They had a stranglehold in the mid 00`s with a wide selection of fun games and they threw it away by focusing on the main three.

I just wish they'd license out a few of their old titles

Just think what someone like FFG could do with Space Hulk - create some real depth and expansions rather than drag it out as a cash cow that they can milk every 5 years or so and completely ignore it in the intervening years

I second this.

A new modern Hero Quest, yes please

A new modern Space Crusade, hells yes, try and keep me away from that...

New BFG ships...

New Necrumunda...

That list goes on

After the Starfleet debacle well never see any of those, they did space hulk a 2nd time because they still had the molds from 2009.

Something else: I've seen a lot of glass case displays of various Game's Workshop figures, all painted and pretty. In my life, I _may_ have seen 5 games actually played. Maybe. I've long been interested in the games, but the idea of sitting down, building models, painting them, assembling various components, etc... That never interested me. Now I'm seeing a whole lot of prepainted minis games, that support some very casual "pick up and play" mindsets, with very little time investment before actually playing.

So if Game's Workshop _is_ worried, it's not going to be because their competitors are beating them at the wargames thing, but because their competitors have offered a whole new player base a whole new way to pay- and it's a business model in which Game's Workshop can't sell paint, glue, or... Whatever else they sell. That's not a problem GW can easily pivot away from.

This is my main position. I've got about 1000 points that I've slowed gathered and honestly look forward to painting and assembling... but I am so time poor... so it'll probably be another 6-12 months before I can actually play with them. It is as expensive as hell though. Even with X-Wing costing about twice as much this wave than it did previously (StarViper was $34!) it's a far more efficient buy.

The ultimate thing that shot GW in the foot for me, other than cost and time, is that they stopped making the Kasrkin models I liked! So I'm just kitbashing off eBay now.

After the Starfleet debacle well never see any of those, they did space hulk a 2nd time because they still had the molds from 2009.

Do you mean Dreadfleet?

they did space hulk a 2nd time because they still had the molds from 2009.

Despite promising that they wouldn't .... oh but they didn't because they errata-ed a rule or two and changed a miniature - so it's not really a re-release.

Like we are really that naive

But despite the not-really-a-re-release re-release of SH, they refuse to give it any support at all - forget any expansions, it is GWs policy to ban the playing of SH in their own stores!!!

It just seems like such a cynical money-grab to me - take the money and treat their customers with scorn.

After the Starfleet debacle well never see any of those, they did space hulk a 2nd time because they still had the molds from 2009.

Do you mean Dreadfleet?

Tablets autocorrect wins again, yes I typed dreadfleet and failed to notice the change.

I could write pages upon pages detailing all the problems with GW, but I won't as that would take me all day. I want to go back to the list as I'm really surprised that both Star Trek Attack Wing and D&D Attack wing made the list. I would not have called that at all, but rather I would have bet that Warhammer Fantasy or Flames of War would have taken those spots.

Good call on flames and fantasy.

That shows that many of us mins gamers just don't have the time to be building/painting models.

Not really that surprised that flames ain't on the list however, its not like you need to spend big in order to keep in the game most of my 90's flames stuff still sees time on the table

This really should be in Off Topic though if a mod could move it?

Oh, I don't know. The performance of the X-Wing game in the market seems on topic to me. After all, no performing, no game. No game, and I has a lot of sads.

Dammit quit talkin like I talk (type... yeah DAT!!!)!

The problem with D&D:AW is that they've seen a popular rule system and tried to squeeze their fluff into it, rather than designing a system appropriate to their fluff.

To be fair, they did far better work at adapting D&D than they did with Star Trek.

Huh, I feel like thematically they did well by a lot of things in Star Trek Attack Wing, but just really missed the boat on making a balanced, or even remotely sane, game. Then just by being WizKids they manage to screw up so much stuff in business, production, and not needlessly making everyone angry every month or two. Much in the same way Werner Herzog loves the nature, I like STAW against my better judgment. It makes me really sad if it's being surpassed by dragons though.

I just got back from a Tournament in Orlando. X-Wing was the redheaded step child. There were 22 of us, there were probably 150+ kids playing with dragons.

I do not know anything about 40K but the guy that came in second was an ex-40k player. He told me the game was ridiculous and on its way out, X-Wing may have very minor kinks in it but I think it is a perfect game, great for competitive play.

