You roll for damage and you loose your action when the movement template touches an asteroid. I did a tourney saturday and had to call the judge twice about loosing your action when that happens,and both players were not newbs.

Awkward. Yeah, that should be an easy one. Did they park dead center and have to roll when they left it? That's the only time I see that screwed up.

? I dont understand your question or you didnt understand mine . They did a movement and the movement template overlapped the asteroid but they didnt land on the asteroid but they claimed they still get an Action but they dont.

I had that happen in a tournament last fall. Some guy landed right in front of an asteroid and I said "next turn is going to hurt for him" and he said "nah, he'll be fine". I didn't realize until next turn, he thought he'd be fine because he thought the penalty only happened when you land on the asteroid. After showing him where it was in the rules he still said "That's stupid, i'm pretty sure they're going to change that." Best response to a rules dispute ever.

The one people around here were getting wrong for awhile was not completing the K-Turn when overlapping an OBSTACLE. You still complete the maneuver, you just roll for damage and skip action. People were playing the overlapping ship and obstacle the same way for awhile.

I had that happen in a tournament last fall. Some guy landed right in front of an asteroid and I said "next turn is going to hurt for him" and he said "nah, he'll be fine". I didn't realize until next turn, he thought he'd be fine because he thought the penalty only happened when you land on the asteroid. After showing him where it was in the rules he still said "That's stupid, i'm pretty sure they're going to change that." Best response to a rules dispute ever.

You must roll for damage immediately, not the next turn.

You roll for damage and you loose your action when the movement template touches an asteroid. I did a tourney saturday and had to call the judge twice about loosing your action when that happens,and both players were not newbs.

'Lose' 'losing'

Yeah, this came up in a friendly game this weekend.

I had that happen in a tournament last fall. Some guy landed right in front of an asteroid and I said "next turn is going to hurt for him" and he said "nah, he'll be fine". I didn't realize until next turn, he thought he'd be fine because he thought the penalty only happened when you land on the asteroid. After showing him where it was in the rules he still said "That's stupid, i'm pretty sure they're going to change that." Best response to a rules dispute ever.

You must roll for damage immediately, not the next turn.

Please allow me to clarify. He landed right before hitting the asteroid which meant his next turn there was no option but to run over the asteroid. He did not land on or maneuver over the asteroid on said turn. The next turn he did a hard 2 and thought he cleared it, that was when i realized his ignorance and the rules argument proceeded.

You lose your attack if you go over it? I knew you roll for damage, but didn't know you also lose your attack. I guess I'm one of those suckers.

I had that happen in a tournament last fall. Some guy landed right in front of an asteroid and I said "next turn is going to hurt for him" and he said "nah, he'll be fine". I didn't realize until next turn, he thought he'd be fine because he thought the penalty only happened when you land on the asteroid. After showing him where it was in the rules he still said "That's stupid, i'm pretty sure they're going to change that." Best response to a rules dispute ever.

You must roll for damage immediately, not the next turn.

Please allow me to clarify. He landed right before hitting the asteroid which meant his next turn there was no option but to run over the asteroid. He did not land on or maneuver over the asteroid on said turn. The next turn he did a hard 2 and thought he cleared it, that was when i realized his ignorance and the rules argument proceeded.

Ah, ok. Thanks for that.

You lose your attack if you go over it? I knew you roll for damage, but didn't know you also lose your attack. I guess I'm one of those suckers.

If you land on top of it you lose your attack, roll for damage, and lose your actions.

If your template goes through the asteroid, but don't land on it, then you lose your actions and roll for damage.

Don't you just skip your perform action phase? You can still get free actions from other sources.

Don't you just skip your perform action phase? You can still get free actions from other sources.

Yes, that's another big misconception. Stress voids actions altogether; asteroids simply make you skip the Perform Action step. You could still perform Ysard's free evade action, for example, since it takes place at the start of combat.

Don't you just skip your perform action phase? You can still get free actions from other sources.

Correct. So if you have ysanne or other form of free actions, you can take that still

Edit: about 30 seconds too slow

Awkward. Yeah, that should be an easy one. Did they park dead center and have to roll when they left it? That's the only time I see that screwed up.

