives me a reason to care about "Rebels?" (Ahsoka's part in the story *might* begin to sway me...) That kiddie drivel and all of its accompanying novels, toys, and games will absolutely be consdered fluff in my dojo.

Peace.

OK. We get it.

Dunno dun care-- child hood ruined

Why do some people persist in putting the responsibility for their happiness/unhappiness and quality of their childhood on someone else (in this case Disney)? One must be rather simple to let something as meaningless as this ruin one's childhood... now of course it may just be internet hyperbole, but it's still backwards and betrays dimness.

Oh, and until Filoni gives me a reason to care about "Rebels?" (Ahsoka's part in the story *might* begin to sway me...) That kiddie drivel and all of its accompanying novels, toys, and games will absolutely be consdered fluff in my dojo.

Peace.

Ah, faecal flotsam regurgitated from a child's mouth, yet again. Simpletons are fun, won't you agree?

Can we please knock it off?