sir_shajir said:

you know how much that card makes people whine and cry that play CChax its awesome....it almost makes me feel like im going to make them stop playing it at some point

and yes i do main deck it most of the time its just too good not to

Hoping for a challange is also equally amazing. While you're still gonna fail the card, your hand is gonna be pretty big. Akuma gives -4 to a card? Bam draw 4.

sir_shajir said:

Willful doesn't have another effect that matters.

It's too situational.

It fails, and so does its symbols.

You realize it removes itself right? Play your first card have then hack it, respond with willful. It doesnt even have to match symbols with the first card in your pool. It even replaces itself. Willful and hoping for a challenge have made BRT to risky to run in my area.

MarcoPulleaux said:

Are you on crack seriously shinji Air has won the the nationals and countless regionals . Just by banning chesters LOTM and errata on spike wont take away from it being a top symbol . AIr still has menuett dance for its kill and hopefully mark of the beast will now see play as well.

MarcoPulleaux said:

Honestly, one of the main complaints I have about your points on cards is "and so does it's symbols.". You'll rant about how certain symbols are too good, and then when pointing out why some cards work, you complain that they don't have these god tier symbols. This should be a plus if anything else. Expand what you're playing. Now's more of a time than any to experiment with new symbols, with the bannings we just had.

MarcoPulleaux said:

I've agreed with a lot of your points, even if i wasn't vocal about them, but this statement is just so off the mark it ain't even funny. I've had actual in-game experience where my opponent was SCARED to R with BRT because he ASSUMED I had Willful in my hand (i didn't which made it all the funnier).

Yes, that card is THAT good. And, the symbols...really? Air, Chaos and FIre? Fails? Sorry, sir, but you're wrong again. There are so many great attacks that have these symbols, i mean, c'mon! Do they really need mentioning? I-Spin, The 3 Rites, Fury of the Ancients, Midnight and Breaker...these are all key kill cards that WILL be played, even if it split-symbols a deck (where the foundations are based off one symbol and the attacks another).

Willful gets it done. Period.

ok olcadans is 0:6...so? there are at least 10 cards, if not more, that stop it...

if nothing else, just make sure every foundation is usable no matter what u get back (wow theres a thought)...

and rejection...ok?...sandstorm throw...kft...that new foundation that makes them lose vitality when they would gain it...midnight launcher...playing tons of attacks...any card that stops an enhance...***...even CChax...the only the remotely bothersome to me is breaker 2 and thats as a block

why does everyone cry about crap thats SO easy to get around...i dont get it

Kitties_Outcast said:

Not entirely sure who you are or what your experience with the higher level of play is, but these statements are backwards. Just becuase there are cards (and available to certain symbols only ) that stop something, doesn't mean that said something isn't broken. What makes it broken is that you absolutely have to run the few answers to it or suffer seriously for it.

As to every foundation being usable... Of course every foundation will be usable, why would you put it in the deck? The strength of Olcadon's is it's ability to assess the situation and give you something that is not useful at the current point in time. Last I checked there doesn't exist a foundation that is useful in every situation, which is why Olcadon's had the power it did.

Rejection has answers, but in and of itself, it is too powerful. For every card you list as an answer to Rejection, there are an equal number of answers to your answer for Rejection, and lo and behold, the majority of the generic answers off of the evil symbol... With Bitter Rivals gone, it is only understandable that what it counters most importantly goes too...

There is a distinct difference between 'crying' and identifying cards that necessitate players to play the game in a way that the designers no longer want to see it played.

And to play the devil's advocate. If said cards were SO easy to get around, then they SO wouldn't be run in SO many decks. And if SO few of it was being used, banning it would have SO little impact on you. i.e. your complaint is, in and of itself, counter-intuitive.

- dut

MarcoPulleaux said:

And you are a dunce.

dutpotd said:

tannerface said:

Point taken. I've only been playing a year but I hear that is/was a good card.

- dut

Kitties_Outcast said:

cool story bro

Air is top tier
Chaos and Fire are both mediocre

Willful is a garbage card.

MarcoPulleaux said:

Garbage card that was in the decks of Can Nat's 1st & 2nd Place decks, as well as the Top deck from Swiss.

That same Garbage Card was in the US Nat's 1st place deck as well.

I guess the guys who go out and win Championships use janky garbage cards. Thanks for giving us that pro tip!

Hey, they're welcome to run their situational action card against my deck, and the very many other decks that do not run BRT, and I'll just LOL when it gets used as a block and nothing more.

Oh yeah, and let's not forget guy who still high fives, the reason Willful saw play in Can Nats and Nats was because these were pre-ban tournies where Destiny players were afraid of Olcadan's, and Forethought was still very much legal and a threat.

MarcoPulleaux said:

Tiny Syphillis format has few speed boosts, so +3 speed isn't anything to scoff at.

Then again, Tiny Syphillis format has extremely weak CC hack.

Antigoth said:

You're applying reason while talking to Shinji?

Tagrineth said:

Sarcasm detector is off. The key is in the two words.

Homme Chapeau said:

Weak CC hack, but there are also some Random abilities that gives your opponents control checks boosts. What's neat, is if you fail the CC, in spite of the boost, you can still use Willful to pass the check. Which then allows you to overextend yourself and play some stuff you would not normally be able to play at that point in time.

But keep in mind... I'm the weird one who sits and looks for different interactions and how you can make them go.

Tagrineth said:

Meh... it's late, I'm at work, being unproductive, and figured I'd spend a few minutes baiting the troll.

Homme Chapeau said:

Oh no, I can see the sarcasm - his post was dripping with so much we should probably be wearing boots.

It's still reason laced with sarcasm though, so I don't know why he's really bothering.

Antigoth said:

Remember, when baiting trolls, when you feed a troll, you must take care of it, much like a pet, that no one really wants.

thank you

management

Kitties_Outcast said:

Power levels aside, Owlface was banned because it chewed up far too much time during the game. When each player got multiple copies of Owlface out, then a lot of time was taken away from playing the game and put towards looking through discard piles trying to make decisions.

Now this goes down each turn, every turn, almost every game.

Rejection: Rejection is interesting because it failed in its intent. Rejection presents itself as an option to stop one hit KO's. But the reality of it is it discouraged long strings of attacking (and attempting combos) in favor of one hit kills because all you ever had to do was push one attack through the 1 or 2 rejections that the opponent had. So walls walls walls walls walls push the kill.

Homme Chapeau said:

...I'd scoff at it. In the tiny STD format, from what I've seen, it's pretty much about pommeling the opponent whenever you can. It's ALL about turns of attacking, punishing the opponent for building too much (as in, less cards in hand), etc.

No trolling here AntiGoth, just saying crappy card is crappy. Just an opinion dood.