What could they have done to make you happy? Separate blisters?

So keep QQ ing and trying to talk down to us...

Although I don't know what "QQ" means, you are obviously confused. I think that the Most Wanted kit is a good deal. However, it only comes with three ships and I will not stop talking down to people who believe otherwise.

Your issue is with others' lack of precision of language. But I see that in your post as well. When you say, "only comes with 3 ships" that omits the weighty fact that you can fly 6 ships total with one box of Most Wanted because it comes with the requisite cards, tokens, and dials to do so. That's huge!

True, there are only 3 miniatures included in the box, but you can fly 6 S&V ships with one box of Most Wanted. We're basically all talking past each other because nobody is bothering to write out precisely what is in the box every time we talk about it.

Everyone who's said it has the parts for six has qualified exactly what they mean. I think Rapture's realised that his position that there's something wrong with Most Wanted is a little difficult to defend and has latched onto semantics instead rather than giving up.

What could they have done to make you happy? Separate blisters?

So keep QQ ing and trying to talk down to us...

Although I don't know what "QQ" means, you are obviously confused. I think that the Most Wanted kit is a good deal. However, it only comes with three ships and I will not stop talking down to people who believe otherwise.

Then don't expect most of us to take you seriously...

Like I said do some research on the concept of value added and maybe you will better understand what we are saying...

Enjoy your imagined high horse and keep fighting the "good fight." The rest of us will continue to tell you why we disagree without talking down to you...

The only issue that I see with this kit is a general issue. The game is starting to get large and, because of the way that rules are bundled into new products, this could cause serious issues if the game isn't managed properly. While people might think that having faith in FFG is the easier route, I like to keep in mind that FFG has seriously failed with regard to balancing in the past (i.e. ordinance, tie advanced, a-wing, HWK). The bigger this game gets, the harder it will be to keep players happy that they have to keep purchasing the balance modifying updrades and the harder it will be for new players to buy in and get the full experience.

But we are mostly talking about the value of Most Wanted here, which is a good deal. However, I have to reiterate that FFG isn't being nice. The ships for this kit were already sculped with production in place and the core functionality tested. Their costs to produce this kit were lower, so I am not surprised that the price reflects that. The fact that this kit is a S&V gateway-drug is also likely a factor in the pricing.

If you are still getting a number higher than three, try asking an adult for help.

How many of these threads need to get locked for getting heated, before people will stop making comments like this just to get a rise out of someone?

You're not doing the discussion any favors by indulging in this sort of petty little sniping, and contributing to an escalation of hostility by purposefully "talking down" to people.

you'd have to buy 2 copies of MW to run it compared to the empire firespray where you only have to buy the firespray itself

So you have to buy 2 firesparays to use 2 of them Imp side. And you're complaining about having to buy 2 MW which gives you enough stuff to run 12 ships, for about the same price you payed for those 2 firesprays...

that's only half of the argument there 2 mw and 2 firesprays as opposed to just 2 firesprays.

"2MW gives you enough stuff to run 12 ships" it gives you the stuff for 6 ships not counting any other purchases.

Now of course there's plenty of people who have models for the extra dials which is good value for them.

also i was more giving a reason why people would want to see scum refit xpacs rather then complaining about the value of a single MW pack.

To make a very bad comparison imagine having to buy a core set for every time you wanted to use another X-wing. The core set is undoubtedly great value giving 3 ships dials etc but would you consider buying another core set over the X-wing Xpack if you wanted to run a 3rd or 4th X? (i know buying 2 cores is a good start)

also i was more giving a reason why people would want to see scum refit xpcas rather then complaining about the value of a single MW pack.

If you want two Scum Firesprays then you'd need to get two Most Wanted and two Firesprays, yes. For tournaments anyway. For casual I'm fairly sure if you use the Imperial dial and baseplates that you can run any pair of Scum Firespray pilots so long as it's not two of the generic.

If everything were individually packed (they just released the four ships as repaints), then the same amount of stuff (four Zs and two Ys plus two Firesprays) would cost more. The Most Wanted route also gets you spare conversion kits should you ever need them, Most Wanted's huge array of upgrade cards, the Firespray-31's array of upgrade cards, and the Imperial pilot cards for the Firespray. Individual blisters would leave you with normal blisters' worth of upgrade cards: considerably less.

I think Rapture's realised that his position that there's something wrong with Most Wanted is a little difficult to defend and has latched onto semantics instead rather than giving up.

