Autothrusters on not themselves OP, but Royal Gaurds with 2 upgrade slots are the issue. They are overpowered or unbalancing on Soontir and friends because of the ability to add stealth device.
You're still only flipping one green blank, no matter how many dice you're rolling. An extra die isn't any good if it doesn't come up with an evade/focus.
I just think the change was a minor nerf to ships like the E-Wing, X-Wing and the Defender (other ships could absorb the hit due to cost effectiveness).
Can't disagree on that.
And now onto Tokyogriz:
Autothrusters on not themselves OP, but Royal Gaurds with 2 upgrade slots are the issue. They are overpowered or unbalancing on Soontir and friends because of the ability to add stealth device.
Stealth Device Soontir's been around since Wave 2. Autothrusters only kicks in at R3 unless you're against a turret and that turret hasn't arced you. A TIE interceptor has a 3 dice attack, unless it's fighting a B-wing or a Decimator it's not going to be that dangerous at long range (unlike the phantom which is as deadly a sniper as it is up close). If it closes in Autothrusters cut out and then it's the SD Soontir we've had since Wave 2. One hit and the Stealth Device is gone.
Imperial Homers of this board seem to be ganging up on ya there EastCoast. Hang in there!
Explain how arguing that universal utility for upgrades is good game design is being an "Imperial Homer"?
When your first post on this forum was insulting almost the entire playerbase, I thought you were a Ribann alt, but it seems you're actually a real person who actually thinks this. So, assuming you're not a troll and are simply a victim of bad experience, allow me to explain the reality of matters to you before you turn everyone against you in your lone crusade against everyone who doesn't share your loathing of the Imperial faction and anyone who's touched a blue dial.
Players of this game, broadly speaking, own both factions (all three now, although a few skip out on a faction or two for purely financial reasons.) Nobody is "rooting" for a faction as you seem to think they are.
People complain about the TIE phantom or the Falcon not because it hurts "their faction" because they don't have a faction. They complain because they want a fair and fun game, and they think those ships damage that fairness or enjoyment. Take ficklegreendice. He complains endlessly about the Fat Turret (that's both the Falcon and the Decimator) not because he's hellbent on nerfing the rebels out of the game but because he has to face it a lot and he doesn't enjoy it. The same goes for the TIE phantom: people dislike it because you have to bring some sort of special counter along for it. He is no more an "Imperial Homer" than EastCoast is a "Rebel Homer" for saying that Autothrusters isn't great for the X-wing, E-wing and TIE defender. I point you to the TIE defender in there. Which faction is that in, again?
The playerbase of X-wing is not factionalised. People look at the game in terms of ships. It's not the Rebels or Imperials being unbalanced, it's the pre-fix TIE phantom being weak and Fat Millenium Falcon being too powerful, the X-wing being underpowered and the TIE phantom being too good.
What people want is for every ship in the game to stand a chance. It's not a battle of phantom haters versus Falcon haters, because those people are usually the same people.
Everyone else sees this game in twenty four parts, not three. In fact, it'd probably be more accurate to say we see it in one part, because everyone else cares about the game as a whole. We may disagree on what's best for the game but it's what we all want. Balance and fun, not unbalance to be exploited (which leads to everyone flying the same list).
I'm sorry, but the only "Homer" on this board is you.
Edited by TIE Pilotyou'd think all the scum homers would be more ready to defend thrusters, seeing as how they have two ships that benefit
hmm....auto-thrusters...*drool
Seriously... what else are you going to put on a Black Sun Enforcer? It doesn't get an Evade action.
Oh yes, A-wings also benefit from 'thrusters, a bit less so then the other three, but still it's a popular upgrade for them where I'm at.
I think it's fair to say the TIE interceptor is the ship that benefits the most from Autothrusters simply because it's made of glass. The other three can take the hits a bit more. The resurgence of the Falcon and the advent of the VT-49 means the battlefields are full of squint splatters. Autothrusters gives them a fighting chance against a turret.
They're still worse off against a turret than they'd be against an X-wing or x1 though.
See Hobo, now I'm not as internet savvy as you are, obviously, but if I didn't know any better I think that may be sarcasm in Shake's post.Keep showing us vile imperials what the rebs are made of!! I am sure they are glad having your awesome reasoning abilities working toward their "glorious" cause...
There is really no need to keep quipping at him man. Just make and defend your point as you were doing before and stop singling him out. It's not adding to the conversation and isn't making you look very good...
