Assigning the Wrong Dial to a Ship

By DR4CO, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Here's a question inspired by a game I played a little while ago: in the event a player assigns the wrong dial to a ship, does the difficulty of the maneuvers affect whether or not they are considered "legal moves" on the other dial?

Using the game that triggered the question as an example: my opponent assigned his E-wing dial to his YT-2400, selecting a 2-bank. On the E-wing dial this move is green, while on the 2400 it is white. In the game, we had the 2400 perform the white 2-bank and moved on, but after reading the FAQ again:

If a player assigns the wrong ship dial to his ship (for example, assigning a B-wing dial to an X-wing), when he reveals the dial he must inform his opponent of the error. If the revealed maneuver is a legal maneuver for that ship (for example, the revealed B-wing dial shows a green [straight 1] maneuver, a maneuver that also appears on the X-wing ship dial), it is executed as normal. If the revealed maneuver is not a legal maneuver for that ship (For example the B-wing dial shows a red [turn 1] maneuver, a maneuver that does not appear on the X-wing ship dial), the player’s opponent chooses which legal maneuver from that ship’s actual dial that ship will perform.

I'm not entirely sure that would be correct in a tournament situation, as the FAQ entry specifically mentions the difficulty of the maneuvers involved. However, it makes no direct example (ie. comparing the B-wing's red 4-straight to the X-wing's white 4-straight).

So, would the way my opponent and I handled the situation be correct in a tournament, or would the different difficulties be enough to hand the dial over?

Edited by DR4CO

I would probably handle it exactly as you did.

I don't see the maneuver's difficulty (color) affecting it's legality (unless you're stressed).

I stand corrected, as pointed out by DagobahDave below.

Edited by Klutz

I agree with Klutz. It seems you did the logical thing there.

I would have done the "fly casual" thing and resolved it the way the OP did (that is, let it slide). But a green 2-turn is not the same maneuver as a white 2-turn, and an unforgiving opponent would be able to choose a different legal maneuver instead. The core rulebook is clear about this: a maneuver is composed of the three elements of bearing, speed and difficulty (page 6).

Edited by DagobahDave

Just to reiterate, DagobahDave has the right technical answer: the difficulty of the maneuver does count. In practice, I'd probably resolve this the same way the OP did.

While the difficulty is part of a maneuver, it should not be considered for legality. Difficulty is about how easy or hard it is for a ship to perform the maneuver, not wether it can perform it or not. So if 2 bank appears on both dials, the maneuver is legal, no matter what difficulty it has on either dial. You then perform the maneuver with the difficulty appropriate for the ship.

Exact same thing happened to me in a store tourney, and I just let the guy do the maneuver. But I did tell him to make sure to get the dials right next time.

DR4C0, I would of done the same thing. Let the YT do the maneuver as it appeared on the correct dial.

Difficulty is about how easy or hard it is for a ship to perform the maneuver, not wether it can perform it or not.

Yes it is. A maneuver consists of 3 parts, and difficulty is one of them. So RAW the YT-1300 can not perform a Green 2 Bank, because all 3 parts count. The rules are very, very clear on this and not really subject to debate.

Edited by VanorDM

To be correct you'd have to check speed, direction, and difficulty and unless all are right your opponent has the right to have the ship perform any maneuver that would normally be legal for it.

Now the polite opponent would 'set' the dial to what you are actually trying to do but in the right color. This is only a courtesy and should NOT be expected.

Now the polite opponent would 'set' the dial to what you are actually trying to do but in the right color. This is only a courtesy and should NOT be expected.

In a tournament setting, the quoted sentence is a loaded comment - 'polite' has nothing to do with what should happen. Similarly, DagobahDave described an 'unforgiving opponent' who would stick to the rules.

Players should not be judged on how 'polite' or 'forgiving' they are/n't, if they're following the rules of the game.

If I assign an incorrect dial, I would expect my opponent to park me on a rock or fly me off the board. I will do the same to my opponent. We can both do it to each other, while still enjoying the game, with smiles on our faces.

(However, in most casual games, I will allow my opponent to move as they intended. Fly casual and all that goes along with it...)

Just as others said you handled it well

Where it would make a difference is let's say you had a tie bomber and assign a tie fighter a 1 straight using the bombers dial. Well tie fighters can't do a 1 straight

Now your opponent can select a "legal" maneuver for the Tie fighter

Edited by Krynn007

Now the polite opponent would 'set' the dial to what you are actually trying to do but in the right color. This is only a courtesy and should NOT be expected.

In a tournament setting, the quoted sentence is a loaded comment - 'polite' has nothing to do with what should happen. Similarly, DagobahDave described an 'unforgiving opponent' who would stick to the rules.

Players should not be judged on how 'polite' or 'forgiving' they are/n't, if they're following the rules of the game.

If I assign an incorrect dial, I would expect my opponent to park me on a rock or fly me off the board. I will do the same to my opponent. We can both do it to each other, while still enjoying the game, with smiles on our faces.

(However, in most casual games, I will allow my opponent to move as they intended. Fly casual and all that goes along with it...)

I guess mild sarcasm doesn't translate well. In this case I figured "polite" is going far above and beyond what should be expected. It could be used when teaching someone the game or even when training yourself to be better because you want your opponents to play better.

In a tournament setting or some other game with something more than just bragging rights on the line I'd fully expect someone to choose the worst possible maneuver. If that didn't happen I'd expect the opponent to be looking for some extra challenge and unfortunately that could even be seen as taunting.

Being totally frank, I think a forgiving response here is a matter of character, and part of what it means to fly casual. There's no rule that you have to fly casual, of course.

Being totally frank, I think a forgiving response here is a matter of character, and part of what it means to fly casual.

Speaking as someone who would give the forgiving response in the future (now that I know it is the forgiving response), I could not disagree more. I would not make any assumptions about an opponent's character if I made this mistake, and they took the dial and sent my ship straight off the edge. Even if it were just a casual game. What I would do is dope-slap myself for making the mistake in the first place and move on with the game. Or onto the next game, if that was my last ship.

Anyway, thanks for the replies, guys.

Edited by DR4CO