Hello,

In the recent article about the release of wave 6, FFG and Paul Heaver proposed 4 builds to start with the Scum & Villainy faction.

Do you have an idea of the cost of the builds ? How could you accomodate the efficiency of a build regarding to your budget ?

So I almost complete the improvement of an existing feature in the Fab's squadrons builder to display the low and high budget (I will use FFG official list price) for a build and by viewing the repartition of the card by extension (already available) you reduce the budget by sacrifying some cards, this part is already available through the "MATH" feature, the budget part is ready and will be in production within 2 weeks.

=> http://fabpsb.free.fr/

So this is the results for the 4 builds from this article : https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/2/19/it-is-the-future-you-see-wave-6/

BUILD 1 :

1 • Serissu - M3-A Interceptor (20) - Elusiveness (2) - Stealth Device (3)
2 • Binayre Pirate - Z-95 Headhunter (12) - 'Hot Shot'' Blaster (3)
3 • Binayre Pirate - Z-95 Headhunter (12) - 'Hot Shot'' Blaster (3)
4 • Binayre Pirate - Z-95 Headhunter (12) - 'Hot Shot'' Blaster (3)
5 • Binayre Pirate - Z-95 Headhunter (12) - 'Hot Shot'' Blaster (3)
6 • Binayre Pirate - Z-95 Headhunter (12) - 'Hot Shot'' Blaster (3)

So pretty big budget from this obe between 209.65 $ and 244.65 $

BUILD 2 :

1 • Guri - StarViper (30) - Push The Limit (3) - Advanced Sensors (3) - Inertial Dampeners (1) - Autothrusters (2) - Virago (1)
2 • Cartel Spacer - M3-A Interceptor (14) - "Mangler" Cannon (4) - "Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (2)
3 • Cartel Spacer - M3-A Interceptor (14) - "Mangler" Cannon (4) - "Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (2)
4 • Cartel Spacer - M3-A Interceptor (14) - "Mangler" Cannon (4) - "Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (2)

So the more affordable build of the article, between 94.70 $ and 124.70 $

BUILD 3 :

1 • Emon Azzameen - Firespray-31 (36) - Proximity Mine (3) - Proximity Mine (3) - Proximity Mine (3) - Experimental Interface (3) - Andrasta (0)
2 • Kath Scarlet - Firespray-31 (38) - Push The Limit (3) - K4 Security Droid (3) - Engine Upgrade (4)

You can cut the price of this build by 30 $ by choosing another upgrade than the "Engine upgrade" only available in the "Millenium Falcon" expansion.

Between 204.65 $ and 219.65 $

BUILD 4 :

1 • Kavil - Y-wing (24) - Push The Limit (3) - Autoblaster Turret (2) - Unhinged Astromech (1) - Engine Upgrade (4)
2 • Mandalorian Mercenary - Firespray-31 (35) - Gunner (5)
3 • Black Sun Soldier - Z-95 Headhunter (13)
4 • Black Sun Soldier - Z-95 Headhunter (13)

As above, you can cut the price of this build by 30 $ by choosing another upgrade than the "Engine upgrade" only available in the "Millenium Falcon" expansion.

Between 114.80 $ and 129.80 $

Pretty cool or pretty useless, I let you decide, but I think it is funny to optimize the builds according to a budget, as the game expanded some much over the years and there are now so many possibilities.

bye

Fab

Still like half the price a 40k or WFB army would cost you for 1000pts, and a quarter of what a tournament sized force would cost (thats just models not glue, paint and everything else).

Think I spent 230 some.

I'll be able to throw most of that together.

Just wish they added extra z95 dial in the most wanted like they did for the ywing.

I'm 1 short on a z95 for that first build.

Since I have three already for rebels, and will have four for scum, Im not going to buy a third.

Though I can probably always just borrow a dial from someone

Think I spent 230 some.

I'll be able to throw most of that together.

Just wish they added extra z95 dial in the most wanted like they did for the ywing.

