Hi everyone!
Any of you knows how to calculate the total encumbrance of vehicles?
Because my players want to load a landspeeder on their freighter, and I don't know if they would have cargo space...
How much encumbrance?
More importantly, how would the land speeder actually *fit* on the freighter? Not every freighter is equipped with a car-sized loading ramp, or a large enough hold to accommodate something that large.
What freighter are they flying, and what speeder are they trying to load?
It's largely up to the GM, there is no method for calculating the Enc of a vehicle. If you want them to have a landspeeder, let em have it.
It's a YT-1300
It's a YT-1300
If you can find someplace to fit a landspeeder here, have at it
If your crew wants to transport speeders, I would suggest picking up a Wayfarer .
I think the most important question here is, do you want them to have one on their ship or not? If you're worried they're going to slap heavy weapons on it and use it in every combat encounter then you probably don't. If, on the other hand, you don't think this is going to be a problem, just let them have it. You can just handwave how they get it in and out of the cargo hold; most ships can realistically be said to have after-market modifications to their cargo ramps/lifts/whatever.
As for Encumbrance, I'd deduct some 25-30 Encumbrance from the ship's maximum while the speeder is in the hold (assuming a Silhouette 3 vehicle). It's not just how much it weighs, but also how much space it takes up in the hold. It's not just floor space, either; you can't stack 10 tons of cargo on top of a speeder.
I'll just echo what's been said before, it shouldn't be an issue to put a speeder (think motorcycle) onto a freighter somewhere. Most people can fit one in their garage with a car as well. However, getting it into and out of storage is going to be a challenge and certainly can't be done quickly or during combat.
One thing that seems to be an issue in EotE is the challenge of ground transportation once parties are planet-side. Giving them the ability to lug around some kind of a speeder or truck (like the MULE in Firefly) seems -- to me -- to be a good compromise. Just make sure that they're not exploiting it for significant combat benefits. It should be another tool in their arsenal, but not a golden hammer for all problems.
It's a YT-1300
If you can find someplace to fit a landspeeder here, have at it
If your crew wants to transport speeders, I would suggest picking up a Wayfarer .
This is why my groups tend to go with speeder bikes. Easier to fit them on a ship and we can split up as needed.
It's a YT-1300
If you can find someplace to fit a landspeeder here, have at it
If your crew wants to transport speeders, I would suggest picking up a Wayfarer .
I think for the sake of argument I think you could find a speeder model that could fit in the front loading room. It would necessarily take up nearly all the space there and need to be pulled out to load or unload but I don't see it being an issue.
http://s1076.photobucket.com/user/ErikBsPics/media/mfloaded01_zps6d55a9ae.jpg.html
The minivans look a little small in this picture but eve if they are a bit larger you can still see there is enough room to park a speeder.
Edited by FuriousGreg
It's a YT-1300
If you can find someplace to fit a landspeeder here, have at it
If your crew wants to transport speeders, I would suggest picking up a Wayfarer .
I think for the sake of argument I think you could find a speeder model that could fit in the front loading room. It would necessarily take up nearly all the space there and need to be pulled out to load or unload but I don't see it being an issue.
http://s1076.photobucket.com/user/ErikBsPics/media/mfloaded01_zps6d55a9ae.jpg.html
The minivans look a little small in this picture but eve if they are a bit larger you can still see there is enough room to park a speeder.
Yeah, those minivans are way too small. I decided to do some basic math based on that picture, so I hope this helps. According to Wookipedia, the MF is 25.61 meters wide. By holding post-it notes up to my screen, I was able to determine that the width of the MF is about 6.25 times that of the front loading bay room at the ramp. 25.61 meters / 6.25 room widths means that the room is about 4.0976 meters wide, about 161 inches or 13'5". (Same length, the room appears to be square to me.)
Going to the wiki page of family cars, "Small family cars are between 4.30 m (169 in) and 4.45 m (175 in) long if they are hatchbacks, or between 4.40 m (173 in) and 4.70 m (185 in) if they are saloon or estate models." What you'll need is a car/speeder that is under 4 meters long which should be doable. You'll probably actually need it to be around 3.5 meters long to leave room at the front and back for parking without hitting walls and walking around it. Something that is smart car sized or a touch longer, a Smart Fortwo is 8.8 feet long or about 2.68 meters long. Will be kind of silly looking for 4 mean bounty hunters driving around in such a short car, but I bet with a tech wiz it can be done.
Upon further consideration I'd go with the PCs having to mod the entrance to the number two bay to store a speeder there. A tricky turn but doable.
Upon further consideration I'd go with the PCs having to mod the entrance to the number two bay to store a speeder there. A tricky turn but doable.
Just hand waving it and saying it is the case really is the easiest way. The rules for encumbrance are an eye ball guess at best as they include mass and volume. If you can find enough data points for vehicles you could crunch some numbers, and you could use humans as a baseline for a volume to encumbrance ratio. I want to say that the encumbrance for a human is 5 + Brawn, which would make an average person have 7 encumbrance. I am away from my book so I could be wrong.
SIL 1 = 54 cubic feet
SIL 2 = ???
SIL 3 = Profit! (Just kidding)
SIL 4 = 257,032 cubic feet
Frankly I did something similar for my own system and I don't think the developers cared to go into this level of detail.
I'll just echo what's been said before, it shouldn't be an issue to put a speeder (think motorcycle) onto a freighter somewhere. Most people can fit one in their garage with a car as well. However, getting it into and out of storage is going to be a challenge and certainly can't be done quickly or during combat.
