I doubt this would be good, but would it work?

By Engine25, in X-Wing

Small tangent first: Now that Scum is on the immediate horizon, many of us have gone back to theorycrafting ways to make its new cards work with old cards. While I was looking at ways to build out the IG2000, IG88-C's free evade token sparked my ideas for the free evade token that you get from Stygium Particle Accelerator.

Disclaimer: This is likely terrible, because you can't take VI or ACD on your named Phantom to make this work, but hear me out. Is it possible? According to the rules, it seems like it is.

Decloak. Free evade action from SPA. Push the limit to immediately take another action, cloak, barrel roll, or focus. Perform a green maneuver to remove the stress. At this point, it appears that you are able to take another action, as this is when your normal "Perform Action" Step occurs. You cannot Push the Limit again, but you have potentially decloaked, evaded, recloaked/barrel rolled, and focused.

Again, not likely to play this combination due to its opposition of typical Phantom Action Economy, but would it work?

Edited by Engine25

Does the exact wording of SPA give you an evade token or do you get to perform an evade action? If it allows you to perform an evade action then I don't see why not.

From what I understand, that does seem possible, but all these nested actions and stress have me so confused that I'm not even sure whether I can perform an action after removing stress through a green maneuver. I don't have a clue anymore.

You get a free evade action from SPA. Yeah it would work. You'll get to do it maybe once before your Phantom explodes.

You get a free evade action from SPA. Yeah it would work. You'll get to do it maybe once before your Phantom explodes.

You may explode, but that's what happens when a legend flies too close to the sun. :D

When you either de-cloak or perform a cloak action, you may perform a free evade action

PTL is "Once per round, after you perform an action, you may perform 1 free action shown in your action bar.

Then receive 1 stress token."

100% possible

De-cloak --> free evade --> PTL another action --> green maneuver --> action step action (but no double dipping on PTL, once per round it is)

So you get a 3 action phantom, not counting the FCS target-lock. What you do with those 3 actions, I have no clue.

Evade, Focus, Roll, Cloak (pick two more)

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You get a free evade action from SPA. Yeah it would work. You'll get to do it maybe once before your Phantom explodes.

You may explode, but that's what happens when a legend flies too close to the sun. :D

Oh, yes, I know it is akin to dropping your glass cannon off a cliff and watching it shatter, but I was doing some theory crafting involving free actions, advanced sensors, push the limit, etc. It just came up. Not a good idea, but a possible and slightly confusing one.

Why is this killing the phantom? Doesn't it end up cloaked and without a stress? Or a I missing something.

This does work and it does essentially give you decloak + evade + action + maneuver + action

Note that you can't get 2 evade tokens in the same turn from SPA because it's a free evade action and you can't perform the same action twice in a turn even if it's free.

Also note that the Phantom is only shooting every other turn without ACD and it's only got 2 agility on the turns that it does shoot.

Edited by Tvboy

You get a free evade action from SPA. Yeah it would work. You'll get to do it maybe once before your Phantom explodes.

You there! Have you any relation to this particular Jo-Jo? *raises suspicion*

Hmm.

Back on topic, I don't see anything wrong with this sequence of crazy actions. Not the most practical thing, but I suppose it's possible.

Edited by UnfairBanana

This does work and it does essentially give you decloak + evade + action + maneuver + action

Note that you can't get 2 evade tokens in the same turn from SPA because it's a free evade action and you can't perform the same action twice in a turn even if it's free.

Also note that the Phantom is only shooting every other turn without ACD and it's only got 2 agility on the turns that it does shoot.

Of course if you are acting late enough in the round you know if you're safe to shoot otherwise you recloak with one of those actions to try again the next round.

A note: The phantom does have an upgrade slot that would allow an additional action... Crew!

The empire has access to Two crew that are action-driven, at the moment.

  1. Saboteur. I like this, as it allows you to get all of your actions in when you cloak as well, and still have the opportunity to harass while not attacking.
  2. Fleet Officer. Less good as it would stress you again, but it improves the action economy of your entire fleet as well.
  • Recon Specialist is of special note: Getting an Evade Token and 2 Focii in a single turn is hugely potent for glass cannons. I'm sure you can figure out why. It doesn't proc off of Whisper's native ability, where it's a bit overkill, but it's great on Echo!

Another thing I love about this combo: It's using your Modification where you'd typically have Advanced Sensors, leaving your sensor slot wide open. Fire Control? Sensor Jammer? Some other new thing off of the Raider? Go nuts!

Decloak -> free Evade action -> Push for 2 Focii via RecSpec -> move -> Cloak for 4 Agility, 2 Focii, 1 Evade -> trollface

Decloak -> free Evade action -> Push for 2 Focii via RecSpec -> move -> Cloak for 4 Agility, 2 Focii, 1 Evade -> trollface

You cannot perform Focus, Evade, or any other action, multiple times in the same round. Sadly.

Decloak -> free Evade action -> Push for 2 Focii via RecSpec -> move -> Cloak for 4 Agility, 2 Focii, 1 Evade -> trollface

You cannot perform Focus, Evade, or any other action, multiple times in the same round. Sadly.

Decloak -> free Evade action -> Push for 2 Focii via RecSpec -> move -> Cloak for 4 Agility, 2 Focii, 1 Evade -> trollface

Edited by Forgottenlore

Decloak -> free Evade action -> Push for 2 Focii via RecSpec -> move -> Cloak for 4 Agility, 2 Focii, 1 Evade -> trollface

You cannot perform Focus, Evade, or any other action, multiple times in the same round. Sadly.

Just one evade, and 2 focus tokens: one from the focus action, and one from Recon Specialist.

While we are on the subject of phantoms that are fun but not actually useful, what about the 9kturn? Engine upgrade and advanced sensors. Really only useful as a surprise once, but would be awesome to see someone's face when you do it.

My bad: he used the ordering symbols as the summation symbols as well.

Whatever happened to ?

Edited by DraconPyrothayan

You sir have pushed the limit of human endeavor and knowledge. Good job, Doctor. This earns a PhD.

Decloak -> free Evade action -> Push for 2 Focii via RecSpec -> move -> Cloak for 4 Agility, 2 Focii, 1 Evade -> trollface

And you have the hardest to damage ship that cannot attack in the game.

Hence the last step. :P

You get a free evade action from SPA. Yeah it would work. You'll get to do it maybe once before your Phantom explodes.

You there! Have you any relation to this particular Jo-Jo? *raises suspicion*

Hmm.

Back on topic, I don't see anything wrong with this sequence of crazy actions. Not the most practical thing, but I suppose it's possible.

Nope. I don't own 2 Decimators and I've never changed my build mid-tourney. Haha

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