I'm 1 short on a z95 for that first build.

Since I have three already for rebels, and will have four for scum, Im not going to buy a third.

Though I can probably always just borrow a dial from someone

You know, It is same thing for me and I will add 100€+ next week with the release of Scum & Villainy in France ;-)

Still like half the price a 40k or WFB army would cost you for 1000pts, and a quarter of what a tournament sized force would cost (thats just models not glue, paint and everything else).

I don't see the point in these comparisons. 40k armies are more expensive, but the value (considering the hobby related activity time in preparing them, the number of models, and the superior quality of the models) of 40k armies can't really be compared to an X-Wing force in a meaningful way.

What the OP communicated to me is that this game is really more expensive than I previously thought. I regularly tell people that they can play X-Wing for $75, which now seems to be a bit misleading. of course someone can buy two starter sets and a single rebel expansion, but then they are really missing out on list building, which is a huge part of the game.

Not expensive at all.

Look at it this way.

How much does the average person spend on coffee, snacks and or eating out in a week?

How much does the average person spend if going to a movie or going to the bar on a Saturday night.

Spending 20-30 bucks a week for a hobby you enjoy and get many hours of entertainment is a pretty **** good deal.

You do not need to run out and buy everything at once.

Buy a ship or two every week or two is actually easy, even when on a budget

Interesting, but I'm not completely convinced that's what most players will pay to make up those builds given that the cards come from ships that have been out a fair while. Sure, the pirate swarm is going to set you back some, but that's the same with any Swarms.

Also keep in mind that you can shave ~1/3 off these numbers by buying online.

Still like half the price a 40k or WFB army would cost you for 1000pts, and a quarter of what a tournament sized force would cost (thats just models not glue, paint and everything else).

I don't see the point in these comparisons. 40k armies are more expensive, but the value (considering the hobby related activity time in preparing them, the number of models, and the superior quality of the models) of 40k armies can't really be compared to an X-Wing force in a meaningful way.

What the OP communicated to me is that this game is really more expensive than I previously thought. I regularly tell people that they can play X-Wing for $75, which now seems to be a bit misleading. of course someone can buy two starter sets and a single rebel expansion, but then they are really missing out on list building, which is a huge part of the game.

Of course they can be compared it's the cost to start one game versus another simple as that and by comparison x-wing is not that expensive.

40k starter is £65

X-wing is £25

Battletech is £45

Flames of war £45

Bolt action £60

See how simple and straight forward that is?

You can get a fully playable list in x-wing for £60 easy, that amount does not even cover the rule books for 40k.

X-wing is the second most popular miniature game on the market it makes perfect sense to compare it to the number one game.

Yes. How simple. I can't believe that I couldn't do that myself. Thank you.

You can also compare the color blue to the taste of shrimp - the issue is what the comparison is worth, not whether or not you are capable of making it.

Neithet the starter set for 40k nor the starter set for X-Wing allow you to actually play the full version of either game, so they are not reasonably representative of the actual cost to play.

The point is that 40k models and X-Wing models have very different values. Both are pieces for a game, but one is high quality, multi-part model kit designed to be customized. So, they cost more, but they are also used differently and work for a rule set that allows for much more involved gameplay.

Saying that X-Wing is cheaper than 40k is like saying that Risk is cheaper than X-Wing. It is true and both are games, but it doesn't really mean much.

Edit: Is X-Wing more popular than Warmachine/Hordes? Also, where did you get that information from?

Shrimp and the color blue taste quite similar

Just to clarify, the purpose is not say that it is expensive or not, it is just a way to know what you have to buy to do some builds and how you can refine them to accomodate to your budget or to try to convince your wife that your are able to do a competive build for a very affordable price .

It is just for fun, don't take it too seriously, the Fab's squadrons builder is only done for that purpose and to help players to enjoy this so great game.

You need to add another Most Wanted ($39.95) to Build #3 because you have to get another dial for that second Scum Firespray. The pushed the cost of that build to the $244 to $260 range making it the most expensive by far.