Well you roll for damage when you park on the asteroid, skip your action phase and don't get to attack. Next turn you place your maneuver template which will obviously overlap the asteroid you're sitting on if there is asteroid ahead of you....do you role for damage and lose your action on that turn as well....Rules as written would imply you would, but being penalized twice for mis-maneuver seems harsh.

Basic rule of thumb I tell opponent's about going through and landing on asteroids. Going through one you loose your action and roll for damage because you're having to apply Prep H.....if you landed on one you loose your attack as well because you have to apply more Prep H.

You lose your attack if you go over it? I knew you roll for damage, but didn't know you also lose your attack. I guess I'm one of those suckers.

You only lose your attack if you end up with part of your base directly on top of the asteroid

Also, you can do a k-turn through or on an asteroid and complete the maneuver. It doesn't block you from completing the 180, its in obstacle not an obstruction. That came up this weekend.

You lose your attack if you go over it? I knew you roll for damage, but didn't know you also lose your attack. I guess I'm one of those suckers.

Hey man, no shame in acknowledging you misunderstood a rule. Still playing it that way (or arguing about it!) would be a jerk move, but don't feel bad. Lots of folks get that one wrong.

You lose your attack if you go over it? I knew you roll for damage, but didn't know you also lose your attack. I guess I'm one of those suckers.

Hey man, no shame in acknowledging you misunderstood a rule. Still playing it that way (or arguing about it!) would be a jerk move, but don't feel bad. Lots of folks get that one wrong.

what, wait? that's not true. if you are sitting on the asteroid, sure.

When overlapping an obstacle token,

the ship stays where it lands (on top of the token).

A ship that is overlapping an obstacle token during

the Combat phase

cannot attack any ship but

may be targeted by other ships as normal

Hah! That's what I get for reading fast. I thought he said "You lose your action if you go over it?" and then I was trying to be all nice and reassuring and crap, instead of paying attention to what he actually said.

My bad! I learned a valuable lesson about trying to make people feel better, today. It'll never happen again.

Also I played a tourney on Sunday and a common error kept occurring regarding asteroids. It's not just the manuever template that causes a roll for damage, if your base of your ship overlaps the asteroid you would also roll for damage and lose your action. So your manuever template could clear just barely but your ship base overlaps and that is an obstacle overlap. This is per the rule book. Just something I had to point out to multiple people playing that thought it was only the manuever template.

Also I played a tourney on Sunday and a common error kept occurring regarding asteroids. It's not just the manuever template that causes a roll for damage, if your base of your ship overlaps the asteroid you would also roll for damage and lose your action. So your manuever template could clear just barely but your ship base overlaps and that is an obstacle overlap. This is per the rule book. Just something I had to point out to multiple people playing that thought it was only the manuever template.

Just to head off some possible confusion. It is only if your ending position lands on an asteroid. Many people thought you had to "fly" your ship along the maneuver template to see if it ever overlapped during the maneuver. This is not true. I can have a large ships do a maneuver where the template gets within millimeters of the asteroid as long as I do not land on it.

Also I played a tourney on Sunday and a common error kept occurring regarding asteroids. It's not just the manuever template that causes a roll for damage, if your base of your ship overlaps the asteroid you would also roll for damage and lose your action. So your manuever template could clear just barely but your ship base overlaps and that is an obstacle overlap. This is per the rule book. Just something I had to point out to multiple people playing that thought it was only the manuever template.

Am I reading this right?

someone ends their move with the base of the ship overlapping an asteroid and they don't think that counts as overlapping an asteroid?

I appreciate that obstacles are probably the most common sources of misunderstanding, but how is that situation not absolutely cut and dried?

At a store championship this weekend this came up. My opponent was on an asteroid and the template crossed the asteroid when executing the following move,I explained the rule to the guy and he said no that's not right. TO was busy so asked the two guys right behind us,one agreed with with me and the other with my opponent. Waited on the TO and he said no you wouldn't suffer it twice like that. I didn't have my FAQ printed out with me and for some reason in that building all our internet was slow. So I went with the ruling even tho I knew it was incorrect. Landed one hit and one crit that finished his X, sometimes karma is on your side even when the dice and the TO aren't. The FAQ finally finished pulling up before the end of the match so I showed the TO and my opponent. The TO's response was that's stupid, moral of the story is always printout the most recent FAQ and take it with you because sometimes even the people responsible for making a decision aren't always 100% on rules.