Would be a really nice touch if a rebel base in this show was on dantooine.

it was always a toyetic line, but now that they've got the canon by the bearings they can write it specifically for that purpose.

And you honestly think GL didn't do exactly the same thing? Starting with Eps 4, he made sure to do things that would let him sell more and more toys. He was a visionary that way, first person to see how you could merchandise a movie and make billions.

Like I said (twice now), the issue isn't with those specific minor details, but the underlying attitude that those changes indicate.

Again, being OCD over such minor details, established in minor works, doesn't necessarily mean that they don't have a good attitude. These are such minor details, and to hold them up as signs of bad things to come is placing much too much emphasis on them.

Like I said (twice now), the issue isn't with those specific minor details, but the underlying attitude that those changes indicate.

Again, being OCD over such minor details, established in minor works, doesn't necessarily mean that they don't have a good attitude. These are such minor details, and to hold them up as signs of bad things to come is placing much too much emphasis on them.

Well there's that, and they hired JJ Abrams... look at what he did to Star Trek.

The underlying attitude seems to be, "We're telling our story and not beholding ourselves to over thirty years of already frequently contradictory material."

Honestly, I'd rather these guys worry about compelling characters and interesting stories than poring over old WEG sourcebooks to make sure they got the life support on TIE Fighters right.

Honestly, I'd rather these guys worry about compelling characters and interesting stories than poring over old WEG sourcebooks to make sure they got the life support on TIE Fighters right.

My issue is that most, perhaps 90% of that stuff came because people were trying to explain something that the movie never touched on.

Why do Ties not have life support? The only reason that I know of, was to explain why the pilots are wearing helmets. It wasn't something that was required as part of the story.

Why do we think A-Wings were developed after the X-Wing? Because they were in the 3rd movie.

A ton of these little details had nothing to do with the story, and do nothing to improve the story in Rebels. Just because some WEG sourcebook, or some tech manual says something doesn't really mean it needs to be followed, or that the story will be better if they do.

Well there's that, and they hired JJ Abrams... look at what he did to Star Trek.

Of course if he makes a Star Wars movie with a Trek sensibility...

Well there's that, and they hired JJ Abrams... look at what he did to Star Trek.

The JJ Abrams Star Trek movies may have been bad TREK movies, but had the energy and fun factor of an OT Star Wars movie (particularly the first one), which may be "wrong" in a Trek context, but very suitable for a Star Wars sequel.

Of course if he makes a Star Wars movie with a Trek sensibility...

And those responsible for the issues in the plot/script are nowhere near this movie...

Good luck to that transport ship having PS1 Prototype Pilots defending it. No initiative in shooting but at least they can block and still get actions.

Well there's that, and they hired JJ Abrams... look at what he did to Star Trek.

The JJ Abrams Star Trek movies may have been bad TREK movies, but had the energy and fun factor of an OT Star Wars movie (particularly the first one), which may be "wrong" in a Trek context, but very suitable for a Star Wars sequel.

Of course if he makes a Star Wars movie with a Trek sensibility...

What worries me is that he doesn't handle world building very well, Star Wars is clearly a franchise Disney wants to be profiting from for many years. Trek showed him to be willing to roll with "magic blood cures death" and "interstellar beaming is possible with a portable device" plotlines that are going to loom heavily over any future films, I'm reminded of advice given to dungeon masters in the second edition D&D DMG to not shower parties with magical items.

Like I said (twice now), the issue isn't with those specific minor details, but the underlying attitude that those changes indicate.

Starting fresh from the original concept art, instead of sticking to contradicting glorified fanfiction?

using A-wings for these guys is a good idea because it contributes to the theme the the rebels are not exactly an organized force this early in the story

if every rebel base was using yellow y-wings and red x-wings, then they look like they've got some kind of real military structure in place!

which is absolutely not what you want to do at this point in the history.

this disparity is further highlighted by how the a-wings we see also have different paint jobs, and the pilots aren't using the same type of flight suit. They've got some more money and tech than we might expect at this point, but they aren't as formal or structured as the empire.

there, that's your narrative reasoning and the thought put into it, maybe. Or maybe not! Maybe you'll have to, god forbid, watch to find out.

(alternatively: a-wings are cool)

Well there's that, and they hired JJ Abrams... look at what he did to Star Trek.

The JJ Abrams Star Trek movies may have been bad TREK movies, but had the energy and fun factor of an OT Star Wars movie (particularly the first one), which may be "wrong" in a Trek context, but very suitable for a Star Wars sequel.

Of course if he makes a Star Wars movie with a Trek sensibility...

What worries me is that he doesn't handle world building very well, Star Wars is clearly a franchise Disney wants to be profiting from for many years. Trek showed him to be willing to roll with "magic blood cures death" and "interstellar beaming is possible with a portable device" plotlines that are going to loom heavily over any future films, I'm reminded of advice given to dungeon masters in the second edition D&D DMG to not shower parties with magical items.

I would place that more on Kurtzman/Orci than Abrams. And thankfully, they are no where near Star Wars. I think he will work great with Lawrence Kasden.

Really, doesn't it make sense that they'd be using a sucessor fighter to the Jedi starfighter patterns of the old Clone Wars? In much the same way they adopted the legacy Y-wings, and I'd bet they'd have run with Z-95s if the X-wing hadn't been handed to them on a silver platter by the defection of the design team.

