Newbie Questions about Framework/Player Action windows

By ultimax, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

I have been trying to get a good handle on the rules via the FAQ and I have a couple of questions about the Framework/Player Action windows. Thanks for any clarification you can give me.

1. During step 5 of both the player & framework action window (responses), can a effect with the text "Any Phase: ..." be triggered or is it limited only to effects with the text "Response: ..." ? An example would be, Ser Preston Greenfield (The Kingsguard) which has text "Any Phase: Return a Kingsguard or Queensguard character you control to shadows. (Limit once per round.)." Could he ever trigger this ability after he is killed by claim or an event?

2. Am I correct in interpreting that other than save/cancel responses, a triggered effect will always resolve before anyone has a opportunity to trigger a response?

3. Similarly, am I correct in interpreting that in a Framework action window, other than that save/cancel responses, there is no opportunity to trigger a response untill all framework events are resolved? I.e., in the framework action for challenge resolution, no player can play responses (other than save/cancel) starting from step 1. Determination of challenge winner until after step 5. resolve deadly.

1. During step 5 of both the player & framework action window (responses), can a effect with the text "Any Phase: ..." be triggered or is it limited only to effects with the text "Response: ..." ? An example would be, Ser Preston Greenfield (The Kingsguard) which has text "Any Phase: Return a Kingsguard or Queensguard character you control to shadows. (Limit once per round.)." Could he ever trigger this ability after he is killed by claim or an event?

Nope. You can only trigger an any phase ability *as* a player action, which could then be responded to in turn. As soon as all passives/responses to that action have closed, the next opportunity for a player action opens. If some kill effect (be it a framework effect like claim, or a player action like Ser Ilyn Payne) triggers on Preston, your next opportunity to trigger him would be in the next player action window, at which point he'd be 'long' dead.

2. Am I correct in interpreting that other than save/cancel responses, a triggered effect will always resolve before anyone has a opportunity to trigger a response?

Yup. Save/cancel responses are the only things that 'interrupt' the normal timing.
3. Similarly, am I correct in interpreting that in a Framework action window, other than that save/cancel responses, there is no opportunity to trigger a response untill all framework events are resolved? I.e., in the framework action for challenge resolution, no player can play responses (other than save/cancel) starting from step 1. Determination of challenge winner until after step 5. resolve deadly.

Precisely. All passives to winning the challenge, settling claim, rewarding unopposed, renown, deadly would resolve AFTER all of those events had occured, followed by all responses to the above (And the passives). Also note that the responses don't have to be triggered in the order the triggering conditions happens: once you reach the opportunity to trigger responses, you can just as easily trigger the response to getting power for renown before the response to winning the challenge, without depriving your opponent of the ability to do the same.

These are not necessarily very intuitive concepts, and for a self-proclaimed "newbie", you appear to have a solid grasp on them already! Well done!

Edited by -Istaril

These are not necessarily very intuitive concepts, and for a self-proclaimed "newbie", you appear to have a solid grasp on them already! Well done!

Quoted for truth. Question #3 especially trips up people who have been playing for years and you got it, first try.