I don't like it. Now I have to deal with cheapskates that have a mixed bag of dials and I have to spend unnecessary cycles keeping track of that as well.

This amounts to proxying, which isn't allowed in any other context.

absolutely

ban proxy acrylic templates

ban proxy acrylic tokens

ban card sleeves that might obscure a really well forged card

In fact I'd go so far as to say that FFG only allow stores to hold tournaments when they can demonstrate that they have mass spectrometers on hand to check that the molecular constituents of all dials, templates, tokens, cards and ships

Wheaton's law is for poofters

Wonderful!

Welcome aboard!

Great minds think alike. thumbs up

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DAT!

I don't like it. Now I have to deal with cheapskates that have a mixed bag of dials and I have to spend unnecessary cycles keeping track of that as well.

This amounts to proxying, which isn't allowed in any other context.

It's not proxying any more than using the Scum paintjob in a Rebel list would be. FFG made the call that models and dials represent a ship and not a faction specific version of a ship.

If having to keep track of mixed dials is tough for you, color your pegs.

You're missing the point. The game has players track a ton of information already as it is. I don't want to spend a single brain cell on it when it's unnecessary.

I don't think FFG made this change because of the players who don't want to spend money (they clearly require you to buy a $90 Tantive for C3P0); I think they did it because they know there are stock issues and port issues which may limit availability. I hope they reverse that rule by Wave 7's release.

If it takes more than ONE brain cell to keep *your* dials and *their* dials separate, you are in the wrong game.

I'm glad they changed the ruling, I'm NOT GLAD that they didn't do it before the products were released, meaning many people (including myself) bought and opened extra items before realizing we didn't need them afterall.

It's really nice that FFG listens to their community, and are willing to make changes to accommodate their requests especially when it impacts the consumer and not necessarily game balance.

The previous ruling mostly impacted customers that had purchased the existing faction ships, and usually multiples of the Y's and Z's. Taking care of that loyal player base is a really nice touch.

Kudos for FFG for their decision, and kudos to the community for keeping the issue in the spotlight. I know there where a couple of super aggressive posters in particular that essentially were telling everyone to STFU and accept that the rules were the way the were, and FFG wouldn't change them. Regardless, I appreciate the proponents of this change for stating their position in an articulate and civil way. I'm very happy our faith in FFG was once again rewarded and I look forward to continue my support of FFG games in the future.

If it takes more than ONE brain cell to keep *your* dials and *their* dials separate, you are in the wrong game.

You must be mistaking me with someone new to the game. I assure you tracking lots of tiny details is not a problem (I do it for a living). My complaint is there is no reason to require me to track these details when FFG could simply require players to own the components for the faction they're playing.

If it takes more than ONE brain cell to keep *your* dials and *their* dials separate, you are in the wrong game.

You must be mistaking me with someone new to the game. I assure you tracking lots of tiny details is not a problem (I do it for a living). My complaint is there is no reason to require me to track these details when FFG could simply require players to own the components for the faction they're playing.

I assume you have played a swarm vs swarm of the same faction before. How did you track dials then? For example a 7 Tie Fighter vs 6 Tie Fighter swarm can get messy when all the ships are bunched up and as the dials are the same color and in close proximity. We have never had much trouble figuring out ways to make it work. You can't judge dials based on the color in that situation anyway; it is the position that matters.

Heck it could make it easier in some situations if some of my bandits are scum dials and some are rebel dials. I could put my scum dial ones out in the front ships and you could put your rebel dial ones out for your front ships or some other way to help distinguish who ones what. Or you could just always put dials on the ship cards. Also people can mark or color the backs of their dials anyway.

Any very slight inconvenience that may come from this ruling is greatly offset by the fact that this is a common sense way to show that you are not milking your customers for every possible penny. I realize FFG needs to make money; however the original ruling definitely raised my eyebrow a bit and lowered my view of them a bit as a customer friendly organization. If they wanted us all to have to buy new Y-wings or Z-95s, they could have tweaked the maneuvers a bit to make them actually different. However, if they are literally the exact same ship with a different paint scheme on the model and a different paint scheme on the dial, that is a bit BS to not let you mix them. Especially considering that FFG fully supports end user model painting and dial marking. A lot of people will buy more anyway to get extra cards and stuff and be able to play more of the same generic ships. Basically this ruling lets people who are on a budget find ways to make their collections go a little farther.

In summary, I am very pleased that FFG reversed the ruling. My only barb I would have to throw is that they never should have announced it the other way. But at least it shows that they listen to their customers and that says something!

Are so many of your tournament players actually such cheap bastards?

You can and have ALWAYS been able to play with proxied cards, dials etc at your OWN HOME.

Good grief.

If you really cant afford to buy the game how can you afford to drive around to tournaments or fly if you in the western USA like me?

I would guess the people complaining simply want to play at their own house and don't really GET THE FACT you can do whatever you like at your house.

Are so many of your tournament players actually such cheap bastards?

You can and have ALWAYS been able to play with proxied cards, dials etc at your OWN HOME.

Good grief.

If you really cant afford to buy the game how can you afford to drive around to tournaments or fly if you in the western USA like me?

I would guess the people complaining simply want to play at their own house and don't really GET THE FACT you can do whatever you like at your house.

The people complaining are the people who DON'T like the new ruling. Like you, but you add on being offensive. Well done.

*golf claps

So, can we stop talking about scum dials now?

So, can we stop talking about scum dials now?

Apparently, not quite yet.

I didn't think so. I guess one more thread really didn't help matters after all.

Well, if we're going to stop talking about scum dials, we're going to have the change the topic - probably to bacon (though that does risk pushing this topic into the "Off-Topic" sub-forum).

So, anyone visited Little Caesars lately?

Me want !!!

Deep dish pizza is not real pizza!

Ooooohhhh ... now dem's fighting words !!!

Actually, I mostly like thin crust myself, but there are one or two places that make true deep dish (NOT stuffed !!!) pizza that are awesome.

Have we successfully distracted everyone and derailed this thread away from scum dials?

Deep dish pizza is not real pizza!

Objectively the worst post on the forum.

My wife gave me weird looks when I suggested the Bacon Body Lotion.

But is it OK to use Steak dials with our Bacon Pizza?

Maybe we can stop talking about this. The only problem may be that all of those old threads are now void.

It's really funny how many people are now hating this ruling for reasons that really escape me. Excluding one thing here are the pros and cons for each:

Requiring Faction Specific dials:

1. Keeps things looking nice.

2. Forces people to buy more Most Wanted packs to use models they have.

Allowing ships to have specific dials:

1. You have a ship model then the dial to run that model should be the same anyway you look at it.

2. You've never been forced to use specific dials for ships from specific packages before.

3. The rules HAVE allowed you to customize dials as long and their function (to show planned maneuver) was unaffected.

4. Allows you to field models you have dials for.

The one thing that changed is: Someone said this is how things are going to work.

Had FFG said from the start that ships can use the dials they came with I don't think 90% of the "Require faction specific dials" supporters would have emerged. The reason that dials need to match also flies in the flew of allowing custom paint on ships which can arguably be even more confusing than having 'mismatched' dials.

Deep dish pizza is not real pizza!

This statement is false in every city in the world except Chicago.

I admit I don't like this. Still it's their game. I'd prefer my opponents to use the right dials at least--I've only had one game where I proxied a dial (My MW hasn't arrived yet) and I picked up my opponent's dial three times.

That's why I've marked the backs of my dials so I can tell what's what - especially for mirror matches where there are a lot of ships on the board.

Plus FFG could have used different coloured backs for the scum dials like they did with the rebel and imperial ones.