In the round one feature match from the Store Championship tournament held at Enbicon, the top table held a Leebo accompanied by twin Blue Squadron B-Wings facing off against a Fat Han Chewie/Ors list!
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Interesting game, some curious moves (from both players) but the outcome was inevitable once the B's started dropping...
I don't know if i'm ignorant of the rules here but i was really surprised to see the 1 & 2 ranges marked out on the board... is this legal...?
I don't know if i'm ignorant of the rules here but i was really surprised to see the 1 & 2 ranges marked out on the board... is this legal...?
I'm pretty sure it is not. I know i would not really want it on my play surfaces.
I chuckled at "Will the double Falcon outtank the Outrider and B-Wings, or will the maneuverability of the YT-2400 be enough to counteract all the hull and shields opposing it?"
Given that the opposition was two turrets, you could have replaced "maneuverability" with "spiffy good looks" for all the good it was going to do 
Oh well, kudos for making content out of it. We have a similar movement going on in our local scene, and it's been met with a lot of positive feedback 
That play surface.....ugggh.
I would not be ok with him using 3P0 and not rolling dice. You have to roll defense dice.......PERIOD! This is so painful watching him do that!
Also like that lil range check at 37:00ish then deciding to do a focus. Man!
Edited by Bjorn Rockfistwow!!! 2 Falcons, the player had very difficult to have line of fire every turn!!!
wow!!! 2 Falcons, the player had very difficult to have line of fire every turn!!!
That guy has balls. I also can't imagine how he dealt with their glass cannon status or their relative immobility 
And that surface... is it too much for a shop to buy some 15 bucks play fields?
that mat isnt legal at all and it promotes really easy premeassuring with the range 1 and 2 outlined
And that surface... is it too much for a shop to buy some 15 bucks play fields?
Some local shops are really strapped for money. Is it to much to ask the players to make a legal 3x3 or support the shop by purchasing a mat. I know my LGS has gone through great times and tough times and they are always trying to make there store better by investing in it with play areas and boardgames people can try out but a lot of the stuff isnt just from the owners its from those that make the store a community and bring in stuff of there own.
wow!!! 2 Falcons, the player had very difficult to have line of fire every turn!!!
That guy has balls. I also can't imagine how he dealt with their glass cannon status or their relative immobility
On the Facebook group all my X-Wing buddies are a part of, I posted a status that simply said, "Turret Wing" and people got quite defensive. Meanwhile 10 players showed up to a recent store championship and 8 of them had a fat turret list. 3 of the 4 most recent SC's in my area have been won by fat turret lists.
Nothing wrong with the meta, nope.
Edited by ParaGoomba SlayerGreat response guys! I really appreciate all the feedback!
that mat isnt legal at all and it promotes really easy premeassuring with the range 1 and 2 outlined
And that surface... is it too much for a shop to buy some 15 bucks play fields?
Some local shops are really strapped for money. Is it to much to ask the players to make a legal 3x3 or support the shop by purchasing a mat. I know my LGS has gone through great times and tough times and they are always trying to make there store better by investing in it with play areas and boardgames people can try out but a lot of the stuff isnt just from the owners its from those that make the store a community and bring in stuff of there own.
Thanks for the feedback! The Tournament Organizer was the one who brought the mat, he was very stoked about it, and nobody said anyhting at the time the tournament began. No. It is not a legal play surface, but as this was not an event hosted at a store (but rather at a gaming convention) we did not have the capacity to just 'pick up' some play mats to play on. The TO is final arbiter in all things tournament, so we went with his decision on the matter.
wow!!! 2 Falcons, the player had very difficult to have line of fire every turn!!!
That guy has balls. I also can't imagine how he dealt with their glass cannon status or their relative immobility
On the Facebook group all my X-Wing buddies are a part of, I posted a status that simply said, "Turret Wing" and people got quite defensive. Meanwhile 10 players showed up to a recent store championship and 8 of them had a fat turret list. 3 of the 4 most recent SC's in my area have been won by fat turret lists.
Nothing wrong with the meta, nope.
Three words: Wait for it.
I would not be ok with him using 3P0 and not rolling dice. You have to roll defense dice.......PERIOD! This is so painful watching him do that!
Also like that lil range check at 37:00ish then deciding to do a focus. Man!
It is incumbent on the opponent to require that his opponent roll their dice. The opponent accepted Rob's shortcut; he could have called the TO over at any time to have him require the dice to be rolled.
As to the range check, I can't speak to that; I'm just the camera guy. I was on the bottom tables all day after forgetting my focus from Whisper which cost me my last three hull points on a four die triple focus evade roll.
Interesting game, some curious moves (from both players) but the outcome was inevitable once the B's started dropping...
I don't know if i'm ignorant of the rules here but i was really surprised to see the 1 & 2 ranges marked out on the board... is this legal...?
