Oh great, the scouting argument again.

So each game in a tournament should be played in a private, soundproof booth so no one else can see or hear - intentionally or unintentionally - a participant's tactics like "roll attack dice from a Falcon" or "use PTL with Fel."

The only "scouting" I'd take issue with as a TO is the guy that shows up to the event walks around taking a look at what everybody else is running before sitting down to build his list.

If you see them making large mistakes (like the Blount-Failsafe one), talk to the TO first and have him come over. If it's a small thing (forgetting Gunner, taking an action after running over a rock), just mention it after the game.

Gunner can be forgotten, losing an action can not. Not losing an action to an obstacle is no different then rolling the incorrect number of dice, or not dealing damage in the correct amount. Sure they all sound like small things, but they could very easily make the difference in the game and thus I think they should be corrected.

If it is something that the TO would correct if he walked by and saw it, then it's something that should be brought to the attention of the TO so he can correct it.

One time I mentioned that someone hadn't used their bomb. They said "Oh yea I forgot." Then they won because I said something. I felt awful. I don't ever say anything anymore.

I don't think it's right to correct anyone for forgetting their own upgrades or abilities. They have to learn for themselves, imo, and it's more likely that they will when they realize it on their own

Now I would advocate for speaking up against blatant rules ignoring/forgetting that would have normally prevented a pilot from doing something, because those things just have to happen (obstacle damage/action denial, stress mechanics etc.)

Mind, these are only in very blatant cases. if something cornercase comes up, the players themselves should ask for the TO

I would say it's the TO's event, let him or her run it by being the ones addressing rules amongst the players.

I generally do not speak at all to players while I watch unless they engage me. I find that when I'm playing, especially in the later rounds, I don't really like being interupted from gameplay and dialogue I' m having with my fellow player. Biggest pet peave is when someone comes up and assesses who they think is winning.

One time I mentioned that someone hadn't used their bomb. They said "Oh yea I forgot." Then they won because I said something. I felt awful. I don't ever say anything anymore.

This is exactly why I think it's better not to say anything until the match is over. I'm playing against one opponent not a team.

i had this same experience last week , i had a bye and was watching a game where both players forgot about a Rebel captive, i decided not to say anything but it was hard.

If two new players are making a rules error I'll ask them if I can tell them about a rules error. If they don't want the help and get something wrong, so be it.

Stuff like forgetting card abilities or bombs is part of the game, gotta deal with it.

The only "scouting" I'd take issue with as a TO is the guy that shows up to the event walks around taking a look at what everybody else is running before sitting down to build his list.

That's partially the TO's failing for not requiring lists up front, and partially everyone else's for being so transparent about their lists.

If two new players are making a rules error I'll ask them if I can tell them about a rules error. If they don't want the help and get something wrong, so be it.

Stuff like forgetting card abilities or bombs is part of the game, gotta deal with it.

Stuff like forgetting abilities is absolutely a part of the game. Forgetting non-optional effects or just plain breaking rules is a different matter.

A TO would not remind a player that they have a bomb or ability that they are forgetting to use. Whether they use that ability or not is completely in thier hands. A TO would absolutely step in if they saw a player forgetting to skip thier action step, remove tokens in the end phase, rolling the wrong number of dice, etc.

So the question isn't whether you should be reminding players of optional abilities. You shouldn't, that be coaching. If X-Wing had more explicit player conduct ruleset you can bet your collection coaching would be called out.

The question is should you be remind players of the rules. In my view yes. Rules are rules, players have no ability to ignore or forget them. Moreover it cultivates a culture that ensures that any impropriety is simply stamped out and never takes hold.

Hey guys! Ive been a long time lurker on these boards and finally got around to making a profile!

Anyway I played in a store championship today. Later in the day when fatigue had begun to creep up there were a couple of times where I forgot something (such a a rebel captive on my opponents ship) and my opponent did as well. An onlooker pointed it out and I was not offended at all. That is part of the rules and I would have felt terrible if I had won and later realized that could have affected the outcome.

That being said there was one instance that really irked me... I was playing against a chewbacca and leebo duo and he was down to just leebo. leebo had recon spec on him but my opponent was only taking a single focus action for a couple turns. Then an onlooker asked "why are you only getting one focus you have recon spec" and my opponent was like "oh yea I forgot" and even started putting his second focus on for that turn (when he had already completed his move and i was in the process of moving). I should have said something and also asked the guy to leave or stop commenting because me made a couple of other comments throughout that game of similar nature. I just have a problem with hating feeling like a ****... Maybe I am too nice who knows... I just wish that people wouldnt comment on stuff like that when they are spectating

Anyway sorry for the rant for the first post! I will be posting a Batrep soon for my games so I hope you all check it out and enjoy it! Have a great night all!