The only bad thing about this is that it will reopen the A-Wing size debate again...

What that fighter isn't, is a new ship that FFG can add to the Rebel line up. Oh well.

Still, as has already been said that Cruiser looks interesting.

What that fighter isn't, is a new ship that FFG can add to the Rebel line up. Oh well.

Still, as has already been said that Cruiser looks interesting.

Although judging by those butt-ugly original TIE Transport weird things they had in one episode of the first series, this may be a good thing...

It's funny because the Rebels guidebook explicitly notes that TIEs do not have life support.

I'm just going with the idea that the ships are still airtight, they did only fly for a few scant moments.

The cruiser is a re-purposed clones wars ship though.

Honestly, I'd rather these guys worry about compelling characters and interesting stories than poring over old WEG sourcebooks to make sure they got the life support on TIE Fighters right.

Also funny: Pablo Hidalgo, one of the story directors on Rebels actually WROTE a bunch of those WEG sourcebooks. Rebels even has some explicit references to them.

Like I said (twice now), the issue isn't with those specific minor details, but the underlying attitude that those changes indicate.

Again, being OCD over such minor details, established in minor works, doesn't necessarily mean that they don't have a good attitude. These are such minor details, and to hold them up as signs of bad things to come is placing much too much emphasis on them.

Well there's that, and they hired JJ Abrams... look at what he did to Star Trek.

made it accessible to millions of people that didnt care about trek at all (me)?

you're right, what a monster

The only bad thing about this is that it will reopen the A-Wing size debate again...

It's a silly debate. If you look at any of the concept art for the A-Wing, and what Rebels seems to be doing with it, it's pretty plain that the A-Wing cockpit is HUGE (absolutely massive, and with a lot more free room in it to look around than an X-Wing has...which is a very common upgrade in fighter aircraft, just look at the P-51A vs the P-51D-20.)

That easily accounts for the scale issues.

Sure, in RotJ, some of the filming put people in a cockpit that was meant to be an A-Wing, and they filled it to a ridiculous degree. So what? We never saw those people OUTSIDE the cockpit, maybe those couple of pilots were just a species that looked human but was Wookie-sized (or larger).

A Tie Fighter having life support for routine patrol, and turning off that support in favor of suit life support when in combat, seems totally fine.

The A-Wing showing up pre-Yavin seems weird, but I'm willing to roll with it until they do something crazy.

Wish they'd used the Z-95s, though.

It's confirmed then, Disney is also on the band wagon of ruining my childhood.

Honestly, while I've always considered the A-Wing to be something that's post-Yavin, there's nothing in any of the movies that actually say this. It's not like the whole plot line falls apart if the A-Wing is older then we thought.

And in any case, I'm surprised none have commented on this, our favorite miniature game borrows HEAVILY (like, **** near exclusively at times) from the video games.

And the 'X-Wing' PC game plainly had A-Wings flown by the Rebellion well before Yavin. Indeed, IIRC, *all three* campaigns in the original release (with campaign 3 ending at Yavin) had players flying the A-Wing.

(Now, the *B-Wing* didn't show up until just before Hoth - I do hope they don't tinker a great deal with that timeline...)

The underlying attitude seems to be, "We're telling our story and not beholding ourselves to over thirty years of already frequently contradictory material."

Honestly, I'd rather these guys worry about compelling characters and interesting stories than poring over old WEG sourcebooks to make sure they got the life support on TIE Fighters right.

That 30 years of contradictory material *is* the Star Wars Universe... without that all we'd have are a handful of movies with little to no world building.

The underlying attitude seems to be, "We're telling our story and not beholding ourselves to over thirty years of already frequently contradictory material."

Honestly, I'd rather these guys worry about compelling characters and interesting stories than poring over old WEG sourcebooks to make sure they got the life support on TIE Fighters right.

That 30 years of contradictory material *is* the Star Wars Universe... without that all we'd have are a handful of movies with little to no world building.

Eh...half-dozen movies, 7 years of the Clone Wars, and now already another full year of the galaxy in Rebellion via "Rebels"...

It's not nothing. (And heck, "Rebels" is outright thumbing their noses at those who would try to torpedo the entire EU. Much was made of the recent re-categorization of the Rebel Blockade Runner as instead an 'Alderaan Cruiser'...nevermind that this flew in the face of plenty of on-screen dialog. But, then, 'Blockade Runner' was purely an EU naming of the ship...until this week's episode of "Rebels". Now, these are 'Blockade Runners'. Period. In on-screen, canon dialog. Ditto Imperial Inquisitors, Galactic Security Bureau Agents, etc. SOMEONE on the "Rebels" writing staff is obviously a big fan of the WEG RPG and EU generally, and are doing their damndest to get anything they can from that into 'official canon'.)

I would place that more on Kurtzman/Orci than Abrams. And thankfully, they are no where near Star Wars. I think he will work great with Lawrence Kasden.

Sure I would too but as producer/director he was in a position to say "guys is it possible to get Khan to Qo'nos some other way?" or "Is hiding a spaceship underwater really necessary to prevent it being seen by prehistoric tribesmen?"

In my own admittedly cynical opinion he did not and probably even asked for the enterprise underwater so he could juxtapose imagery of the vengeance crashing into the sea with the enterprise emerging to hit the right emotional beats in his trailer.