One thing that seems to be an issue in EotE is the challenge of ground transportation once parties are planet-side. Giving them the ability to lug around some kind of a speeder or truck (like the MULE in Firefly) seems -- to me -- to be a good compromise. Just make sure that they're not exploiting it for significant combat benefits. It should be another tool in their arsenal, but not a golden hammer for all problems.
A landspeeder is akin to a car or van, not a motorcycle. A "speeder bike" is what you're thinking, and that sort of thing is indeed stowable on most freighters.
Going cross-universe, a Firefly-class transport (like Serenity ) would look more like the Wayfarer-class than the YT-1300. The Millenium Falcon didn't have the cavernous cargo hold that Serenity does. Its cargo load lift is, at the very best, 6x6 meters. And the doorway from the lift to the hold is 2 meters across. No way you're getting a minivan in there. It just won't fit. That was the point of my previous post.
The Millenium Falcon is like a Space U-Haul. You wanna do better than hooking your car up to a towing hitch, get yourself a bigger rig designed for actually hauling other vehicles. The Wayfarer-class transport is the Space Semi (Space Lorry for our British friends) that can haul landspeeders.
But "lugging" is a good term, I think, because it gives one an interesting idea: perhaps you could build some kind of external clamp on the hull of a YT-series freighter, like a Space Bike Rack. Make it eat up some hard pointage, maybe reduce the encumbrance capacity slightly, and there you have it.
I think for the sake of argument I think you could find a speeder model that could fit in the front loading room. It would necessarily take up nearly all the space there and need to be pulled out to load or unload but I don't see it being an issue.
http://s1076.photobucket.com/user/ErikBsPics/media/mfloaded01_zps6d55a9ae.jpg.html
The minivans look a little small in this picture but eve if they are a bit larger you can still see there is enough room to park a speeder.
For reference, those squares on the original picture are 1.5m square. Going by that scale, and the size of the dejarik table as well, those minivans are definitely unrealistically small. I don't think you're gonna find anything smaller than an ATV with that small a wheelbase.
I'll just echo what's been said before, it shouldn't be an issue to put a speeder (think motorcycle) onto a freighter somewhere. Most people can fit one in their garage with a car as well. However, getting it into and out of storage is going to be a challenge and certainly can't be done quickly or during combat.
One thing that seems to be an issue in EotE is the challenge of ground transportation once parties are planet-side. Giving them the ability to lug around some kind of a speeder or truck (like the MULE in Firefly) seems -- to me -- to be a good compromise. Just make sure that they're not exploiting it for significant combat benefits. It should be another tool in their arsenal, but not a golden hammer for all problems.
A landspeeder is akin to a car or van, not a motorcycle. A "speeder bike" is what you're thinking, and that sort of thing is indeed stowable on most freighters.
Ah! My mistake. I thought "speeder" referred to a speeder bike. Indeed, an actual multi-person car-like speeder would not fit on a 1300 without the addition of a car-sized ramp for loading and unloading. However, it's likely that a forklift-type vehicle could fit without too much trouble, judging by the size of the ramp from Ep. IV.
I'll just echo what's been said before, it shouldn't be an issue to put a speeder (think motorcycle) onto a freighter somewhere. Most people can fit one in their garage with a car as well. However, getting it into and out of storage is going to be a challenge and certainly can't be done quickly or during combat.
One thing that seems to be an issue in EotE is the challenge of ground transportation once parties are planet-side. Giving them the ability to lug around some kind of a speeder or truck (like the MULE in Firefly) seems -- to me -- to be a good compromise. Just make sure that they're not exploiting it for significant combat benefits. It should be another tool in their arsenal, but not a golden hammer for all problems.
A landspeeder is akin to a car or van, not a motorcycle. A "speeder bike" is what you're thinking, and that sort of thing is indeed stowable on most freighters.
Ah! My mistake. I thought "speeder" referred to a speeder bike. Indeed, an actual multi-person car-like speeder would not fit on a 1300 without the addition of a car-sized ramp for loading and unloading. However, it's likely that a forklift-type vehicle could fit without too much trouble, judging by the size of the ramp from Ep. IV.
Just gotta find a speeder that's compact enough yo.
Actually Fly Casual has some speeder style tractor beam fork lifts which look like fun.
After reading all the replies, I think the best is to use the common sense, according to the size and dimensions of the cargo hold in the freighter.
External clamps are possible. The book even mentions using them for fighters.
After reading all the replies, I think the best is to use the common sense, according to the size and dimensions of the cargo hold in the freighter.
More importantly, what's the size of the door/ramp through which you're driving the vehicle? The cargo hold might be 20 square feet, but what if the door is no bigger than 6 feet across? And where is the hold located? Do you have to go down any narrow hallways to access it?
The design of the vehicle is important here. Is the vehicle designed to carry other vehicles, or is it designed primarily for goods delivery? If it's designed for crews to be able to unload it by hand, then all you need is a person-sized access hatch. But if it's designed to be unloaded by vehicle, or if it's designed to carry ground cars or landspeeders (or to be unloaded by them), it will have a larger means of entry & egress to accommodate.
But yes, as you say—common sense.
Edited by awayputurwpnAnd don't forget the YT-1300 was one of the most heavily modified freighters in the galaxy, including internal layout. It's not inconceivable (would you stop saying that) that they've had it modified with a wider ramp and better access to the cargo bay, and I suspect it wouldn't be that difficult or expensive, if you wanted to make it a sub-adventure. (Perhaps they actually do need the cargo ramp from a Wayfarer.)