You need to add another Most Wanted ($39.95) to Build #3 because you have to get another dial for that second Scum Firespray. The pushed the cost of that build to the $244 to $260 range making it the most expensive by far.

You are right, a bug to fix...

Edit: Is X-Wing more popular than Warmachine/Hordes? Also, where did you get that information from?

Boardgame Geek actually lists X-Wing as the number one Minis game and Amazon's top three best selling minis game products are from X-Wing.

You need to add another Most Wanted ($39.95) to Build #3 because you have to get another dial for that second Scum Firespray. The pushed the cost of that build to the $244 to $260 range making it the most expensive by far.

You are right, a bug to fix...

And I HATE that I'm right. Figure they should have saved the cardboard for those dials by allowing the ships to use the dials they came with and added a few more ship tiles for more cross-over. It would certainly help with those Headhunter swarms.

Think I spent 230 some.

I'll be able to throw most of that together.

Just wish they added extra z95 dial in the most wanted like they did for the ywing.

I'm 1 short on a z95 for that first build.

Since I have three already for rebels, and will have four for scum, Im not going to buy a third.

Though I can probably always just borrow a dial from someone

Ugh. This.

I have six Z-95s presently, considering getting two MW packs, which will mean a total of ten ship models, and I still wont legally be able to play a full 8-ship Z-95 swarm for either team. This artificial dial restriction is incredibly frustrating.

Yes. How simple. I can't believe that I couldn't do that myself. Thank you.

You can also compare the color blue to the taste of shrimp - the issue is what the comparison is worth, not whether or not you are capable of making it.

Neithet the starter set for 40k nor the starter set for X-Wing allow you to actually play the full version of either game, so they are not reasonably representative of the actual cost to play.

The point is that 40k models and X-Wing models have very different values. Both are pieces for a game, but one is high quality, multi-part model kit designed to be customized. So, they cost more, but they are also used differently and work for a rule set that allows for much more involved gameplay.

Saying that X-Wing is cheaper than 40k is like saying that Risk is cheaper than X-Wing. It is true and both are games, but it doesn't really mean much.

Edit: Is X-Wing more popular than Warmachine/Hordes? Also, where did you get that information from?

Let's make some comparisons. A single X-wing expansion cost around the same as a single hero model (not a special character) for Warhammer. I admit that they cannot be considered to be of equal value, but it helps to consider what GW would have charged if they had made X-wing. I'm speculating here but I am fairly certain that GW would charge a slightly higher price for an expansion, BUT the ship would not be assembled or painted nor would the pack include any cards. Those would instead be made available as a codex, ie a separate book.

Yes. How simple. I can't believe that I couldn't do that myself. Thank you.

You can also compare the color blue to the taste of shrimp - the issue is what the comparison is worth, not whether or not you are capable of making it.

Neithet the starter set for 40k nor the starter set for X-Wing allow you to actually play the full version of either game, so they are not reasonably representative of the actual cost to play.

The point is that 40k models and X-Wing models have very different values. Both are pieces for a game, but one is high quality, multi-part model kit designed to be customized. So, they cost more, but they are also used differently and work for a rule set that allows for much more involved gameplay.

Saying that X-Wing is cheaper than 40k is like saying that Risk is cheaper than X-Wing. It is true and both are games, but it doesn't really mean much.

Edit: Is X-Wing more popular than Warmachine/Hordes? Also, where did you get that information from?

Let's make some comparisons. A single X-wing expansion cost around the same as a single hero model (not a special character) for Warhammer. I admit that they cannot be considered to be of equal value, but it helps to consider what GW would have charged if they had made X-wing. I'm speculating here but I am fairly certain that GW would charge a slightly higher price for an expansion, BUT the ship would not be assembled or painted nor would the pack include any cards. Those would instead be made available as a codex, ie a separate book.

Exactly gw pricing is not based on production costs but on how many points that models worth, a space marine captain not a named character is £18 but a squad of ten guys is only £5 more.

