Dave Filoni: I have always believed that Vader has no repetent bone in his body until he realizes his son is alive.

Vader is not going to be swayed be Ahsoka being alive. That is my entire issue with your theory. It devalues Luke's importance to Vader's redemption. As Filoni said, Ahsoka is not going to be igniting any spark of good. Vader is not going to be angry that he killed Ahsoka. If anything he is going to kill her because she is a living memory of his past.

Now, I am seeing this drama play out over multitude episodes. Ahsoka will try to reach Anakin. Vader will try to turn her to the dark side.

There is a huge difference between him being "Swayed" and not wanting to kill her. Like you said, he'd probably want to convert her to the dark side. If he's unable to do it he'll probably end up killing her, but my theory is that killing her isn't his ideal solution.

I'm not saying she'll redeem him. She might try however....... but I'll agree that there's no chance she'd succeed. Unless they want to create an alternate timeline - (Which could be really run as a side project).

I, for one, hope they don't kill any of the big Star Wars Rebels characters: Ashoka, Kanan, Ezra, Hera, Zev, Sabine or even Chopper. Especially Ashoka, with over 100 episodes in her story arc. They're all great characters and there's no reason why they can't coexist in a galaxy with Luke, Leia, Han and Chewbacca. The Galactic Empire is immense. The Rebellion is also much larger than the groups you see in the battles of Yavin, Hoth and Endor.

The Galactic Empire's territory at its peak consisted of some one and a half million member and conquered worlds, as well as sixty-nine million colonies, protectorates and puppet states spread throughout the entire galaxy, stretching from the borders of the Deep Core to at least Wild Space.

It's a kid's cartoon, not Game of Thrones. And Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi would not have been a better story if a character like Chewbacca or Han Solo died. Or even Lando.

I for one have to agree with you on this one. What if the developers of Rebels decided that because everyone KNOWS that Ahsoka should or will die by the time Ep 4 starts up; they throw a curveball at us and she survives. The galaxy after all is a big place; not to mention just outside of it too.

I figured out what my issue with this all is...

It's this idea that something has to happen to given characters just because of a line from a movie. That Ahsoka, Kanan, and Ezra have to die... Because, well if they don't then that means Obi-wan and Yoda were wrong.

Myself I'd never develop a character if their fate was sealed because of a reason like that. It was IMO the worse part of the Clone Wars show, you knew what was going to happen to pretty much everyone from the first episode. You knew that nearly every Jedi was going to end up dead, along with most of the clone troopers.

First off Yoda and Obi-Wan could of been wrong, there could be other Jedi in the galaxy without them knowing about it. Neither one was omnipresent so they can't actually know. In fact there's plenty of cases of Jedi coming out of hiding in the EU. So clearly they were in fact wrong.

Plus Ahoska and to a point Kanan are not true Jedi, because with the Jedi Order destroyed there really aren't any Jedi left, not officially. So the whole point of those lines was that Luke had to restore the Jedi Order.

So myself I simply don't accept that the 3 force users in Rebels must die, there's a ton of ways they could keep them alive and still account for canon, including the fact that anything a character says is not always a fact, because that character could be speaking the truth as they know it, but could still be wrong.

StarWars.com: I have a bit of a continuity challenge for you. In Return of the Jedi, Yoda tells Luke, “When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be.” But now he knows that Kanan and Ezra are out there. We obviously don’t know at this point what will happen to them, but is that something you’re aware of?

Dave Filoni: I don’t see it as a challenge at all. It’s what the Sith call an absolute. When Obi-Wan says to Luke, “Your father was the greatest starfighter pilot in the galaxy,” is that true? Or is that something you tell a kid because you want him to believe his father was great? It doesn’t have to be empirical or absolutely true. Saying Luke is “the last,” is that a singular thing, or is he the last of a group? I don’t know.

It definitely is something that comes up, and we discuss that moment all the time for what it could mean. It is possible to interpret it as, Luke is the last person that’s following the path as laid out by the Jedi Order, which we knew. The way of the Jedi is not the only way to use the light side of the Force. Luke is taught by Obi-Wan and Yoda, who very much followed the dogma of the day. So, he is the last of that line for sure. That’s absolutely true. But you don’t have to be a Jedi to use the Force. You don’t have to be a Sith to use the dark side.

from INTERVIEW: DAVE FILONI ON STAR WARS REBELS, PART 2

And for those of you who watched all of the Clone Wars, which I recently binged on, I can't count how many meetings Master Yoda had with then-Senator Palapatin. But it was a lot. If Yoda can't tell there's a Sith Lord sitting on the other side of the desk, then why can't exiled Jedi do the same thing and mask their presence when they're 1000's of light years away from Dagobah?