There is really no need to keep quipping at him man. Just make and defend your point as you were doing before and stop singling him out. It's not adding to the conversation and isn't making you look very good...
It was intended to be playful, but fine.
It was intended to be playful, but fine.There is really no need to keep quipping at him man. Just make and defend your point as you were doing before and stop singling him out. It's not adding to the conversation and isn't making you look very good...
You might want to make it more obvious then...I prefer =p
These thing don't translate well to a text only format...human language is so much more complicated...
But... but... you laid it on so thick... 
There are a few posters who appear to favor the imperials slightly more than other factions, I say appear because I obviously don't know what percentage of time they spend on each faction but from their posts it seems they care more about the empire than other factions. However this doesn't mean that they are "homers" or even "fanboys" and it's doesn't really negatively affect the boards much.
The only difference really is that if you ask players "after the advanced what ship should get a buff next?" Some will say x wing and some will say TIE bomber, or possibly the defender.
Edited by ScottieATFIt was intended to be playful, but fine.There is really no need to keep quipping at him man. Just make and defend your point as you were doing before and stop singling him out. It's not adding to the conversation and isn't making you look very good...
I'd personally argue that Pilot Skill is one of the few things you can be certain your opponents will have, and that bidding on it isn't wasting points, but yes, you could potentially cite Veteran Instincts as an example. One, lone example.
Any more? I was told there were
Dude, you asked for "one example". I think you even repeated it. Be a man.
I'd personally argue that Pilot Skill is one of the few things you can be certain your opponents will have, and that bidding on it isn't wasting points, but yes, you could potentially cite Veteran Instincts as an example. One, lone example.
Any more? I was told there were
Dude, you asked for "one example". I think you even repeated it. Be a man.
Be a man.
In all seriousness, yeah, I've got to concede that VI, SoT and that one case with Outmaneuver all "count" for the purposes of meeting the challenge of providing an example.
However, two are tied to and rendered null by (the cards, not the examples) the pilot skill bid and the other's a very rare corner case, so they don't invalidate the broader point I went on to make about upgrades lacking universal utility being something FFG avoids.
Edited by TIE PilotHasn't this thread been closed yet?!
...the broader point I went on to make about upgrades lacking universal utility being something FFG avoids.
Which is probably true, it does look like they're trying to avoid that. Some cards just become extremely limited in their use against some opponents.
See Hobo, now I'm not as internet savvy as you are, obviously, but if I didn't know any better I think that may be sarcasm in Shake's post.Keep showing us vile imperials what the rebs are made of!! I am sure they are glad having your awesome reasoning abilities working toward their "glorious" cause...
No as per internet rules section 4 subsection 17 paragraph 4 he's allowed to use snark because someone else insulted him first.
He's been called a homer so it's unreasonable to think he has to remain polite, basically game on has been announced.
Filthy Homers!
I'll have you know I bathed in the tears of wookie slaves just yesterday.
...the broader point I went on to make about upgrades lacking universal utility being something FFG avoids.
Which is probably true, it does look like they're trying to avoid that. Some cards just become extremely limited in their use against some opponents.
Different to being completely null.
The only difference really is that if you ask players "after the advanced what ship should get a buff next?" Some will say x wing and some will say TIE bomber, or possibly the defender.
Since FFG has probably been working on these "fixes" for months already, the correct answer is "Which ever one FFG feel confident to release without further work or testing, not what the player base is asking for first."
I'll have you know I bathed in the tears of wookie slaves just yesterday.
You should try Ewok. It is far and away more gratifying
The only difference really is that if you ask players "after the advanced what ship should get a buff next?" Some will say x wing and some will say TIE bomber, or possibly the defender.
Since FFG has probably been working on these "fixes" for months already, the correct answer is "Which ever one FFG feel confident to release without further work or testing, not what the player base is asking for first."
Eh, I know it's not your own opinion, but imo X-wings don't need a buff
I say this as a guy who always plays an X-wing in all of my rebel lists
Granted, I would not mind some access to barrel-roll so I can add four points off stuff to the rest of my list
But I do agree on Radar's presentation of how FFG releases there fixes. They seem to plan well in advance, which is more than likely key for the continued health of this game (more time in advance means more time to test before release 
)
I would not be surprised if they added or tweaked a bit based on how the player-base reacted to releases, but the greater part of the new ships/pilots/upgrades should all more or less be set in stone before we even think of them.