Newer Star Wars canon and little plastic models

By Hylian100, in X-Wing Off-Topic

I really couldn't come up with a better title for this.

Anyway, I just discovered that Star Wars: Commander, the iOS game, was released after the canon reset. Since it's story based, and all stories after the change are completely canonical, it's canon material.

What this means in relation to little plastic models, i.e. a certain miniatures game that drains wallets mercilessly, is that several of the ships that I thought were firmly in Legends territory are in fact canon star wars ships. Such as the HWK-290, the VT-49 Decimator, and the later-variant Z95 Headhunter (the version that loves to swarm, or fly with Han).

Just in case anyone was like me and thought those ships being canon again was a nice bonus to using them in-game/displaying them.

Oh, and Dark Troopers are also canon again. Now, HWK-290s and Dark Troopers being canon, I don't want to get into any wild speculation there but I think you all know where my thoughts are heading...

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I guess this means shadow guard are canon aswell now. Can't wait for those to pop up in imperial assault!

Edited by Robin Graves

Another thing in Commander were the death troopers from the halloween campaign. They were in that one book, so that's cool.

The Z-95 Headhunter was in the Clone War cartoon, and so is therefore cannon. :)

Since it's story based, and all stories after the change are completely canonical, it's canon material.

I think you're reading it too broadly. I don't think all games, computer or otherwise, are canon. You wouldn't consider Imperial Assault canon would you? Likewise most of the RPG books that FFG is releasing now.

Since it's story based, and all stories after the change are completely canonical, it's canon material.

I think you're reading it too broadly. I don't think all games, computer or otherwise, are canon. You wouldn't consider Imperial Assault canon would you? Likewise most of the RPG books that FFG is releasing now.

Obvously Imperial Assault, X-Wing, Armada and the RPGs are fully into Legends material. Boardgames and tabletop TRPGs int he future might use canon material and be canon sources though. The old RPGs were the source of a lot of old canon things, and some of which (Inquisitors, the ISB) are now canon due to Rebels.

Plus, from the official announcement of the canon switch:

"Now, with an exciting future filled with new cinematic installments of Star Wars, all aspects of Star Wars storytelling moving forward will be connected. Under Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy’s direction, the company for the first time ever has formed a story group to oversee and coordinate all Star Wars creative development.
“We have an unprecedented slate of new Star Wars entertainment on the horizon,” said Kennedy. “We’re set to bring Star Wars back to the big screen, and continue the adventure through games, books, comics, and new formats that are just emerging. This future of interconnected storytelling will allow fans to explore this galaxy in deeper ways than ever before.”"
So I'm not reading too much into it, I'm just reading what the official announcement clarified. Commander tells a story, through a video game, after Legends became non-canon. Ergo, Commander is canon. As will the new Battlefront be assuming it has a story-based campaign.
As for the Z-95, yeah I know about the Clone Wars version (love that show). However, it is different from the classic Z-95 that appears in miniature form. Commander uses the latter for its unit model.
Compare:
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Clone Wars Z-95 vs:
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N'Dru Suhlak in the "classic" (actually later in-universe) Z-95.
Commander Z-95 art:
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I just realised it's not quite the same (four intakes on the front of n'dru, vs new X-Wing style two on the front of the Commander variant, yeah I know the X-Wing's four, though the full circle with S-Foils closed is similar) though it is a lot closer, with the four thrusters, and different hull shape.
As for lego Shadow Troopers, sadly I don't think we can take them as indicative of canon, given that Anakin's custom Jedi starfighter from the Genndy Taratovsky Clone Wars series has a lego set relased this year as well. Firmly Legends material there.
Edited by Hylian100

So Commander tells a story, because that fits what you want. Yet Imperial Assault, which tells a story as well, probably even more so as they are coherent campaigns with major roles for individual Rebels, is obviously not because it falls in Legends.

Now that's looking at the truth from a certain point of view. Obi Wan would be proud :D

Unless of course you feel that the campaign developed in IA is less than that in a Clash of Clans knockoff, but I'd really like to hear your reasoning for that.

So Commander tells a story, because that fits what you want. Yet Imperial Assault, which tells a story as well, probably even more so as they are coherent campaigns with major roles for individual Rebels, is obviously not because it falls in Legends.

