What does the ig-2000 title card mean ?

By Redjones69, in X-Wing Rules Questions

It's confusing

It means that if you have two Aggressors on the table (let's say IG-88A and IG-88D) and the IG-2000 title equipped to both ships then both pilots (A & D) can use either pilots pilot ability from their card.

So in the case of A & D, either ship could regenerate a shield when they destroy an enemy and either ship can do a Segnor Loop using the 3 Turn template.

Jim

Edited by Emrico

Or to put it another way, each ship ends up with both special abilities.

They become slivers

The part that is still up in the air is whether they retain those abilities when the other ship is destroyed. IE, if destroying the B eliminates the ability for A/C/D to fire a cannon if the first attack misses. Right now, it's generally assumed that this is the case, but an FAQ for that card will be needed.

i don't think there is any question about loosing the ability if the other ship was destroyed (except for the one guy who insisted a ship didn't have to be in play for an ability to function).

The real question was what effect the one crit that causes you to ignore your pilot ability does. Does the ship with the crit loose both pilot abilities, or just their own, and does the other pilot loose the ability of the ship with the crit or does it still keep it?

I see it as a means to give the ship an ability they wanted them all to have but which really does not work well. I guess they could have added "all allied Aggressors gain this ability" to each pilot but that may have taken too much space; it also leads to that issue Forgottenlore brings up.

To me it reads like an ongoing effect that's constantly checking to see what abilities you're passing around, so when one gets knocked out, it suddenly shuts off for everybody. Additionally, since "you have" the other ships' abilities and the crit makes everyone ignore "your pilot ability", the crit'd ship can't borrow from anyone else, either. My 2 cents, anyway.

To me it reads like an ongoing effect that's constantly checking to see what abilities you're passing around, so when one gets knocked out, it suddenly shuts off for everybody. Additionally, since "you have" the other ships' abilities and the crit makes everyone ignore "your pilot ability", the crit'd ship can't borrow from anyone else, either. My 2 cents, anyway.

That's the way I read it too. It says "All players..." so if you get that crit, everyone loses it.

The card says you can not use your ability. Not that you lose it. You refers to the ship.

injured-pilot.png
EDIT: Image added

So the ship with Injured Pilot can not use his ability or any ability he gained from IG-2000. But the other IG-2000 ships still have all abilities as no ship lost any ability. And can use them because they do not have Injured Pilot.

Edited by StephenEsven

Nevermind misremembered a card.

Edited by Forgottenlore

The card says you can not use your ability. Not that you lose it. You refers to the ship.

injured-pilot.png

EDIT: Image added

So the ship with Injured Pilot can not use his ability or any ability he gained from IG-2000. But the other IG-2000 ships still have all abilities as no ship lost any ability. And can use them because they do not have Injured Pilot.

Has this card been changed? I don't have my pysical copy at hand right now as I'm at work. But a quick google search gives me pictures where the text is "All players must ignore your pilot abillity...".

The card says you can not use your ability. Not that you lose it. You refers to the ship.

injured-pilot.png

EDIT: Image added

So the ship with Injured Pilot can not use his ability or any ability he gained from IG-2000. But the other IG-2000 ships still have all abilities as no ship lost any ability. And can use them because they do not have Injured Pilot.

Now there's a funny thing, because my card is different.

Injured Pilot

Pilot

All players must ignore your pilot ability and all of your [EPT] Upgrade cards.

I got my core set in late 2013, and it's the only one I've got. I'm assuming mine might be a later print than the one above? The one on the X-wing wikia matches the one above.

Considering "you" and "your" are suposed to refere to the ship, the line "equipmed on your ship" makes me think that wording is an old pre production picture?

I just grabbet this off a Google Image search. It was the only one I found, and it is from the FFG site from a wave 3 article according to the URL. I also did not have my physical copy at hand. I find it very interesting if they changed the text in later prints. That could cause all kind of controversy at tournaments, when one guy turns up with a newer set than the other and both suffers Injured Pilot.

would be interesting to hear from people that can actually verify they have a different text on a physical copy of the card

EDIT: I guess Parravon already confirmed it. Wave 3 was from September 2013 as far as I can determine. Card was probably in one of the previews, so it might have changed around that time.

Edited by StephenEsven

Finally home. I checked one of my damage decks. Same as Parravons. Does not match the one I posted earlier. My set is from mid 2013.

My card allso says "must ignore" and I bought my core set at release. So the other wording has probobly never been in printing.

That's what I thought too. Nevermind my nevermind.

Now I don't know what the argument is anymore.

Getting back to the title, I think the fact that the wording is "have" rather than "gain" is significant. "Gain" would make it sound like it's a permanent addition to your ship. But "have" sounds temporary.

Now that we have established that cards in print most likely says that all players must ignore the ships ability, I will revise my answer and say that all IG-2000 ships lose the ability, because we as a player must ignore the ability. And we must also ignore the pilot abilities the ship gains from the IG-2000 title.

I agree with Steve and forgottenlore

I agree with Steve and forgottenlore

Cool, thanks.

What did I say?

edit: Oh, this thread, OK. :P

Edited by Forgottenlore

Before the FAQ comes out maybe put determination on both IG's to protect your pilot abilities...

Now that we have established that cards in print most likely says that all players must ignore the ships ability, I will revise my answer and say that all IG-2000 ships lose the ability, because we as a player must ignore the ability. And we must also ignore the pilot abilities the ship gains from the IG-2000 title.

Edit: nvm, the title specially says you have the pilot ability. So Injured Pilot would apply.

Edited by PhantomFO