Does Greedo cause a Critical hit if an Ion Cannon hits the target and his is on the firer's ship?

I would think not since ion says, Ignore all other results, but suffer one damage. If you have no shields and have to draw a damage card from an ION hit, does greedo trigger?

Had this happen in a game at the store last night, we diced for it and he did. But just wondering?

Thanks,

Dice results are cancelled but the defender will still be dealt a damage card if he has no shields

Greedo says that the damage card is dealt face up on the condition that it is the first attack that ship makes in a turn.

So yes - Greedo can deal crits from Ion damage provided those 2 conditions are met

Just noticed that this has also been covered in SableGryphon's excellent post which covers the many benefits and abilities that Greedo allows.

It's well worth a read

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/128409-greedo-explored-sables-proving-grounds/

Interesting.

Thanks,

This seems like a good thread to ask, as it came up last night:

I had Greedo on Dace Bonearm. Dace's ability reads, "When an enemy ship at Range 1-3 receives at least one ion token, if you are not stressed you may receive 1 stress token to cause that ship to suffer 1 damage."

After an attack against an undamaged Palob, I did one damage and dealt an Ion token. I then tried to use Dace's ability to deal an extra face-up card, but my opponent argued that Dace is effectively like the Vader Crew, and the extra damage dealt is not from an attack.

However, since the Ion token and the damage dealt are simultaneous effects, would it have been legal to reverse the order on this? Deal the token, then use Dace's ability to deal a damage (stripping Palob's sheild), then using the damage card from the attack to deal the critical hit?

This seems like a good thread to ask, as it came up last night:

I had Greedo on Dace Bonearm. Dace's ability reads, "When an enemy ship at Range 1-3 receives at least one ion token, if you are not stressed you may receive 1 stress token to cause that ship to suffer 1 damage."

After an attack against an undamaged Palob, I did one damage and dealt an Ion token. I then tried to use Dace's ability to deal an extra face-up card, but my opponent argued that Dace is effectively like the Vader Crew, and the extra damage dealt is not from an attack.

However, since the Ion token and the damage dealt are simultaneous effects, would it have been legal to reverse the order on this? Deal the token, then use Dace's ability to deal a damage (stripping Palob's sheild), then using the damage card from the attack to deal the critical hit?

I haven't thought this through before, so I reserve the right to be wrong, but I think your opponent was right about Dace's ability: it's not an attack, so it can't trigger Greedo. And I don't think Dace can interrupt the effect of the Ion Cannon Turret, because as it's written your opponent takes 1 damage and then 1 ion token. (It's also possible that they're a single effect--not "1 damage" and then "1 ion token" but "1 damage and 1 ion token"--but even in that case you still can't interrupt it.)

So I think you're stuck with the resolution you used at the table: the ions hit and strip a shield token, but Greedo can't be used because no card was dealt. Then Dace's ability does another point of damage, dealing a damage card, but Greedo still can't be used because the damage wasn't the result of an attack.

It's true that the damage Card dealt from Bonearm's effect isn't directly from an attack. But that seems not important for Greedo. "The first Damage Card dealt is dealt face up". That's a passive wording - it's not important what the source of the dealt damage card is. It hasn't to be directly from the attack.

Important is that it's during the first attack from the ship with Greedo. And Bonearm's effect happens in step 6 of the attack. And it Interrupts the ion canon between dealing the ion token and negating it's dice results.

It's true that the damage Card dealt from Bonearm's effect isn't directly from an attack. But that seems not important for Greedo. "The first Damage Card dealt is dealt face up". That's a passive wording - it's not important what the source of the dealt damage card is. It hasn't to be directly from the attack.

Important is that it's during the first attack from the ship with Greedo. And Bonearm's effect happens in step 6 of the attack. And it Interrupts the ion canon between dealing the ion token and negating it's dice results.

I can see it both ways.

The text for Greedo reads, "The first time you attack each round and the first time you defend each round, the first Damage card dealt is dealt faceup."

So from that perspective, I can totally see not allowing the damage from Dace to actually count. It's not really part of his attack, but is a separate outside source. However, the damage is dealt during Step 7 of the Combat Phase. It really comes down to whether the defender receiving the ion token and suffering damage are treated as two specific-yet-simultaneous events, and whether Bonearm can use his ability after one but before the other. I would think he could, much like how a Decimator could PTL off Ysana at the start of the combat phase, then a Wingman could clear that stress token, but I'll also admit it's murky.

I put in a rules clarification email, so hopefully we can get some sort of confirmation from FFG on this.

I'm all over the place on agreeing with bits from people on this one

I think Udo has it right for Greedo. It's during the attack, it deals a card, that card gets dealt face up. Greedo isn't limited to damage directly from the attack.

I think the order for the ion is fixed, though, and can't be changed. We typically read and do effects in the order they appear, and I don't think anything in the game is truly simultaneous.

However, the damage is dealt during Step 7 of the Combat Phase.

No. The ion effect resolves when the ship is hit. That's at the end of step six of the combat sequence. Step seven will do nothing because there are zero uncanceled dice, but that step did not start yet.

Dace resolves during the attack.

Rexlar's ability might make a good counterexample, in that it specifically references cards dealt by your attack. That may or may not be meaningful, but it's definitely different than Greedo.

One possibly important distinction. Greedo does not turn a "hit" result into a "crit" result. It just makes the 1st damage card become dealt face up. This is important for such items as Draw Their Fire or Autoblasters.

Rexlar's ability might make a good counterexample, in that it specifically references cards dealt by your attack. That may or may not be meaningful, but it's definitely different than Greedo.

But Greedo does exactly that:

The first time you attack each round... the first Damage card dealt is dealt faceup.

It's hard for me to read that as anything other than a reference to a Damage card dealt by an attack.

Although I think the wording leaves it unclear and needs an entry in the FAQ, I'm with Vorpal on this. I think that it is implied that the card affected is being dealt by the attacking ship and not from other sources.

The wording on Dace's card would seem to indicate that it is Dace dealing the card and not the ship that Greedo is on doing the dealing. If cards dealt by Dace's ability are affected by Greedo, cards dealt by the splash damage from Assault Missiles should be as well.

Relevant stuff:

From the X-Wing Rules Rage 19:

'Many card abilities use the word “you” to specifically reference that Ship card. Abilities on Ship cards cannot affect other ships unless explicitly specified by the ability.'

The text from Dace's card:

'When an enemy ship at Range 1-3 receives at least 1 ion token, if you are not stressed, you may receive 1 stress token to cause that ship to suffer 1 damage.'

Text from Assault Missiles:

'If this attack hits, each other ship at Range 1 of the defender suffers 1 damage.'

Not a great contribution as I can't look at any of the rules/cards right now, but how does Dace interact with ion torpedoes? If handing out the damage happens at the same time (i.e. before the stress is received), can he take on a handfull of stress tokens to give a damage to each of the ioned ships?

Not a great contribution as I can't look at any of the rules/cards right now, but how does Dace interact with ion torpedoes? If handing out the damage happens at the same time (i.e. before the stress is received), can he take on a handfull of stress tokens to give a damage to each of the ioned ships?

However, he'd be able to deal that extra damage to anyone that receives a token, as long as they are within range 1-3 of him.