Word!

also i was more giving a reason why people would want to see scum refit xpacs rather then complaining about the value of a single MW pack.

Then I must of misunderstood your point. Because I agree with that. I'd love to see a S&V Firespray and HWK released. Preferably with alt paint, but even without it would be good. I'd also like to see a single expansion for the S&V Y and Z-95.

also i was more giving a reason why people would want to see scum refit xpcas rather then complaining about the value of a single MW pack.

If you want two Scum Firesprays then you'd need to get two Most Wanted and two Firesprays, yes. For tournaments anyway. For casual I'm fairly sure if you use the Imperial dial and baseplates that you can run any pair of Scum Firespray pilots so long as it's not two of the generic.

If everything were individually packed (they just released the four ships as repaints), then the same amount of stuff (four Zs and two Ys plus two Firesprays) would cost more. The Most Wanted route also gets you spare conversion kits should you ever need them, Most Wanted's huge array of upgrade cards, the Firespray-31's array of upgrade cards, and the Imperial pilot cards for the Firespray. Individual blisters would leave you with normal blisters' worth of upgrade cards: considerably less.

i was kind of aiming for both MW and seperate ones mw as a good scum starter and the separate ships for when you'd want a more specific one without paying another 40 (though for scum Z's and possibly Y's the MW will likely be all you want)

also i was more giving a reason why people would want to see scum refit xpacs rather then complaining about the value of a single MW pack.

Then I must of misunderstood your point. Because I agree with that. I'd love to see a S&V Firespray and HWK released. Preferably with alt paint, but even without it would be good. I'd also like to see a single expansion for the S&V Y and Z-95.

And I am fairly sure this will happen at a later time...once this faction is more established and people are looking for those single ships...MW was a good way to kick this faction off...

I'd rather see new Scum ships tbh.

MW was a good way to kick this faction off...

Agreed. Back when we were debating if such a thing would ever actually happen, (which I will admit I was on the side of it wouldn't.) One of the big problems with a 3rd faction was how to get enough different ships into the game quickly.

It occurred to me that the only way to really do it would be some sort of conversion kit, something that let you use existing ships as S&V. Which is exactly what MW is, a way to get 5 different ships into the S&V faction in a single box.

Frankly anyone who has an issue with how MW is packaged doesn't understand the purpose behind it. It's a very elegant way to build up a faction quickly.

The down sides of a S&V Firespray or HWK-290 is that it takes up even more shelf space, which can be an issue. It would also require repainted models, technically it wouldn't but I can't see FFG doing anything else, which would take time. I don't know that either of those are enough of a reason to not do it. But I'm sure it's something FFG factors in.

I'd rather see new Scum ships tbh.

That's another factor, would repainted versions mean fewer new ships being put out.

Don't get me wrong, I'll say it again. Most Wanted is an excellent deal. Bang for huck, one of the best deals FFG has ever produced. Now that's out of the way, I'll say this again..

I have never proxied dials before. Why? Because we never had a crossover before. There was no point proxying a TIE Interceptor dial for me to use with Rebels, as Rebels didn't have a TIE Interceptor. See what I'm getting at here?

Rebels didn't have Firesprays, Imperials didn't have Y-wings, Hwks and Z -95's. Scum has ALL of them. There wasn't an issue before, because there wasn't any crossover. You played one or the other. Now however, I need to buy ships I already have in order to fly a Z Swarm for example. I appreciate the fact that a Scum dial was included for the HWK and Firespray - I really do, but the easier solution would have been to allow for the use of cross faction dials in ALL levels of play.

If you want to buy multiple sets of Most Wanted, more power to you. I want it for the pilots and upgrades, not for dials I already have. I don't want nor need more than 7 or 8 Z's to run a swarm. The fact that I have 5 which aren't able to be repurposed is disheartening.

If you want to buy multiple sets of Most Wanted, more power to you. I want it for the pilots and upgrades, not for dials I already have. I don't want nor need more than 7 or 8 Z's to run a swarm. The fact that I have 5 which aren't able to be repurposed is disheartening.

But you don't have the pilot cards to repurpose them either unless you fly a very specific combination of Z-95s.

It really wouldn't take much effort to make some dials that couldn't be distinguished from the real thing. Some hardboard of the same thickness, a colour printer, pva, spray varnish, and dullcote. I'm sure you could get those centre studs from ebay or something...