Range 1 and Range 3 rules are key, you can just put them down and not have to worry about checking the lines. If you flip your cardboard one over, you'll notice the range 2 line doesn't match on both sides.
Good news though, the range divisions are exactly 100/200/300 mm's in length, if you want to cut a spare one.
Thank you to all the great replies everyone it's great to see such interest and help on these forums.
I would be hesitant to let my opponents use acrylic ship tokens vs the cardboard ones. The cardboard ones do not have 90 degree firing arcs and it looks like the acrylic ones on the kickstarter do.
Edited by bmfThe R1 ruler is my single most used item when at the table. Worth every penny.
I would be hesitant to let my opponents use acrylic ship tokens vs the cardboard ones.
There would be no hesitation on my part, I just would flat out not allow it. Those clearly look like a full 90 arc and that's not what the base card should have. Even if that wasn't true they'd still not be tournament legal.
In a tournament it wouldn't be a question. I definitely wouldn't allow it.
I would be hesitant to let my opponents use acrylic ship tokens vs the cardboard ones.
There would be no hesitation on my part, I just would flat out not allow it. Those clearly look like a full 90 arc and that's not what the base card should have. Even if that wasn't true they'd still not be tournament legal.
Greenman is very open to critques...just let him know this and he will change the production model. (the pics on the page are mock ups)
You guys are rather particular about allowing 3rd party products, particularly range rulers. I'm been to a number of tournaments with top flight people, and the vast majority are basically 'full acrylic." It's actually kind of uncommon to see cardboard movement/range templates any more.
This is in response to HidaTom:
The problem is that we don't really know what the proper arc angle is. It can offer a big advantage to one player. There was a huge debate on what to make the arc in Vassal. It started off as 90 degrees in the early versions and has since been reduced. But at least in Vassal everyone is on the same playing field as all ships have the exact same firing arc. Cardboard vs Acrylic would not be the same and there wouldn't be an easy way to "check" the acrylic arc short of bringing a protractor, which wouldn't be accurate enough anyway.
The ship token is definitely one piece that needs to be FFG original.
Edited by bmf"The ship token is definitely one piece that needs to be FFG original."
why?
is the angle on the ship token harder to replicate than the 3 bank?
Because if you don't like my templates you can request to use one set for both players or the official cardboard ones.
I would also argue that yes it is harder to replicate the correct arc. I don't think we know what the "intended" arc really is. The FFG tokens vary quite a bit. Also having a larger arc than intended is a much more obvious and easier to exploit advantage vs having a slightly different movement template (which will still require skill to estimate where your ships end up).
is the angle on the ship token harder to replicate than the 3 bank?
Yes in fact it is. Because the Banks and Turns form a full circle if you line up enough of them. So you can say for both cases the angle is absolutely X degs. The same can't be said of the base plates, because even if you measure one due to printing issues they're not all going to be the same.
The other issue is, you'd have to check the base plate stats against the card, and I'd rather not have to do that every game I play.
Check out the Kick Starter project for Dynamic Colored X-Wing/Attack Wing Template Sets. Lots of variations, including plastic asteroids, hinged epic ruler etc. Oh if you play Star Trek they have those tokens too.
"The other issue is, you'd have to check the base plate stats against the card, and I'd rather not have to do that every game I play."
this sounds like you haven't looked at the ship tokens he has shown.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/586885235/dynamic-colored-x-wing-attack-wing-template-sets/posts/1140011
If you care about customization, I love my Litko set. Engraved with "Incom Corporation" and cost ~$30
this sounds like you haven't looked at the ship tokens he has shown.
I did. But how do I know that the stats on that 3rd party item is correct? If it's a FFG cardboard base card then I accept it is always correct, provided the name matches up.
But with those, I'm trusting a 3rd party to get it correct. Something I'd rather not do. Either way they're not tournament legal.
this sounds like you haven't looked at the ship tokens he has shown.
I did. But how do I know that the stats on that 3rd party item is correct? If it's a FFG cardboard base card then I accept it is always correct, provided the name matches up.
But with those, I'm trusting a 3rd party to get it correct. Something I'd rather not do. Either way they're not tournament legal.
I think the ONLY tournament legal acrylics are the FFG ones...so you calling foul on every person that uses non-FFG acrylics?
so you calling foul on every person that uses non-FFG acrylics?
No, just those base cards. The tokens, or maneuver templates are completely fine.
