Current Wave:
Scyk Fighters that are not Serissu
Star Viper mooks and Xizor
Wave 5
Eaden Vrill
Nera Dantels (as much as I love her, she's a dud)
Wave 4
E-Wings that are not Corran
Defenders
Wave 3
Lorrir, Kir Kanos, Cowell
Shuttles who are not Omicron Group Pilots
Wave 2
Interceptors who are not Soontir or Turr
A-Wings
Wave 1
TIE-ADVs who are not Vader
Planned obsolescence? Dud ships sell Ace repaints.
Edited by Darth RuinLa'etin a dud ship? Come'on. She can be as much as a nuisance as Tarn Mison.
Most of those are not duds, though some are situational (Kagi and Brath are particularly good in epic play).
Planned obsolescence? Dud ships sell Ace repaints.
No. Not everything has to be designed to be dominant in the top tier of competitive play. Also, not everything works out as planned. There will be no perfectly designed Wave.
To say this is on purpose is insulting to the designers and completely against all of the established FFG marketing philosophy.
Wave 4
E-Wings that are not Corran
Defenders
Stopped reading there could not take you seriously.
Wave 4
E-Wings that are not Corran
Defenders
Stopped reading there could not take you seriously.
Seriously... Col.Vessery, Deltas, and Etahn say hi...
La'etin a dud ship? Come'on. She can be as much as a nuisance as Tarn Mison.
Laetin was male in SWG. He needed an EPT to be relevant (Bodyguard) but somehow failed to get one.
Tarn is annoying, but not as annoying as other nuisances.
Wave 4
E-Wings that are not Corran
Defenders
Stopped reading there could not take you seriously.
Seriously... Col.Vessery, Deltas, and Etahn say hi...
Spin it how you like, they're duds. For the same points a named Phantom is way more of a threat than a Defender and no one used to take E'tahn outside of epic play.
Edited by Darth RuinTake that back about His Highness Prince Xizor!
Stopped reading there could not take you seriously.
Wave 4
E-Wings that are not Corran
Defenders
Seriously... Col.Vessery, Deltas, and Etahn say hi...
Spin it how you like, they're duds. For the same points a named Phantom is way more of a threat than a Defender and no one used to take E'tahn outside of epic play.
Care to qualify your assertions with some substance?
E'tahn a dud? Then I just won 2 SC at 16-0 with a "dud" as the focal point of my squad.
Summary of OP: There are ships in this game that I haven't figured out how to use. Thus, they are universally bad, no matter what tournament results or other players might say. Also, FFG failed to make every single pilot card identical in power level, despite the fact that there are over 100 individual pilots.
Cue conspiracy music, and stand by for plummeting troposphere.
Never mind the fact that you're comparing different ships that do different things to each other.
Never mind that you're comparing named pilots with generics.
Never mind that the only lens you're looking through is 100pt Deathmatches and not any other format.
I want to know how you got "Named Phantom costs the same as Defender". My Echo is 40pts. Whisper is more. Defenders are 30.
Oh and also, being worse than the single best small based Imperial ship doesn't make you a "Dud". Otherwise pretty much everything would be "crap" from your point of view, which is of course crap in itself.
La'etin a dud ship? Come'on. She can be as much as a nuisance as Tarn Mison.
Laetin was male in SWG. He needed an EPT to be relevant (Bodyguard) but somehow failed to get one.
Tarn is annoying, but not as annoying as other nuisances.
Laetin would be broken with an EPT. Lone wolf and stealth device would make the ship nearly indestructible. Add HLC and it's more than annoying.
Does every wave need to have dud ships?
Yes, actually. Though it depends on how you define "dud".
Ships are not equal. They have different capabilities and efficiencies compared to their point costs. This means there wil always bee some ships that are better than others. The flip side is that there will always be ships that are "worse" than others. If you want to call that a "dud" then so be it, yes. Every wave will have a dud. If you are going to use as your metric a ship the is pretty much universally acknowledged as to powerful (though by how much is up for debate), then yes, other ships are going to suffer in the comparison. That doesn't mean they are "bad" ships however.
Stopped reading there could not take you seriously.Wave 4
E-Wings that are not Corran
Defenders
Seriously... Col.Vessery, Deltas, and Etahn say hi...
Spin it how you like, they're duds. For the same points a named Phantom is way more of a threat than a Defender and no one used to take E'tahn outside of epic play.
Care to qualify your assertions with some substance?
He could, but if he tried he'd lose about half his quiver of "duds". Much safer to pretend you're right without worrying about those pesky facts.
There is a conversation to be had about hits and misses in X-wing, and what players and FFG can learn from each, but I'm pretty confident that it won't happen in this thread.
Yes, every wave has to have ships some folks like more, and some folks like less. Sometimes, the ships people like less will even be imbalanced in some way, so that lots of people like them less. But the fact that you choose to define "ship that I, personally, like less" as a "dud" is on you, not the game.
Now I'm not going to say that I specifically agree or disagree with the OPs assertions however with every game that has "Fluff" in it, particularly one so rich with lore as Star Wars, every pilot does not need to be high level competitive worthy.
many of the pilots mentioned are better in higher point epic games, if one chooses not to play those formats it doesn't intrinsically make a ship bad if it happens to be better in that format rather than 100 point standard.
Lastly, and somewhat obviously, you cant have "Good pilots/ships" without correspondingly "Bad pilots/ships"
Edited by Mace WinduEvery ship is hopefully different and rightly so. The right tool for the right job.
Diversity keeps the game interesting.
I would just like to state for the record that Lt. Lorrir, Kir Kanos and Tetran Cowell are not even in Wave 3.
I would just like to state for the record that Lt. Lorrir, Kir Kanos and Tetran Cowell are not even in Wave 3.
And he missed the actual ships from that wave that are arguable flops.
Deltas are great. Sounds like you have never played with them.
Obviously, everything is a dud ship until the Sun Crusher is released, detonates all stars, and the encompassing supernovas destroy all opposing ships.
Wave 4
E-Wings that are not Corran
Defenders
Stopped reading there could not take you seriously.
I love TIE Defenders. That white K-turn is more useful than people think.
I would just like to state for the record that Lt. Lorrir, Kir Kanos and Tetran Cowell are not even in Wave 3.
And he missed the actual ships from that wave that are arguable flops.
Like the HWK? It's useful in a few builds, but that 1 attack die really limits its usefulness.