Hey guys! Ive been a long time lurker on these boards and finally got around to making a profile!

Anyway I played in a store championship today. Later in the day when fatigue had begun to creep up there were a couple of times where I forgot something (such a a rebel captive on my opponents ship) and my opponent did as well. An onlooker pointed it out and I was not offended at all. That is part of the rules and I would have felt terrible if I had won and later realized that could have affected the outcome.

That being said there was one instance that really irked me... I was playing against a chewbacca and leebo duo and he was down to just leebo. leebo had recon spec on him but my opponent was only taking a single focus action for a couple turns. Then an onlooker asked "why are you only getting one focus you have recon spec" and my opponent was like "oh yea I forgot" and even started putting his second focus on for that turn (when he had already completed his move and i was in the process of moving). I should have said something and also asked the guy to leave or stop commenting because me made a couple of other comments throughout that game of similar nature. I just have a problem with hating feeling like a ****... Maybe I am too nice who knows... I just wish that people wouldnt comment on stuff like that when they are spectating

Anyway sorry for the rant for the first post! I will be posting a Batrep soon for my games so I hope you all check it out and enjoy it! Have a great night all!

Recon Specialist isn't optional, just like Rebel Captive isn't optional. It doesn't say that you may assign an additional focus token to your ship it simply says "When you perform a focus action, assign one additional focus token to your ship." To me, that's as enforceable as the Rebel Captive stress example. You really have no option to not assign the second focus token.

Personally, I've had some bad experiences where I saw some mistakes during a game while I had a bye, and I decided to say something. It just got the offender really upset at me. I'm much less likely to say anything now.

As a becoming-more-frequent-TO, my own vote would be...

...walk over to the TO and say 'hey, there is this game over here you might want to take a look at, as there seems to be some rules violations in play'.

Because, seriously, being a TO can be boring as hell, so having someone point something out that you can help with by offering observation or commentary on is actually giving me something to DO. So, yeah, PLEASE DO THAT.

Hey guys! Ive been a long time lurker on these boards and finally got around to making a profile!

Anyway I played in a store championship today. Later in the day when fatigue had begun to creep up there were a couple of times where I forgot something (such a a rebel captive on my opponents ship) and my opponent did as well. An onlooker pointed it out and I was not offended at all. That is part of the rules and I would have felt terrible if I had won and later realized that could have affected the outcome.

That being said there was one instance that really irked me... I was playing against a chewbacca and leebo duo and he was down to just leebo. leebo had recon spec on him but my opponent was only taking a single focus action for a couple turns. Then an onlooker asked "why are you only getting one focus you have recon spec" and my opponent was like "oh yea I forgot" and even started putting his second focus on for that turn (when he had already completed his move and i was in the process of moving). I should have said something and also asked the guy to leave or stop commenting because me made a couple of other comments throughout that game of similar nature. I just have a problem with hating feeling like a ****... Maybe I am too nice who knows... I just wish that people wouldnt comment on stuff like that when they are spectating

Anyway sorry for the rant for the first post! I will be posting a Batrep soon for my games so I hope you all check it out and enjoy it! Have a great night all!

Recon Specialist isn't optional, just like Rebel Captive isn't optional. It doesn't say that you may assign an additional focus token to your ship it simply says "When you perform a focus action, assign one additional focus token to your ship." To me, that's as enforceable as the Rebel Captive stress example. You really have no option to not assign the second focus token.

Personally, I've had some bad experiences where I saw some mistakes during a game while I had a bye, and I decided to say something. It just got the offender really upset at me. I'm much less likely to say anything now.

As much as that was now seemingly right due to the rules that particular onlooker has no excuse for also being particularly irritating. Especially making other comments.

The only "scouting" I'd take issue with as a TO is the guy that shows up to the event walks around taking a look at what everybody else is running before sitting down to build his list.

That's partially the TO's failing for not requiring lists up front, and partially everyone else's for being so transparent about their lists.

Events should not have to require pre-registration or players have to engage in subterfuge in order to not have a player specifically counter pick thier builds right before an event starts. Neither are particularly practical.

