Hi folks,

Didn't see anyone else mention this, but FFG announced they will have Episode 7 content. No games specified though.

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/nyc-toy-fair-fantasy-flight-confirms-star-wars-episode-vii-involvement-415258

I imagine it will be for all of them unless my unlikely fear that all of the capital ships, and fighters in the Sequel trilogy will be rehashes of OT models comes true.

Hm, I don't mind the idea that the ST will have mostly OT ships. Of course, it's good for them to have more and different things that can be brought to the game, but I don't think there's much of a shortage of OT-era stuff to be produced.

I hope they do OT and ep 7 that can be used. Will keep Armada viable as a game for a long time.

Hopefully there are differences between the ships. After all GL made his money on the toys, and you need a new model for a new toy.

God only knows at this point. All we have is a 1 min trailer that didn't show any capital ships at all... The falcon looked about the same and the tie fighters looked exactly like the old tie fighters. The x-wings looked like they had been upgraded at least a little.

I don't have a link but I remember seeing an article on some of the new ships that would be featured in the movies, and I don't think much beyond the VERY iconic ships will be anything like what we saw in the old trilogy.

Here's actually a cool thought. Since FFG worked with... Disney I suppose?... to create the Raider, what if that collaboration went both ways? I think it would be awesome to see some EU ships in the movie thanks to FFGs input, or even an Imperial Raider or three since they worked on it together. Sneak preview of the year methinks.

Hm, I don't mind the idea that the ST will have mostly OT ships. Of course, it's good for them to have more and different things that can be brought to the game, but I don't think there's much of a shortage of OT-era stuff to be produced.

I don't mind seeing the OT designs in service still. I wouldn't even mind seeing the PT designs still in service since at least warship wise there is precedent for warships or upgraded models of older warship designs remaining in use for 40 years or longer. And I believe some forces still have MIG-21 and F4 Phantom II models in service so the same is true for fighters.

I would be upset though if there were no new fighter or warship designs in the ST because I find the idea of all efforts to create new designs for military craft ceasing after Endor to be ludicrous.

Here's hoping JJ gives us some cool new ships

I would actually like to see the opposite,with only minor updates to the iconic OT ships, such as the new x-wing. Nothing in the PT came close to the initial shock and awe of seeing an ISD for the first time, or the coolness factor when the x-wings locked S-Foils. In the EU, even 30 years ABY, the ISD deuce was still the most feared ship of the line 8n the galaxy (not counting plot driving super ships obviously)

All I really want from VII is to have a proper opening. Seeing an ISD moving through space. That is how every Movie (every movie that counts!) has opened, and it is how each book in the Thrawn Trilogy opened (a no doubt deliberate circumstance). That is the first requirement for Force Awakens.

I really don't think your going to see radically different ships. JJ is nostalgic and he will want to keep things close to the OT.

I think it's funny that, with a new movie coming out, most of us really just want new toys to play with.

Also, I'm guessing that we'll see a mix of old and new ships, mostly old, at least in this first movie.

I would actually like to see the opposite,with only minor updates to the iconic OT ships, such as the new x-wing. Nothing in the PT came close to the initial shock and awe of seeing an ISD for the first time, or the coolness factor when the x-wings locked S-Foils. In the EU, even 30 years ABY, the ISD deuce waar different manner.s still the most feared ship of the line 8n the galaxy (not counting plot driving super ships obviously)

I've said it before and I'll say it again. It makes absolutely no sense for development of new ships to stop with the craft we see in the OT given the amount of time that passes between the trilogies. And what gives you the idea that ISD-IIs were the most feared ships of the Line.30 years after Endor. still well known sure but most feared is a far different manner. Just because some of the EU authors preferred to use OT designs rather then newer designs for their role in the stories does not make the older designs better then the new ones.

Well lets look at the Military of today as opposed to 30 years ago in the United States. In 1985 we had F-16's which are still the mainstay fighter today. We had nuclear powered aircraft carriers which were and still are the most formidable naval ships. Sure we have the F-22 (mostly a dud) and stealth fighters and such but in the end the basic looks haven't changed much in 30 years. The M1 Abrams was then and still is the main battle tank. I could go on and on but you get my point. So why would things have so radically changed in the Star Wars universe in just 30 years time?