The tournament rules are quite clear on it. 3rd party Tokens and Templates are allowed, provided both sides are fine with them. But no where in the rules does it allow you to replace the official FFG ship base cards.
During tournament play, each player is required to use components included in official X-Wing products with the exception of third party maneuver templates, tokens, and range rulers...
Those base cards do not fall under the category of tokens, so you can't use them.
The Templates and Range rulers are all easily reproducible based on ideal measurements. Length X, Width Y, Radius Z... Each one of them is well understood. Range rulers for example: 100mm, 200mm, 300mm for each range band. There may be minor errors in laser cutting, but they will be small compared to the printing and cutting shift the cardboard gets.
The base cards are a totally different beast. That angle has never been talked about publicly. Even if it was, the 3rd party product would have to be verified for each ship before play. Both players can easily share a set of movement templates, or simply compare their sets to assure they are the same (or close enough). Each pilot ship card is unique, that can't be shared in any way. That's the big difference. The tokens are purely aesthetic and have no impact on game play as long as they are clearly visible and discernible.
this sounds like you haven't looked at the ship tokens he has shown.
I did. But how do I know that the stats on that 3rd party item is correct? If it's a FFG cardboard base card then I accept it is always correct, provided the name matches up.
But with those, I'm trusting a 3rd party to get it correct. Something I'd rather not do. Either way they're not tournament legal.
the new scum firespray cards do not have the Aux firing arc...is this correct?
this sounds like you haven't looked at the ship tokens he has shown.
I did. But how do I know that the stats on that 3rd party item is correct? If it's a FFG cardboard base card then I accept it is always correct, provided the name matches up.
But with those, I'm trusting a 3rd party to get it correct. Something I'd rather not do. Either way they're not tournament legal.
the new scum firespray cards do not have the Aux firing arc...is this correct?
I'm not sure if this is poking fun at FFG's accident or not.
They have the arc printed. See the thread about it.
this sounds like you haven't looked at the ship tokens he has shown.
I did. But how do I know that the stats on that 3rd party item is correct? If it's a FFG cardboard base card then I accept it is always correct, provided the name matches up.
But with those, I'm trusting a 3rd party to get it correct. Something I'd rather not do. Either way they're not tournament legal.
the new scum firespray cards do not have the Aux firing arc...is this correct?
I'm not sure if this is poking fun at FFG's accident or not.
They have the arc printed. See the thread about it.
it's on the ship TOKEN...but not the card...so by your reasoning the firespray has no Aux arc because FFG printed the card without one...
rigid thinking can be a ***** sometimes 
this sounds like you haven't looked at the ship tokens he has shown.
I did. But how do I know that the stats on that 3rd party item is correct? If it's a FFG cardboard base card then I accept it is always correct, provided the name matches up.
But with those, I'm trusting a 3rd party to get it correct. Something I'd rather not do. Either way they're not tournament legal.
the new scum firespray cards do not have the Aux firing arc...is this correct?
I'm not sure if this is poking fun at FFG's accident or not.
They have the arc printed. See the thread about it.
it's on the ship TOKEN...but not the card...so by your reasoning the firespray has no Aux arc because FFG printed the card without one...
rigid thinking can be a ***** sometimes
I think you're misunderstanding what he's saying. The only thing he was saying he wouldn't allow from a third party is the ship base. As in, the piece of cardboard that the ship goes on with the firing arc printed on it.
I could be wrong, but your replies make it sound like you thought he was referencing the pilot cards or the other tokens.
"did. But how do I know that the stats on that 3rd party item is correct? If it's a FFG cardboard base card then I accept it is always correct, provided the name matches up."
just showing that FFG is not perfect and the third party bases should always be used with the FFG one as back up...same with tokens, templates and range rulers.
just showing that FFG is not perfect...
Just because FFG doesn't always get it right doesn't mean it's ok to use 3d party ship tokens, the cardboard that goes on the base. Because while FFG may not get it right, they'll fix it, which is not something we can say for sure about a 3rd party token.
Then there's also the fact that right now 3rd party ship tokens are not tournament legal in the first place. Not "if both sides agree to them." but not allowed period.
Oh and...
the new scum firespray cards do not have the Aux firing arc...is this correct?
Is not correct, the ship tokens does have the Aux arc printed on them, the ship card on the other hand is missing the icon that lets it fire the primary weapon in the Aux arc, which again is something FFG can fix, but may not true of 3rd party stuff...
Edited by VanorDM