the title was a little strong, but is anyone else annoyed with how FFG scatters useful upgrades between ships and factions.

Like I have no intention of every buying either a Lambda shuttle or a Millenium falcon, but they come with some of the most useful upgrades in the game.

My local area just got into the game, and already I'm facing up against Han/dash, or IG-88x2 power lists. i've seen like 4-5 games and not a single X-wing was on a table.

I know people always say things are "viable", but that really has no real weight since that's a classic example of "special pleading".

sorry, i was liking X-wing because it was simple and intuitive. And, now it's way more complicated than I like and between a cajillion upgrades, make the game more convoluted.

I agree with you. Sadly this is the way it goes...!

the title was a little strong, but is anyone else annoyed with how FFG scatters useful upgrades between ships and factions.

Nope.

you must be one of the few that actually has a casual scene. My scene is mostly populated by Magic the Gathering "tryhards". Where spending $200-$400 on a deck is par for the course.

No.

It is only that way if you want to netdeck and not experiment with what you have.

yeah, there's a lot of net-deckers in my scene.

It depends how you play. Obviously for tournies and official games you need the cards, but for casual play a proxy suffices.

I have zero interest in anything other than the OT ships. I have not bought one and will not. As myself and my buds are casual, like minded gamers we proxy the upgrades we want.

Yeah, I'd love another pair of Engine Upgrades and some Autothrusters, but no interest in the ships they come with.

It doesn't bother me, but in fairness I can afford the toys. However, casual as others have said proxy whatever you want. Folks are already trying the spoiled cards from the Imp large ship.

On a note of pure pendantery, special pleading is when you try to allow an exception to an estabshed rule or fact on insufficient basis. The game as a whole, has shown to be very well balanced, so yes xwings are viable, though not against every list. How you fly has a lot more to do with winning.

A better example of special pleading would be the Ark Experience park Answers in Genesis is trying to build. They wanted to be for profit, and tax exempt. They can't be both and were rightly denied.

The cards usually come with the ship they fit best on in that wave. (People may counter with Fel and PTL, but consider Tycho and the card art on PTL).

Beyond that, all they could do is either sell cards separately (not viable because they'd need a lot of cards) or include a lot more cards in ships, which would lead to a lot of redundant cards.

While the business model definitely encourages additional ship purchases for reasons other than the ship itself, it's not as if there are that many alternatives.

There are. Just sell packs of card-sets separately.

Which would require them to design a lot more cards in order to make card pack releases sellable.

There are. Just sell packs of card-sets separately.

Would you pay $15 for a single card? Would you do so without screaming bloody murder?

There are. Just sell packs of card-sets separately.

Would you pay $15 for a single card? Would you do so without screaming bloody murder?

No, but I would pay $5-7~ dollars for a pack of 4-5 cards, even if I were only looking for one or two in particular from that pack.

I think it's a reasonable thought that customers be given as many purchasing options as is realistic to give them; most customers appreciate it more, and usually you will generate more revenue. For example, do you think C-3P0 motivates as many sales of the $90 ship as it would motivate the sales of a $5-7~ pack? I'm pretty skeptical that it does.

I think FFG knows better than most of us what's best for their bottom line. Any other rationale is purely self-serving entitlement from people who either can't discern between their own wants and needs, have no perspective what it's like to patronize other miniatures gaming companies, or both.

TL;DR: If you can afford it, buy it and be quiet. If you can't, learn to be happy with what you've got. You might learn an important life lesson in there somewhere.

and usually you will generate more revenue.

FFG has looked at it a number of times, and each time they come back with the same answer. It doesn't make sense for them to do so from a financial point of view.

Since the only people who actually have any data on the issue have said it doesn't work, then I take their word for it.

its like 20 for a falcon OR a shuttle at MM right now..

Buy the xpack for the card and sell the mini. Or learn to play strategy's that don't require those cards.

If I remember correctly, the first or second year Magic the Gathering was out you could put together a full deck of common cards, costing pennies a piece. With that deck it wasn't hard to compete with players who had dished out money for all the best cards.

Meh, it's better than random cards, anyway. At least this way you don't have to buy 40 expansions waiting for "Lone Wolf" to turn up; you just buy the one it's in and done.

A-bloody-men to that.

I still have never used my engine upgrade cards...

I still have never used my engine upgrade cards...

Sell them, hell I'd buy them. I've got a C3P0 i've never used, I keep thinking of selling it.

I use to be more annoyed by the way some cards were packaged with ships i didn't want, but I got over it. I either work around my limitations or I just buy the ship. The only way that it still bothers me is when you've only got one choice to get the card. I like how they included AdvS in the E-wing so rebels players don't have to but Shuttles, but I'm still wanting to see Engine Upgrade, Predator, and Tactician get included with another ship.

Team Covenant sells loose upgrade cards, but they're often sold out of the ones you'll probably want the most.

just be glad they aren't doing random booster packs and you have to buy a whole box with the hope of getting the 1 card you need.