Sure, but let's change which 30 years we're looking at to say, 1935-65. Major conflicts have a tendency to accelerate technological advances

Edit: Also, thinking a little more on this makes me wonder if major conflicts also simply reveal covert advances. The navy in particular has been working on some pretty complex stuff, but there's no reason for them to show off everything we're capable of outside said major conflict, and plenty of reason for them not to. Back to my main point, I think you're looking at the wrong 30 years to make a fair comparison.

I really don't think your going to see radically different ships. JJ is nostalgic and he will want to keep things close to the OT.

Is JJ nostalgic r/e Star Wars? Or in general?

( IMHO: I did not see his treatment of Star Trek as anything like nostalgic... )

I really don't think your going to see radically different ships. JJ is nostalgic and he will want to keep things close to the OT.

Is JJ nostalgic r/e Star Wars? Or in general?

( IMHO: I did not see his treatment of Star Trek as anything like nostalgic... )

JJ has confessed to being much more of a Star Wars than Star Trek fan.

I'm sure that statement made Pepto Bismal a hot commodity in the Trekkie community.

Sure, but let's change which 30 years we're looking at to say, 1935-65. Major conflicts have a tendency to accelerate technological advances

Edit: Also, thinking a little more on this makes me wonder if major conflicts also simply reveal covert advances. The navy in particular has been working on some pretty complex stuff, but there's no reason for them to show off everything we're capable of outside said major conflict, and plenty of reason for them not to. Back to my main point, I think you're looking at the wrong 30 years to make a fair comparison.

There are enormous incentives to improve technology during wartime, however it also ties up an astounding amount of resources. However it has only been a couple hundred years since this has been the case. Historically the weapons you use to fight in a war were quite literally your grandparents weapons.

Historically armies couldn't "take a punch". Alexander the great's army was about 50,000 people. To put that in perspective the losses in World War 1 were 100,000... a month.

Now I can only imagine how terrible a real war would be now. All the "hidden" weapons that have been developed (anti satellite weapons, hacked electrical grids, soldiers blinded by lasers)

Anyways on topic... I would still hate to have an Iowa class battleship show on my coast, even though it is 70 years later.

IMO The main reason the F-22 was a dud, much like the reason only three Seawolf class subs built was because the major threat that had driven their development collapsed. And even then development of new models of attack subs and fighters continued, and development of new hardware designs is ongoing..

Also the situation in Star Wars post Return of the Jedi is from what we have seen is much closer to that during the World Wars then during the current era IMO. The war is ongoing, or at the very least lasted a long, long time and is in the mopping up phases.

And I never said that I think the OT designs should vanish by the ST. In fact I said the opposite basically that I wouldn't be shocked to see some PT designs in use in the ST. But there is a huge difference between the older models being in use and a complete absence of newer designs.

Although I am excited to see what Episode VII will bring, I rest in the knowledge and comfort that we all ready have the BEST OT ships available so...even if things turn sour as with the PT, the old is still as good as gold. Hehe.

Honestly while I didn't love the ship inventory used in the PT I never hated any of the individual designs.

The Iowa class is a great example

70 year old hull, but was upgraded several times to make it viable in modern warfare. When finally taken off the active reserve list in ~2009, they had tomahawk tomahawk cruise missiles, CWIS, helicopters, radar guided gunnery, point defence missiles, and it's 16" guns could outrage and outshoot anything else on the water, or anything on land within 38 nautical miles

Good comparison to the ISD, it's systems would be upgraded over the years, but it's still a very powerful and versatile platform

I never said it wasn't still a powerful or useful ship but it wasn't the most advanced ship design for its role after 30 years.

Pretty much the only ways I could see the X-Wings or Imperial class Star Destroyers still being the most advanced designs in service even with upgrades are A: Somehow all the fighter and warships designers got wiped out or retired en masse and no new ones emerged or B: Some reason development focus shifted away from those types of craft. For the X-Wing it would mean the Alliance or its successor state decided to completely focus its fighter development efforts on specialist designs rather then multi-role craft. Fr the Star Destroyer they could either shift the focus to smaller warships or to super class vessels completely. I feel that the odds of any of these scenarios occurring are slim to none

If development of new battleship designs had continued rather then being halted in favor of carriers I am certain that while the Iowa class would have remained useful there would have been more advanced battleship designs in service by the end of the 1960s.