I cannot stand D&D: AW. Dragons are aerodynamically implausible. Makes me freaking crazy. The only way they could possibly work is if they were giant hydrogen gas bags, and even that rubs me the wrong way. Dragons...grumblegrumble. If they want to have non-airplanes or non-starfighters, use birds of prey. They're beautiful and intelligent and incredible fliers. Let's face it, Peregrine Falcon vs Northern Goshawk is a way cooler match-up than some lame sky lizards.

I cannot stand D&D: AW. Dragons are aerodynamically implausible. Makes me freaking crazy. The only way they could possibly work is if they were giant hydrogen gas bags, and even that rubs me the wrong way. Dragons...grumblegrumble. If they want to have non-airplanes or non-starfighters, use birds of prey. They're beautiful and intelligent and incredible fliers. Let's face it, Peregrine Falcon vs Northern Goshawk is a way cooler match-up than some lame sky lizards.

Realism is a deal breaker, and you have no problems with X-Wing?

I cannot stand D&D: AW. Dragons are aerodynamically implausible. Makes me freaking crazy. The only way they could possibly work is if they were giant hydrogen gas bags, and even that rubs me the wrong way. Dragons...grumblegrumble. If they want to have non-airplanes or non-starfighters, use birds of prey. They're beautiful and intelligent and incredible fliers. Let's face it, Peregrine Falcon vs Northern Goshawk is a way cooler match-up than some lame sky lizards.

Realism is a deal breaker, and you have no problems with X-Wing?

I get that Star Wars has atrocious space physics, and that the ship designs are implausible for the mission at hand. For some reason that doesn't bug me nearly as much as dragons. I guess there are two reasons for this. In the first place, we don't know what the most effective starfighter designs will look like in the future (and many smart people into science fiction think they won't exist at all). Secondly, we do know what works in our atmosphere, with our gravity, and dragons do not. That's not to say Star Wars isn't way off the mark - it is, but it's not as far off the mark as Dragons. I guess the last point is probably that I grew up with Star Wars so heavily influencing my views of space that it seemed to me to be reality as a kid, and it's hard to shake that notion as an adult. Not the same with dragons. Is it logically consistent? Maybe not, but there it is.

Issues of realism aside even after watching a few videos of it, the thing seems like a very strange franchise to shoe-horn into this particular system. If anyone who's tried it can comment on how awkward the ground troop formations are too I'd be curious. The rules for those seemed odd.

GW has me by the short and curlies. We're just spatting right now about 40K. End of Times for WHFB is looking pretty amazing. I might have to get an army eventually. I spoke to a GW store manager the other day who hinted that there may or may not be something like a course altering event to happen in the 40K universe as well. I hate to say it, but if they ever do manage to throw something mindblowingly cool into the mix I'd be back in heartbeat.

My love of Star Wars ends after the original trilogy. The 40k universe will always be number one for me.

GW has me by the short and curlies. We're just spatting right now about 40K. End of Times for WHFB is looking pretty amazing. I might have to get an army eventually. I spoke to a GW store manager the other day who hinted that there may or may not be something like a course altering event to happen in the 40K universe as well. I hate to say it, but if they ever do manage to throw something mindblowingly cool into the mix I'd be back in heartbeat.

My love of Star Wars ends after the original trilogy. The 40k universe will always be number one for me.

There are rumors circulating about the Emperor dying and ascending to become the Starchild. Or something along those lines.

I cannot stand D&D: AW. Dragons are aerodynamically implausible. Makes me freaking crazy. The only way they could possibly work is if they were giant hydrogen gas bags, and even that rubs me the wrong way. Dragons...grumblegrumble. If they want to have non-airplanes or non-starfighters, use birds of prey. They're beautiful and intelligent and incredible fliers. Let's face it, Peregrine Falcon vs Northern Goshawk is a way cooler match-up than some lame sky lizards.

While I can suspend my disbelief to enjoy dragons, hey they're magical, I must say Birds of Prey would be awesome. Makes me remember the video of the Golden Eagle grabbing goats off of a cliff, flying away and dropping them to their deaths hundreds of fett below. Yeah, raptors are bada**.

I cannot stand D&D: AW. Dragons are aerodynamically implausible. Makes me freaking crazy. The only way they could possibly work is if they were giant hydrogen gas bags, and even that rubs me the wrong way. Dragons...grumblegrumble. If they want to have non-airplanes or non-starfighters, use birds of prey. They're beautiful and intelligent and incredible fliers. Let's face it, Peregrine Falcon vs Northern Goshawk is a way cooler match-up than some lame sky lizards.