Technically no. It enables some really sketchy shenangians involving premeasuring. However, I can speak plainly about this that nobody was actually smart enough to use the lines in this fashion. It certainly would have made the Leebo list better if he had known ahead of time how far he had to stay from the falcons each turn!
Also: The TO determined the use of the mat (which he provided/instructed us to use for the top table). This was not my decision, I'm just the guy who runs the website.
That sheds some light esternefil it was overall a good match to watch and thanks for posting thanks for pleasing the crowd with a response on our nitpicking
LOL....what shortcut with 3P0. He can clearly be heard just saying 1 from 3P0 and 1 for the evade. What did he do tell the guy, "I'm gonna guess 10 each time which is impossible so I'll always get 1." Bad sportmanship on his part not rolling and actually guessing for 3P0 and lesson learned for his opponent if he reads this.
LOL....what shortcut with 3P0. He can clearly be heard just saying 1 from 3P0 and 1 for the evade. What did he do tell the guy, "I'm gonna guess 10 each time which is impossible so I'll always get 1." Bad sportmanship on his part not rolling and actually guessing for 3P0 and lesson learned for his opponent if he reads this.
He was always guessing zero, that's how the shortcut began. HE informed his opponent: "I will always guess zero with C3p0, which means that I will always get one evade from my die."
The opponent agreed to this shortcut, which leads to the rest of the shortcut falling in line and him just not rolling the green dice.
I agree this is poor sportsmanship in many ways, but it also helped to ensure that the game didn't drag on (as rounds were being relatively strictly timed).
LOL....what shortcut with 3P0. He can clearly be heard just saying 1 from 3P0 and 1 for the evade. What did he do tell the guy, "I'm gonna guess 10 each time which is impossible so I'll always get 1." Bad sportmanship on his part not rolling and actually guessing for 3P0 and lesson learned for his opponent if he reads this.
He was always guessing zero, that's how the shortcut began. HE informed his opponent: "I will always guess zero with C3p0, which means that I will always get one evade from my die."
The opponent agreed to this shortcut, which leads to the rest of the shortcut falling in line and him just not rolling the green dice.
I agree this is poor sportsmanship in many ways, but it also helped to ensure that the game didn't drag on (as rounds were being relatively strictly timed).
Glad that they agreed to take a section in the rulebook and pitch it for time restraints. In a casual game sure....not at an event.
LOL....what shortcut with 3P0. He can clearly be heard just saying 1 from 3P0 and 1 for the evade. What did he do tell the guy, "I'm gonna guess 10 each time which is impossible so I'll always get 1." Bad sportmanship on his part not rolling and actually guessing for 3P0 and lesson learned for his opponent if he reads this.
He was always guessing zero, that's how the shortcut began. HE informed his opponent: "I will always guess zero with C3p0, which means that I will always get one evade from my die."
The opponent agreed to this shortcut, which leads to the rest of the shortcut falling in line and him just not rolling the green dice.
I agree this is poor sportsmanship in many ways, but it also helped to ensure that the game didn't drag on (as rounds were being relatively strictly timed).
What would've happened it he needed to guess when Han was at range 3 (against anything but the HLC)? Or behind an asteroid? Would he have gone back on the deal? Or what if Han was at 1 facing 3 hits and had to guess 1 to live? Make your opponent make decisions, so they can make mistakes.
LOL....what shortcut with 3P0. He can clearly be heard just saying 1 from 3P0 and 1 for the evade. What did he do tell the guy, "I'm gonna guess 10 each time which is impossible so I'll always get 1." Bad sportmanship on his part not rolling and actually guessing for 3P0 and lesson learned for his opponent if he reads this.
He was always guessing zero, that's how the shortcut began. HE informed his opponent: "I will always guess zero with C3p0, which means that I will always get one evade from my die."
The opponent agreed to this shortcut, which leads to the rest of the shortcut falling in line and him just not rolling the green dice.
I agree this is poor sportsmanship in many ways, but it also helped to ensure that the game didn't drag on (as rounds were being relatively strictly timed).
What would've happened it he needed to guess when Han was at range 3 (against anything but the HLC)? Or behind an asteroid? Would he have gone back on the deal? Or what if Han was at 1 facing 3 hits and had to guess 1 to live? Make your opponent make decisions, so they can make mistakes.
This is to be sure a straw man, as this situation did not and could not come up during the course of the game. The shortcut only ever occured after The B-Wings were both already down and Leebo could only attack with the HLC, as per the Outrider Title.
You are arguing a case that doesn't exist. There were no shots from behind asteroids. but in theory in those cases Rob would have had to perform the complete evasive die roll step.
That said, I know Rob, and he is a stickler for the most efficient way to perform tasks. He is a Magic player to the core, and so he lives under the assumption that if a shortcut is acceptable to the participants, then it is legal.
