What If.....

What if Obi Wan comes back in a later season - and is involved in a huge battle at the end of say... season 4. Lets say it boils down to Obi-Wan AND Ahsoka Vs Darth Vader. Lets say Darth Vader ends up killing Ahsoka in this battle, and Obi Wan escapes, unable to handle Vader's rising power on his own. Vader is pissed, because the part of him that was still good, didn't WANT to kill Ahsoka. But having Obi-Wan there blinded Vader in rage and he virtually had no choice. He blames Obi-Wan for Ahsoka's death.

Fast Forward to Episode 4:

Vader sensing Obi-Wan's presense : ..."A presense I've not felt since........"

He's remembering Ahsoka.

Mind = Blown!

Interesting theory.

Vader might also mean "A presence I have not felt since .... (I had my limbs amputated and was left to burn in a volcano by my best friend.)"

That might conjure up some sour memories.

Your theory certainly has more depth though.

Interesting theory.

Vader might also mean "A presence I have not felt since .... (I had my limbs amputated and was left to burn in a volcano by my best friend.)"

That might conjure up some sour memories.

Your theory certainly has more depth though.

Well naturally that is what we have all come to know that he is referring to.... but it would be awesome.

Oh, and if Obi-Wan does come back - he'll have to go by the name "Ben" - since he said he hadn't gone by the name Obi-Wan since before Luke was born - so it's time for him to go by Ben if he comes back.

Curious why everyone seems either intent on, or assumes that Ahsoka is going to die when she faces Vader.

She's made it this long on her own, and there's no reason they need to kill her off, even if she confronts Vader, she could lose but he could spare her, showing he's not fully devoted to the Dark Side, or she could simply escape.

Yet every time she comes up it seems that people assume she'll end up dead. Killing off a hero just doesn't seem to be in character for this TV show even though it was part of the Clone Wars.

I'm not intent on it. In fact I'd love to see her show up as an elder in Episode 7, 8, or 9. However - according to this particular theory it fits my plan.

The bit that has always bugged me a little bit is...

"Obi-wan once thought as you do..."

Implies that Obi-wan made significant efforts after Anikin's fall to redeem him, not kill him, yet for all we have known, he has just been hanging out on Tatoonine for 20 years waiting for Luke to grow up and save the galaxy. If Rebels were to indicate/show that Ben left Tatooine on a few occasions to try and save Vader, and only gave up after he killed Ahsoka, that would work pretty well and make that line make more sense.

Curious why everyone seems either intent on, or assumes that Ahsoka is going to die when she faces Vader.

Because a tent pole feature of the original trilogy is that there are no more Jedi other than Ben and Yoda. It is virtually the number 1 foundation stone of the mythos that Luke is the last of the (old) Jedi, first of the New Jedi (depending on your point of view). for that to remain true (which it pretty much has to) then any other Jedi need to die/be killed before Empire at the latest. Given that Ahsoka has to die to maintain continuity/integrity with the OT, then it makes the most sense for her death to be dramatically relevant, and that means a confrontation with her mentor and father figure.

I'm not a big fan. I'm sure Vader will try to turn Ahsoka. But, the important thing is for him to willingly kill her, not have it be an accident. Their final confrontation (hopefully they have a few) will highlight just how important Luke is to Vader. No one else can re-awaken Anakin. Only Luke can touch the good that is in Vader. Anyone else, and it would somewhat cheapen Luke's success.

Besides, Obi-wan hearing of this would only reinforce his opinion on Vader.

Obi-Wan vs. Darth Ani seems highly unlikely.

Vader : " The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the master. " Obi-Wan : " Only a master of evil, Darth. "

Obi-Wan vs. Darth Ani seems highly unlikely.

Vader : " The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the master. " Obi-Wan : " Only a master of evil, Darth. "

If the two of them fight and Ben defeats Vader but doesn't kill him because he is still trying to redeem him and he makes a quip "Looks like you still have much to learn, apprentice." Or something like that.

It could work.

It is virtually the number 1 foundation stone of the mythos that Luke is the last of the (old) Jedi, first of the New Jedi (depending on your point of view).

On the FB page they have an interview and in it they say that Ahoska is not a Jedi. So it's quite possible that like Anakin is dead, there are no more Jedi.

Plus with the new cannon, they may very well throw out the whole thing about there being no other Jedi, and hand wave it away.

Yeah, they are doing some wiggle room with interpretations. Ahsoka and Kanan are as Jedi as the Inquisitors are Sith.

Ahsoka and Kanan are as Jedi as the Inquisitors are Sith.

Same with Ezra... I just can't see Disney killing off 2 or 3 major characters, at least not during the series. I kind of doubt the show will last until the time ANH happens so perhaps it could happen off camera.