While I can suspend my disbelief to enjoy dragons, hey they're magical, I must say Birds of Prey would be awesome. Makes me remember the video of the Golden Eagle grabbing goats off of a cliff, flying away and dropping them to their deaths hundreds of fett below. Yeah, raptors are bada**.

I used to work at a raptor rehabilitation center, so I have hands-on experience with most of the North American raptor species. I have been trying to get the funding/resources to do a miniatures game of birds of prey, with falcons and accipiters serving as the fighters, eagles as the heavy fighters/gunships, and vultures as the bombers (lammergeier anyone?) but I think I'm pretty much alone in this desire so it hasn't gone anywhere.

For me, the other issue with dragons is that nobody bothers to utilize proper aerial combat tactics with them. If you actually watch raptors, they utilize the same maneuvers as jet fighters. The first time I saw a peregrine falcon make a good turn circle entry into the lag window on a duck, pull lead, and go in for talons, I was hooked (and so was the duck).

GW has me by the short and curlies. We're just spatting right now about 40K. End of Times for WHFB is looking pretty amazing. I might have to get an army eventually. I spoke to a GW store manager the other day who hinted that there may or may not be something like a course altering event to happen in the 40K universe as well. I hate to say it, but if they ever do manage to throw something mindblowingly cool into the mix I'd be back in heartbeat.

My love of Star Wars ends after the original trilogy. The 40k universe will always be number one for me.

I hope they won't since this will rob me of the last pleasure i wanted to get out of them... Selling them on eBay!

GW has me by the short and curlies. We're just spatting right now about 40K. End of Times for WHFB is looking pretty amazing. I might have to get an army eventually. I spoke to a GW store manager the other day who hinted that there may or may not be something like a course altering event to happen in the 40K universe as well. I hate to say it, but if they ever do manage to throw something mindblowingly cool into the mix I'd be back in heartbeat.

My love of Star Wars ends after the original trilogy. The 40k universe will always be number one for me.

Yeah well i heard rumours that the only FB army i have left - Lizardmen - is possibly going to disappear. Or as a Warhammer player would express it: "Go the way of the Demiurg!" That would be because they plan to put a lot of armies together, like for example Elves, Dark Elves, Wood Elves would make up one army. But since the Lizards would not fit anywhere, they would just walk the plank...

I hope they won't since this will rob me of the last pleasure i wanted to get out of them... Selling them on eBay!

Space Dwarfs on chopper bikes I can see getting deprecated. I cannot see how GW could justify getting rid of a model line that has T-Rex's and Stegosauruses.

I cannot stand D&D: AW. Dragons are aerodynamically implausible. Makes me freaking crazy. The only way they could possibly work is if they were giant hydrogen gas bags, and even that rubs me the wrong way. Dragons...grumblegrumble. If they want to have non-airplanes or non-starfighters, use birds of prey. They're beautiful and intelligent and incredible fliers. Let's face it, Peregrine Falcon vs Northern Goshawk is a way cooler match-up than some lame sky lizards.

Lame, Magical Sky Lizards.

Just because dragons don't work within the physics we know of in our world doesn't mean they wouldn't work in a world filled with physics-defying magic. Some kind of mystical energy field that gives dragons their power. It surrounds and penetrates them; it binds the magical universe together.

...wait a second. That's The Force.

I cannot stand D&D: AW. Dragons are aerodynamically implausible. Makes me freaking crazy. The only way they could possibly work is if they were giant hydrogen gas bags, and even that rubs me the wrong way. Dragons...grumblegrumble. If they want to have non-airplanes or non-starfighters, use birds of prey. They're beautiful and intelligent and incredible fliers. Let's face it, Peregrine Falcon vs Northern Goshawk is a way cooler match-up than some lame sky lizards.

While I can suspend my disbelief to enjoy dragons, hey they're magical, I must say Birds of Prey would be awesome. Makes me remember the video of the Golden Eagle grabbing goats off of a cliff, flying away and dropping them to their deaths hundreds of fett below. Yeah, raptors are bada**.

I used to work at a raptor rehabilitation center, so I have hands-on experience with most of the North American raptor species. I have been trying to get the funding/resources to do a miniatures game of birds of prey, with falcons and accipiters serving as the fighters, eagles as the heavy fighters/gunships, and vultures as the bombers (lammergeier anyone?) but I think I'm pretty much alone in this desire so it hasn't gone anywhere.