It won't boil down to what Yoda could sense, when he tells Luke that he is the last of the Jedi. It will boil down to the significance of Luke being the last of the Jedi.

If Kanan or Ezra are still alive, then I would presume they take a different path by that time. They may still have the force, they may still be "Good" people, and heck, they may still use lightsabers, but I'd be willing to bet that they don't follow the teachings of the Jedi order. So Yoda will be true with his remarks, ... from a certain point of view .

Interesting theory.

Vader might also mean "A presence I have not felt since .... (I had my limbs amputated and was left to burn in a volcano by my best friend.)"

That might conjure up some sour memories.

Your theory certainly has more depth though.

I'm hearing what you wrote in parentheses in the voice of Sam Kinison!

Doesn't it seem to you that Kanan and Hera where a little touchy feely in the last episode? Some emotional attachment there to me; not according to the Jedi way.Therefore Kanan could not possibly be a true Jedi

The thing is, Yoda is always wrong, about everything. Just... name an important decision that he made, and you can see that it was the _wrong_ decision. Yoda tells Qui Gon Jinn that he's too close to the "living force" to be on the Jedi council. So, obviously, it's Qui Gon's understanding of living force that lets him defeat death- and then teach Yoda and others how to do so.

When confronted with the "chosen one of prophecy", Yoda decides to reject that person out of hand, and do everything possible to stymie that person's training. This doesn't actually work, but it pisses off that chosen one pretty hardcore.

And, of course, Yoda's dating advice to Anikan is basically "don't", but no real conversation about _how_ not to, or _why_ not to. Since Anikan is already married at that point, and is desperately seeking to not lose that person... yeah. All it really does is piss Anikan off.

Speaking of which: when Palpentine gets Anikan to be his spy on the Jedi council, slapping Anikan in the face by withholding the title "Master" is basically playing into the Sith Lord's hand. Then asking Anikan to spy on his friend- the friend who just gave Anikan a position that Yoda specifically denied to Anikan... Gods how dumb can you be?

So yes: it's entirely possible that Yoda is choosing to ignore the existence of Ahsoka because she's not "really" a Jedi. Which, of course, is because Yoda treated her so badly that she left the Jedi order in disgust.

Note which of those two went on to found the Rebellion, and which of those two sat on his rear in Dagobah.

All said and done, Yoda sinks to a level of incompetence envied by Jar Jar Binks.

The thing is, Yoda is always wrong, about everything. Just... name an important decision that he made, and you can see that it was the _wrong_ decision. Yoda tells Qui Gon Jinn that he's too close to the "living force" to be on the Jedi council. So, obviously, it's Qui Gon's understanding of living force that lets him defeat death- and then teach Yoda and others how to do so.

When confronted with the "chosen one of prophecy", Yoda decides to reject that person out of hand, and do everything possible to stymie that person's training. This doesn't actually work, but it pisses off that chosen one pretty hardcore.

And, of course, Yoda's dating advice to Anikan is basically "don't", but no real conversation about _how_ not to, or _why_ not to. Since Anikan is already married at that point, and is desperately seeking to not lose that person... yeah. All it really does is piss Anikan off.

Speaking of which: when Palpentine gets Anikan to be his spy on the Jedi council, slapping Anikan in the face by withholding the title "Master" is basically playing into the Sith Lord's hand. Then asking Anikan to spy on his friend- the friend who just gave Anikan a position that Yoda specifically denied to Anikan... Gods how dumb can you be?

So yes: it's entirely possible that Yoda is choosing to ignore the existence of Ahsoka because she's not "really" a Jedi. Which, of course, is because Yoda treated her so badly that she left the Jedi order in disgust.

Note which of those two went on to found the Rebellion, and which of those two sat on his rear in Dagobah.

All said and done, Yoda sinks to a level of incompetence envied by Jar Jar Binks.