But I think it's more likely they'll do something like "Well Yoda lost touch with them and assumed they were killed".

But I'll freely admit part of that is just because I think Ahsoka, Kanan and Ezra are cool characters and I'd rather not see them killed off, just for the sake of of continuity. That's something I never really cared for about the Clone Wars show and movies, knowing full well what was going to happen to pretty much every character in the series.

Interesting that the show runners claim that Ashoka is not a Jedi. Seems like a good way to get around the light-side and the dark-side. There’s the rogue Force-users. Inquisitors, Ashoka, Asajj Ventress, Maul (no longer a Darth). This opens up a whole new door. One that is a lot less constricting, especially with the whole 2 Sith rule. Chaotic neutral, chaotic good and chaotic evil force-users.

And to the point of no other Jedi. Wilhuff and Ben both proclaim that “the Jedi are all but extinct.” But they’re not omniscient. It doesn’t mean all the Jedi all dead. There can still be more in hiding or retired or both. Or perhaps this does allude to the fate of Kanan and Ezra. And Diala.

[i kind of doubt the show will last until the time ANH happens

Really? I've been wondering what they intend to do when their show catches up with the movies. I've always kinda taken it as a given that the show is going to run at least 5 years.

5 years before ANH. They have said they have a 5 year plan. The math seems fairly simple...

, Maul (no longer a Darth

You just reminded me that he is still alive....... oh man....

I've always kinda taken it as a given that the show is going to run at least 5 years.

Guess I've just seen too many cool toons not make it that long.

5 years before ANH. They have said they have a 5 year plan.

Hadn't heard that so guess they plan on at least 5 seasons so that's cool.

, Maul (no longer a Darth

You just reminded me that he is still alive....... oh man....

I thought Sidious killed both him and Opress

, Maul (no longer a Darth

You just reminded me that he is still alive....... oh man....

I thought Sidious killed both him and Opress

Nope. Maul is still captured by Palpatine. Even when you take the Son of Dathomir comic into consideration (which was based on a potential CW arc).

Back to the original theory - I suppose Ben Kenobi doesn't actually have to FIGHT Vader - but I suppose he should be involved somehow. Vader should KNOW he is involved - which would somehow enrage him. Vader should think that Kenobi has turned Ahsoka against him, regardless of weather or not that is true.

The whole point is that Vader should kill Ahsoka, and blame Kenobi for it - fueling his hatred even further. I dislike the idea that Vader is simply pure evil - you have to give him more motive. Why was he so eager tos trike down Obi-Wan in Episode 4, regardless of the warnings over Obi-Wan becoming more powerful.... I'd like for it to be more than just the events of Episode 3..... and if you tack on Vader's perception that Kenobi was somehow responsible for Ahsoka's death - then you have a much more interesting way to view Episode 4, and a more understanding reaosn of why Vader kills Jedi - (Even though at this point he's probably hunted down a good number of them already).

I dislike the idea that Vader is simply pure evil - you have to give him more motive.

Anakin became Darth Vader because Anakin would do anything to keep from seeing someone else he loves ding. But it's part of the SW universe that the Dark Side gains control over you when you turn, you no longer have full control over yourself.

I actually find it rather ironic that the whole reason for Vaders evil is because he loved too well. It was also what allowed him to be redeemed at the end.

You can give him a little humanity. You don't have to make him 100% evil. This isn't the Joker or Satan. There should be some conflict in him regarding her. I'm sure they'll handle it well, as I'm super anxious.

What If.....

What if Obi Wan comes back in a later season - and is involved in a huge battle at the end of say... season 4. Lets say it boils down to Obi-Wan AND Ahsoka Vs Darth Vader. Lets say Darth Vader ends up killing Ahsoka in this battle, and Obi Wan escapes, unable to handle Vader's rising power on his own. Vader is pissed, because the part of him that was still good, didn't WANT to kill Ahsoka. But having Obi-Wan there blinded Vader in rage and he virtually had no choice. He blames Obi-Wan for Ahsoka's death.

Fast Forward to Episode 4:

Vader sensing Obi-Wan's presense : ..."A presense I've not felt since........"

He's remembering Ahsoka.

Mind = Blown!

In one of the interview with the Rebels creator, he said that there is no good in Vader during this time period. I think Vader only starts to feel the lightside after finding out Luke is his son (hence him remembering Padme?) So I don't think Vader would have any remorse IF he were to kill Ahsoka.

Possible. That woudl certainly cement him as a hardcore villain if that were to be the case.

I'm just hoping he doesn't think he needs to kill her as his first option.

Do you need to give humanity to a Sith lord who cut apart hundreds of children by his own hand?