For me, the other issue with dragons is that nobody bothers to utilize proper aerial combat tactics with them. If you actually watch raptors, they utilize the same maneuvers as jet fighters. The first time I saw a peregrine falcon make a good turn circle entry into the lag window on a duck, pull lead, and go in for talons, I was hooked (and so was the duck).

Put this on kickstarter. Please.

I cannot stand D&D: AW. Dragons are aerodynamically implausible. Makes me freaking crazy. The only way they could possibly work is if they were giant hydrogen gas bags, and even that rubs me the wrong way. Dragons...grumblegrumble. If they want to have non-airplanes or non-starfighters, use birds of prey. They're beautiful and intelligent and incredible fliers. Let's face it, Peregrine Falcon vs Northern Goshawk is a way cooler match-up than some lame sky lizards.

Lame, Magical Sky Lizards.

Just because dragons don't work within the physics we know of in our world doesn't mean they wouldn't work in a world filled with physics-defying magic. Some kind of mystical energy field that gives dragons their power. It surrounds and penetrates them; it binds the magical universe together.

...wait a second. That's The Force.

I cannot stand D&D: AW. Dragons are aerodynamically implausible. Makes me freaking crazy. The only way they could possibly work is if they were giant hydrogen gas bags, and even that rubs me the wrong way. Dragons...grumblegrumble. If they want to have non-airplanes or non-starfighters, use birds of prey. They're beautiful and intelligent and incredible fliers. Let's face it, Peregrine Falcon vs Northern Goshawk is a way cooler match-up than some lame sky lizards.

While I can suspend my disbelief to enjoy dragons, hey they're magical, I must say Birds of Prey would be awesome. Makes me remember the video of the Golden Eagle grabbing goats off of a cliff, flying away and dropping them to their deaths hundreds of fett below. Yeah, raptors are bada**.

I used to work at a raptor rehabilitation center, so I have hands-on experience with most of the North American raptor species. I have been trying to get the funding/resources to do a miniatures game of birds of prey, with falcons and accipiters serving as the fighters, eagles as the heavy fighters/gunships, and vultures as the bombers (lammergeier anyone?) but I think I'm pretty much alone in this desire so it hasn't gone anywhere.

For me, the other issue with dragons is that nobody bothers to utilize proper aerial combat tactics with them. If you actually watch raptors, they utilize the same maneuvers as jet fighters. The first time I saw a peregrine falcon make a good turn circle entry into the lag window on a duck, pull lead, and go in for talons, I was hooked (and so was the duck).

Put this on kickstarter. Please.

Call it Rulers of Nature?

GW has me by the short and curlies. We're just spatting right now about 40K. End of Times for WHFB is looking pretty amazing. I might have to get an army eventually. I spoke to a GW store manager the other day who hinted that there may or may not be something like a course altering event to happen in the 40K universe as well. I hate to say it, but if they ever do manage to throw something mindblowingly cool into the mix I'd be back in heartbeat.

My love of Star Wars ends after the original trilogy. The 40k universe will always be number one for me.

There are rumors circulating about the Emperor dying and ascending to become the Starchild. Or something along those lines.

Really.. that was the rumour being put around retail in the mid 90s!

The 'emporer dying/starchild/sensai' narrative was actually in 'the lost and the damned'.

Im amazed if they have resurrected that as once Bryan left studio it was all dropped pretty quickly.

My friends been panic buying lizardmen kits this last month because their being discontinued in 9th if the rumours are true, he's no intention of buying 9th and neither do the rest of the group.

I'd actually welcome a return to skirmish 40k that's where the game works, the rules are bloody terrible for large scale combat it just take forever to play you can get three games of x-wing in the space of a single 40k game.

I am also happy to see Warmachine at 3 as that is the other miniatures game that I play the most besides SWXW. What both games have in common are a tight rules system with carefully balanced factions...Warhammer 40K can boast of neither.

I cannot stand D&D: AW. Dragons are aerodynamically implausible. Makes me freaking crazy. The only way they could possibly work is if they were giant hydrogen gas bags, and even that rubs me the wrong way. Dragons...grumblegrumble. If they want to have non-airplanes or non-starfighters, use birds of prey. They're beautiful and intelligent and incredible fliers. Let's face it, Peregrine Falcon vs Northern Goshawk is a way cooler match-up than some lame sky lizards.

You what?

Dragons are real. Back 6000 years ago when the earth was created there were dragonosaurs and and dinons and unicorns and jebus rode a raptor..blah blah then came the great flood and wiped them all way and then some blah blah creationist bs happened and here are....

Yay toys are cool