If the shortcut stops being applicable, then he would have had no choice but to start rolling.
This is to be sure a straw man, as this situation did not and could not come up during the course of the game.
It's a hypothetical. And yes, they could have occurred (as you said a sentence later, he could've been behind an asteroid). Just because it didn't happen, doesn't mean the short-cut somehow solved everything. Anyway, my point was, it's a tournament, a competitive environment, and as often as we hear tales of fatigue setting in and causing players to make stupid decisions, it would make sense not to agree to those terms on the off chance my opponent thinks it's a good idea to guess 1 one time and end up with 0 evades, netting me "free" damage.
I would like to hear any one of you explain why it matters that he does or does not roll the dice?
Each time damage rolls are rolled Rob is making a reaction to the result. He states 1 from the C3P0, 1 from the evade and take one to the shields. This means that he has guessed 0 on his C3P0 Guess.
If he rolled the dice and got an evade, he was wrong and still gets 1 evade from the roll. If he rolled anything other than an evade then he is correct with C3P0 and gets an evade. Therefore no matter what happens with his 1 evade dice he gets 1 evade.
Therefore it could not POSSIBLY matter what he rolls on that 1 evade dice and to save both his time and his opponants time, he doesn't roll the dice.
But even though there is a shortcut specifically with the rolling of that 1 dice, he makes mention of what he is doing each time (you can't hear this due to the overdub) and his opponant also understands what he is doing.
So PLEASE, explain to me how this is considered poor sportsmanship? To value the time of your opponant enough to not waste it on a completely unnecessary roll of the dice? Such a tragedy.
Think before you post something like the rest of you have, because you are making literally no sense.
YES the rules state you must roll all required dice, but in this one small outside situation, (which is VERY popular in our metagame) the dice roll isn't required so we ignore it. If Rob needed to guess anything other than 0 he would do so and roll the dice seeing as the shortcut is on the dice roll, not the guess.
Your rant really makes me want to play with your group...
The audio, or lack thereof, definitely influences the perception. The way he casually tosses a range ruler onto the board in the general direction of the ships and bumps them, though, is pretty rude.
Also, opponent.
I would like to hear any one of you explain why it matters that he does or does not roll the dice?
Each time damage rolls are rolled Rob is making a reaction to the result. He states 1 from the C3P0, 1 from the evade and take one to the shields. This means that he has guessed 0 on his C3P0 Guess.
If he rolled the dice and got an evade, he was wrong and still gets 1 evade from the roll. If he rolled anything other than an evade then he is correct with C3P0 and gets an evade. Therefore no matter what happens with his 1 evade dice he gets 1 evade.
Therefore it could not POSSIBLY matter what he rolls on that 1 evade dice and to save both his time and his opponants time, he doesn't roll the dice.
But even though there is a shortcut specifically with the rolling of that 1 dice, he makes mention of what he is doing each time (you can't hear this due to the overdub) and his opponant also understands what he is doing.
So PLEASE, explain to me how this is considered poor sportsmanship? To value the time of your opponant enough to not waste it on a completely unnecessary roll of the dice? Such a tragedy.
Think before you post something like the rest of you have, because you are making literally no sense.
YES the rules state you must roll all required dice, but in this one small outside situation, (which is VERY popular in our metagame) the dice roll isn't required so we ignore it. If Rob needed to guess anything other than 0 he would do so and roll the dice seeing as the shortcut is on the dice roll, not the guess.
While I find this post very ranty - I do agree with the overall sentiment of it.
For the scenarios where C3P0 would give 1 evade no matter the roll, I am fine just saying that is what he is doing and shaving a few seconds off the game. Obviously the Rob player would be responsible for making sure this was not happening more than once per turn and he was not doing this when he should be rolling multiple evade dice, but I didn't see any mistakes in this game.
Hey everyone,
Jon here from Wookies on X-wing,
Thanks for all the feedback, its nice to see that the video was enjoyed, even with some gripes about the players play style.
The audio, or lack thereof, definitely influences the perception. The way he casually tosses a range ruler onto the board in the general direction of the ships and bumps them, though, is pretty rude.
The drop in audio was done because of a bunch of reasons, compared to our store games, this was played at a Con, where there was everything from vendors, other games, and even a Clown horn honk from a cos-player every 2 minutes, both players are also relatively soft spoken compared to say...my energetic self. I too had my reservations about the map, but the TO really wanted to show it off, as it was his pride and joy.
As for the dice rolling issue, Rob was playing an extremely tanky list, and because his falcons are so expensive playing for time will usually benefit him rather than his opponent, I believe he took every shortcut he could so that he wouldn't be accused of slow playing. I will mention this to him, he is a very laid back guy, and the Wookies like to make sure that our videos are fun, entertaining, and Emperor forbid, educational.