Size does not dictate their prices either a riptide is £50 but an imperial knight is £85.

X-wing prices are for the most part fixed, some kits are a bit bigger and so a bit more expensive but you don't see them charging more for the phantom than they do the tie fighter.

What's more gw don't pay licencing fees to anyone nor do they make stuff over seas and have to pay for transport and associated costs, yet even though I live in the country they are based in I must pay way over the odds because it's a gw product.

40k hasn't been good value for money for a long time and I scoff at the idea that x-wing is too expensive when you have a money grabbing company like games workshop around.

Still like half the price a 40k or WFB army would cost you for 1000pts, and a quarter of what a tournament sized force would cost (thats just models not glue, paint and everything else).

I don't see the point in these comparisons. 40k armies are more expensive, but the value (considering the hobby related activity time in preparing them, the number of models, and the superior quality of the models) of 40k armies can't really be compared to an X-Wing force in a meaningful way.

What the OP communicated to me is that this game is really more expensive than I previously thought. I regularly tell people that they can play X-Wing for $75, which now seems to be a bit misleading. of course someone can buy two starter sets and a single rebel expansion, but then they are really missing out on list building, which is a huge part of the game.

Of course they can be compared it's the cost to start one game versus another simple as that and by comparison x-wing is not that expensive.

40k starter is £65

X-wing is £25

Battletech is £45

Flames of war £45

Bolt action £60

See how simple and straight forward that is?

You can get a fully playable list in x-wing for £60 easy, that amount does not even cover the rule books for 40k.

X-wing is the second most popular miniature game on the market it makes perfect sense to compare it to the number one game.

Or Crossfire: $10~ rulebook, $20 for every Old Glory Soviet/German mini you'll ever need as long as you don't want any tanks.

Me and my friends were in Manchester a few weeks back and we saw bolt action did a dad's army set, now that won't mean much to mericans but to us Brits dads army is a cherished little telly show we grew up with.

As a result we are considering getting into it, for under £100 you get a full list and your looking at £1 a model and under 20 for the tanks which again to former 40k players is really cheap.

You'll save tons of money if you have some local cool people who let you borrow their cards

Me and my friends were in Manchester a few weeks back and we saw bolt action did a dad's army set, now that won't mean much to mericans but to us Brits dads army is a cherished little telly show we grew up with.

As a result we are considering getting into it, for under £100 you get a full list and your looking at £1 a model and under 20 for the tanks which again to former 40k players is really cheap.

Buying a house in the upper west side of Manhattan would be considered cheap to former 40k players

Would I buy a second Falcon for Engine Upgrade? Nope. I bought a second Falcon because it's awesome to own a second Falcon.

I do appreciate knowing how much a build costs, that's interesting information! But I'm not buying a kit to use its components once, most of the time I'm buying the ship for the sake of owning it as part of my collection. Heck! I'll never run 9 Squints in a single list, but I've got 3 in each color because doing so is awesome.

Would I buy a second Falcon for Engine Upgrade? Nope. I bought a second Falcon because it's awesome to own a second Falcon.

I do appreciate knowing how much a build costs, that's interesting information! But I'm not buying a kit to use its components once, most of the time I'm buying the ship for the sake of owning it as part of my collection. Heck! I'll never run 9 Squints in a single list, but I've got 3 in each color because doing so is awesome.

FFG thinks you are the ideal customer.

This is interesting information- thanks. It also emphasizes how much I'm not going to play those lists. I've got a core set (don't remember how much I paid- maybe $35), a HWK ($12 at FLGS on sale) and a Y-Wing ($5 used), and I'm waiting for preorders of Most Wanted ($15 after cashing in loyalty points), IG-2000 ($20 on Miniature Market), and StarViper ($14 on Miniature Market). That's about $100 (side note: don't tell my wife). (I have other expansions, too, for cards.) Whatever Scum squads I fly, it'll be with those guys. And it'll be so much fun! :-D