Interesting take on things.

I figured out what my issue with this all is...

It's this idea that something has to happen to given characters just because of a line from a movie. That Ahsoka, Kanan, and Ezra have to die... Because, well if they don't then that means Obi-wan and Yoda were wrong.

Myself I'd never develop a character if their fate was sealed because of a reason like that. It was IMO the worse part of the Clone Wars show, you knew what was going to happen to pretty much everyone from the first episode. You knew that nearly every Jedi was going to end up dead, along with most of the clone troopers.

First off Yoda and Obi-Wan could of been wrong, there could be other Jedi in the galaxy without them knowing about it. Neither one was omnipresent so they can't actually know. In fact there's plenty of cases of Jedi coming out of hiding in the EU. So clearly they were in fact wrong.

Plus Ahoska and to a point Kanan are not true Jedi, because with the Jedi Order destroyed there really aren't any Jedi left, not officially. So the whole point of those lines was that Luke had to restore the Jedi Order.

So myself I simply don't accept that the 3 force users in Rebels must die, there's a ton of ways they could keep them alive and still account for canon, including the fact that anything a character says is not always a fact, because that character could be speaking the truth as they know it, but could still be wrong.

I can't disagree with this at all. The Star Wars galaxy that we've seen so far in films is just a small fraction of a much bigger stage. There is a lot out there that we haven't seen yet and characters that have arrived on the scene from sources like The Clone Wars and Rebels were part of that.

So this theory kinda hit me yesterday. It's probably not true but food for thought eh?

So, EP3 deleted scene - Shaak Ti gets killed by Grievous, now we all know Starkiller offs her on Felucia right?

What if on Felucia it was Ahsoka Tano posing as Shaak Ti, and the Real Slim Shaakti died on Grievous' Flagship?

Darth Vader sent Starkiller to kill her knowing: A: He probably would fail, and B: If he did, Vader didn't have to deal with it.

Ahsoka could be posing as Shaak Ti for a variety of reasons, beacon of hope as a Jedi rather than someone who buggered off away from the order for example.

Except TFU is one of the things people have stated is already out of canon. Thank god.

Except TFU is one of the things people have stated is already out of canon. Thank god.

It's as canon as Heir to the Empire as far as I know...

Remember: Legends canon = canon until a new source overwrites it.

Rebels has made a bit of a dent in this with Ahsoka being part of the Rebels leadership, but not enough yet. -So unless you can provide a source where TFU has actively been holiday specialed...

It's as canon as Heir to the Empire as far as I know...

As I understand it, no it's not.

My understanding (which could of course be wrong.) is that all of TFU stuff has been declared non-canon, so nothing that happened in that game is going to to show up, other then by coincidence.

It's as canon as Heir to the Empire as far as I know...

As I understand it, no it's not.

My understanding (which could of course be wrong.) is that all of TFU stuff has been declared non-canon, so nothing that happened in that game is going to to show up, other then by coincidence.

If you've got one, I wouldn't mind a source on this.

http://www.scifinow.co.uk/news/star-wars-7-exclusive-james-luceno-on-tarkin-eu-canon/

"We are going to lead up to A New Hope in a way that may contradict some of the stories that have been told, mostly in The Force Unleashed and books that came out around that video game."

I still need to read it, but from what Filoni has said, I am willing to bet the Rebellion is not founded by some scheme of Vader's.

From what I had heard (I can't remember the sources), the previous EU is now a kind of "Schrodinger's Canon". Everything is both canon and non-canon until Disney flat out either overwrites it or confirms it via new content.

For the most part, yes. But you can sort of make educated guesses on some things that have already been tossed out. NJO, with Chewie being alive. Also, one of the authors of a recent book pretty much stating they are contradicting a specific title.

Exactly, so yeah. TFU may at some point in the near future be de-canonized, just like ANY canon. (up to and including my favourite example of Heir to the empire, which will probably be ousted in the sequel series). They might even be saying that yeah, they'll probably contradict it. Until that disk is overwritten, it's still canon.

Unrelated. If anyone's read the UK rebels Magazine ep 1, did anyone else squee at the Space platform from TIE making an appearance?

I haven't read Tarkin yet, but it is already out, and according to Luceno, already contradicts TFU.

I'll have to go read it.