I agree that players shouldn't have to engage in subterfuge but I don't see how pre-registration is impractical. I can't imagine a TO not having an e-mail address and the on-line squadron builders all output text or links that can be sent to the TO.

Hey guys! Ive been a long time lurker on these boards and finally got around to making a profile!

Anyway I played in a store championship today. Later in the day when fatigue had begun to creep up there were a couple of times where I forgot something (such a a rebel captive on my opponents ship) and my opponent did as well. An onlooker pointed it out and I was not offended at all. That is part of the rules and I would have felt terrible if I had won and later realized that could have affected the outcome.

That being said there was one instance that really irked me... I was playing against a chewbacca and leebo duo and he was down to just leebo. leebo had recon spec on him but my opponent was only taking a single focus action for a couple turns. Then an onlooker asked "why are you only getting one focus you have recon spec" and my opponent was like "oh yea I forgot" and even started putting his second focus on for that turn (when he had already completed his move and i was in the process of moving). I should have said something and also asked the guy to leave or stop commenting because me made a couple of other comments throughout that game of similar nature. I just have a problem with hating feeling like a ****... Maybe I am too nice who knows... I just wish that people wouldnt comment on stuff like that when they are spectating

Anyway sorry for the rant for the first post! I will be posting a Batrep soon for my games so I hope you all check it out and enjoy it! Have a great night all!

I had a couple moments where I caught myself asking questions that I immediately realized I shouldn't have. The recon spec want me, but I still regretted it.

I agree that players shouldn't have to engage in subterfuge but I don't see how pre-registration is impractical. I can't imagine a TO not having an e-mail address and the on-line squadron builders all output text or links that can be sent to the TO.

You can ask for sign ups all you want on every possible channel available to you, and you will still have players show up the day of that have not pre-registered. So unless you plan on turning players away that are there to play, it isn't particularly practical. Most TOs are not going to only take pre-registrations provided another logistic concern, such as event space, doesn't demand a complete hard cap on attendance. The larger the event, or higher in tier, the more you can expect in regards to walk-ins.

You'd actually be suprise how many people that pre-pay for an event don't even show up for it as well.

The only "scouting" I'd take issue with as a TO is the guy that shows up to the event walks around taking a look at what everybody else is running before sitting down to build his list.

That's partially the TO's failing for not requiring lists up front, and partially everyone else's for being so transparent about their lists.

Events should not have to require pre-registration or players have to engage in subterfuge in order to not have a player specifically counter pick thier builds right before an event starts. Neither are particularly practical.

It's not subterfuge, it's just good sense.

Players shouldn't be permitted to walk around attempting to scout out other players lists prior to constructing thier own for the specific event, thus there would be no need for players to hide, obscure, or offer decoy for what they are playing. The good sense you describe should not be necessary.

That's entirely a matter of opinion, and one that's been discussed before. To recap: if you have a brain, and want to win, don't advertise your list. It's really that simple.

I'm not worried about the player that can't make up his mind about a list when I'm at a tournament.

It's the guy sitting there with his list already assembled, waiting patiently, and doesn't tweak it one bit and had his list before he came through the door. That's the guy that has played his list so well he knows what he's going to do with it. That's the opponent I watch for.

The only "scouting" I'd take issue with as a TO is the guy that shows up to the event walks around taking a look at what everybody else is running before sitting down to build his list.

That's partially the TO's failing for not requiring lists up front, and partially everyone else's for being so transparent about their lists.

Events should not have to require pre-registration or players have to engage in subterfuge in order to not have a player specifically counter pick thier builds right before an event starts. Neither are particularly practical.

There are other good reasons to have pre-registration, though, that are practical, but that's another topic.

If you're concerned with people seeing what you have entering a tourney then just keep extra models around or leave your stuff in a box until the last second.

Related: In Warhammer Fantasy my Orc army can take goblins who swing giant metal balls and randomly cause casualties - Night Goblin Fanatics. They're normally hidden in units and are not put on the table until an enemy unit gets within 8" of the parent unit. Each unit can take 1-3 Fanatics but they cost a lot points.

I didn't always take the max number of Fanatics in my lists but I'd keep my whole collection off to the side in an open box just so opponents could see them. I would only take out the proper number as they entered play but my opponents would see all 12 I own whether I was playing zero or all 12...

If seeing that altered my opponent's play style and forced them to move more conservatively then that's what he got for looking in my box.

When observing tournament games, I have learned to stay completely silent unless asked a direct question. Not my place to officiate or remind people of something.