Now that's looking at the truth from a certain point of view. Obi Wan would be proud :D

Unless of course you feel that the campaign developed in IA is less than that in a Clash of Clans knockoff, but I'd really like to hear your reasoning for that.

Because I've not had much (or any) experiece with Imperial Assault, I'm unsure how the campaign plays out. Thought it might be less coherent based on different missions and the results thereof. Not really sure where Imperial Assault fits into canon, the units and such could surely be canon, though I took the statement to imply it was specifically videogames referred to as canon. I may be mistaken, happily I might add.

Then again, I haven't had any experience with Commander either (I didn't even think there was a story or the like until a few days ago when I saw someone mention it being canon and I decided to look it up), and was just bringing up a nice little point about certain ships from the EU once again being canon.

Further edit: Doing a little more digging, it appears that while a lot of the storytelling elements in Commander are non-canon (player choice and all) the units and locations are at least. Googling it I found conflicting opinions about what dev statements meant regarding Commander's canonicity, though that was mainly to do with the plot.

Edited by Hylian100

So in my last campaign of Imperial Assault, I used some Heroclix of IronMan and Captain America which appeared behind a door that the Rebels opened. Does that mean the Avengers are Star Wars Canon now?

So in my last campaign of Imperial Assault, I used some Heroclix of IronMan and Captain America which appeared behind a door that the Rebels opened. Does that mean the Avengers are Star Wars Canon now?

Nope. Last I checked Captain America and Iron Man weren't under any Star Wars licensing. Besides, they would happen a long time after anyway. In a much closer galaxy.

So in my last campaign of Imperial Assault, I used some Heroclix of IronMan and Captain America which appeared behind a door that the Rebels opened. Does that mean the Avengers are Star Wars Canon now?

Nope. Last I checked Captain America and Iron Man weren't under any Star Wars licensing. Besides, they would happen a long time after anyway. In a much closer galaxy.

Well they all belong to Disney now.

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So in my last campaign of Imperial Assault, I used some Heroclix of IronMan and Captain America which appeared behind a door that the Rebels opened. Does that mean the Avengers are Star Wars Canon now?

LOL your Imp Ass campaign apears to be as canon as that 3 word story. :D

I really couldn't come up with a better title for this.

Anyway, I just discovered that Star Wars: Commander, the iOS game, was released after the canon reset. Since it's story based, and all stories after the change are completely canonical, it's canon material.

What this means in relation to little plastic models, i.e. a certain miniatures game that drains wallets mercilessly, is that several of the ships that I thought were firmly in Legends territory are in fact canon star wars ships. Such as the HWK-290, the VT-49 Decimator, and the later-variant Z95 Headhunter (the version that loves to swarm, or fly with Han).

Just in case anyone was like me and thought those ships being canon again was a nice bonus to using them in-game/displaying them.

Oh, and Dark Troopers are also canon again. Now, HWK-290s and Dark Troopers being canon, I don't want to get into any wild speculation there but I think you all know where my thoughts are heading...

I wouldn't call it a reset based on newer articles about sw canon. Everything is stil around its juust the fine detailes that may be changed.

I really couldn't come up with a better title for this.

Anyway, I just discovered that Star Wars: Commander, the iOS game, was released after the canon reset. Since it's story based, and all stories after the change are completely canonical, it's canon material.

What this means in relation to little plastic models, i.e. a certain miniatures game that drains wallets mercilessly, is that several of the ships that I thought were firmly in Legends territory are in fact canon star wars ships. Such as the HWK-290, the VT-49 Decimator, and the later-variant Z95 Headhunter (the version that loves to swarm, or fly with Han).

Just in case anyone was like me and thought those ships being canon again was a nice bonus to using them in-game/displaying them.

Oh, and Dark Troopers are also canon again. Now, HWK-290s and Dark Troopers being canon, I don't want to get into any wild speculation there but I think you all know where my thoughts are heading...

I wouldn't call it a reset based on newer articles about sw canon. Everything is stil around its juust the fine detailes that may be changed.

Except it's not just the fine details. Major events from the old EU never need to have happened now. For one, Chewbacca's alive in the Force Awakens. Yes, writers et al may use Legends material as inpiration, or lift events and characters from there, but until such time as they do, those things are not canon.