Ten Numb's Crits

By mazz0, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Say Ten Numb rolls two crits, and the defender rolls one evade. How many get through? To put it another way, which of the two crits can't be cancelled?

One of those crits is getting through, because there's no evade to cancel it. Does the second one get through because it can't be cancelled, or can the defender say "no, the other one was the one that can't be cancelled"?

Edited by mazz0

Say Ten Numb rolls two crits, and the defender rolls one evade. How many get through? To put it another way, which of the two crits can't be cancelled?

One of those crits is getting through, because there's no evade to cancel it. Does the second one get through because it can't be cancelled, or can the defender say "no, the other one was the one that can't be cancelled"?

One crit will get through.

Ten Nunb's ability only matters if all [KABLAM] results would be canceled, at which point one becomes uncancelable.

To put it another way, set one [KABLAM] result to the side, cancel the rest of the dice as normal, then resolve damage.

Say Ten Numb rolls two crits, and the defender rolls one evade. How many get through? To put it another way, which of the two crits can't be cancelled?

One of those crits is getting through, because there's no evade to cancel it. Does the second one get through because it can't be cancelled, or can the defender say "no, the other one was the one that can't be cancelled"?

One crit will get through.

Ten Nunb's ability only matters if all [KABLAM] results would be canceled, at which point one becomes uncancelable.

To put it another way, set one [KABLAM] result to the side, cancel the rest of the dice as normal, then resolve damage.

Has FFG confirmed that? Not saying you're wrong, just curious.

Has FFG confirmed that? Not saying you're wrong, just curious.

They don't have to... The card is already clear.

In your scenario (Ten Numb rolls 2 crits, defendre rolls 1 evade) :

  • one of the crit results will be un-cancelable
  • the evade result will be used to cancel one hit

It makes no sens for the attacker to say that the evade result was used to cancel the un-cancelable crit...

The only relevant FAQ entry is the one regarding Dice Results:

Results that are added are treated as dice results that can only be canceled (they cannot be modified or rerolled). For example, when attacking with “Autoblaster” a result added by an evade token cannot cancel a result.

This sounds a little bit like "I have two coins totaling 30 cents and one is not a nickle" :)

I really don't understand how so many people get confused by this. One kaboom cannot be cancelled. That pretty much means that any kabooms beyond the first CAN be cancelled.

Edited by Forgottenlore

Maybe they're thinking after the cards have been dealt, then one is canceled (the actual crit part comes well before this stage)? I dunno

This question reminds me of the riddle from scrubs.

Q: "I have 30 cents. One of them is not a nickel"

A: A quarter and a nickel. One of them isn't a nickel; the other one is.

However, the rule is fine. One crit cannot be canceled. The other one can though.

This question reminds me of the riddle from scrubs.

Q: "I have 30 cents. One of them is not a nickel"

A: A quarter and a nickel. One of them isn't a nickel; the other one is.

However, the rule is fine. One crit cannot be canceled. The other one can though.

3 posts above yours.

And yes, to both of you, it is exactly like that.

I don't think it's as clear as you all do (obviously). I'm inclined to think your answer is right, but it is ambiguous (and isn't it annoying when people act like you're an idiot or crazy for questioning something they think is obvious?).

You could argue that if possible you're always allowed to ignore the cancellation of one of your crits. Since there's only one such cancellation in this example, you'd say that's the one that's ignored.

It is obvious.

I don't think it's as clear as you all do (obviously). I'm inclined to think your answer is right, but it is ambiguous (and isn't it annoying when people act like you're an idiot or crazy for questioning something they think is obvious?).

You could argue that if possible you're always allowed to ignore the cancellation of one of your crits. Since there's only one such cancellation in this example, you'd say that's the one that's ignored.

It's not ambiguous.

If Ten rolls [kaboom] [kaboom] and the defense rolls [evade] then one [kaboom] automatically makes it through but that leaves the other one subject to cancellation. "Oh, you wanted to have THAT [kaboom] be the noncancelable one? Ok then, I cancel the other one with my evade."

If what it seems like you are trying to argue for, despite saying that we are right, could lead to a situation where NONE of the [kabooms] could be cancelled. I mean if Ten rolls three [kabooms] and the defense still rolls just one [evade] of course you would want to say the die that is going to get cancelled can't be but that is not how defense works.

No, what I'm saying you /could/ argue is that one crit cancelation is discarded.

I /could/ argue that the world is flat.

The bit I live on is pretty flat. The nearest hill is a couple of miles away. ;)

Edited by Parravon

I've seen the same argument before and it doesn't work. Here's why:

In order to obey the pilot ability, one crit must remain uncanceled. How the defender cancels anything else is up to them, not you. So, you roll 2 crits, defender has one evade result. Defender cancels a crit. Is the card text on Ten satisfied? Yes. It states "When attacking, one of your [kaboom] results cannot be canceled by defense dice". That's not saying you get to pick which one in any way, or that it means that the defenders evade gets absorbed. All it is saying is that ONE of your crits is immune to defense dice. That's it. The argument is adding another imaginary layer of complexity onto the issue. Just read the card. Is the text satisfied? Yes, one of your crits was not canceled. Anything besides that one single crit is fair game. If you do it your way you're saying that neither of the two crits is cancelable by defense dice, which is incorrect. The pilot ability says one, not two.

Edited by AtillaTheFun

If you do it your way you're saying that neither of the two crits is cancelable by defense dice, which is incorrect. The pilot ability says one, not two.

No you're not. If you roll two evades then one of them works.

If you do it your way you're saying that neither of the two crits is cancelable by defense dice, which is incorrect. The pilot ability says one, not two.

No you're not. If you roll two evades then one of them works.

What I was referring to is the scenario in which two crits are rolled and neither is canceled by a single evade rolled. In that case both of your crits are being protected by Ten's ability. If one is un-cancelable then the other one is not. Therefore, one of the crits gets canceled. If the ability were to work as is postulated then it would have to read "When attacking, the first time a critical hit result would be canceled, it is not canceled". The way it reads now what you basically do is take a single crit from your attack roll, set it off to the side, exclude it from the compare results phase of the attack, and bring it back in during the deal damage phase of the attack. Saying that it prevents the first cancellation of a crit that would occur is not a strict reading of what the card says. It protects one crit and one crit only, all others are cancel-able.

Anyway I fired off a question to FFG so I'll have an email response to nail it down (hopefully) soon.

Attila the fun is correct ten states that 1 is unchangeable so it the ship being fired at has a evade token they can shake one of the crits

before they faq'd it you could get rid of the crit with a evade token, but they changed that I believe in faq 2.1

Got this today:

Hello,
In response to your rules question:

Hello! Rules question regarding Ten Numb: Does his ability only protect one crit, leaving all others subject to cancellation by evade results? The scenario is that Ten Numb attacks, rolls two crits. Defender has one evade result. Is one of the two crits canceled or is the single evade result subject to Ten's ability? Thank you!

Ten Numb’s ability only affects 1 critical result. Therefore only 1 critical is not canceled and 1 is. In this instance Ten Numb’s ability has no effect.
Thanks for playing,
Frank Brooks
Associate Creative Content Developer
Fantasy Flight Games


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