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Quick question.

I would say yes (Skarn is standing on both tiles so the special rules trigger on that), but then your question made me instantly wonder about reinforcements. E.g. if you place reinforcements for a monster that takes more than one space, can you place it between tiles as long as it occupies one space in the spawn tile. That would be something new for me.

What I´m thinking is that maybe the answer to this question is the same to yours.

Will dig for it on the web to see if I can find anything.

Thank you, Indalecio.

I just sent FFG the question.

Shall keep searching as well.

I'm in the process of choosing my 3 open groups, and it is important to know how I can position Skarn to choose the size of at least one of the groups.

Thanks again.

As complicated as it sounds, I believe that he counts as only on the tile in which he actually ended his movement, but not the tile which he expanded into.

It's quite possible that FFG will answer differently, but the rules repeatedly show that expanding into a space does not count as entering that space.

That's a fair point, Whitewing.

The thing is, if everything goes well, I want Skarn to be in a corner with his LOS blocked by two Golems. The problem with that is that if Skarn has to be completely in the Basement, then the Golems will not be able to block LOS towards Skarn entirely, leaving one space open for Hero attacks against it.

I can use Shadow Dragons to avoid this problem, since they can completely block LOS against a cornered Skarn, but then, if I win, I will feel like it was just because of the Shadow Dragons. So I want to avoid them if possible.

Being able to place half of Skarn on the basement makes it viable to block LOS with the Golems.

I'm telling my whole stategy because I'm sure my partner will not read this.

And if she does...

I would say yes (Skarn is standing on both tiles so the special rules trigger on that), but then your question made me instantly wonder about reinforcements. E.g. if you place reinforcements for a monster that takes more than one space, can you place it between tiles as long as it occupies one space in the spawn tile. That would be something new for me.

What I´m thinking is that maybe the answer to this question is the same to yours.

Will dig for it on the web to see if I can find anything.

As you place reinforcements in the nearest available space then you are always going to be somewhat limited in that approach.

I would say yes (Skarn is standing on both tiles so the special rules trigger on that), but then your question made me instantly wonder about reinforcements. E.g. if you place reinforcements for a monster that takes more than one space, can you place it between tiles as long as it occupies one space in the spawn tile. That would be something new for me.

What I´m thinking is that maybe the answer to this question is the same to yours.

Will dig for it on the web to see if I can find anything.

As you place reinforcements in the nearest available space then you are always going to be somewhat limited in that approach.

I was thinking about reinforcement on a named tile, not the entrance/exit.

This question is also relevant regarding certain quest. In the second scene of heart of the Wild the overlord is forced to sacrifice monster on a certain named tile. Large monster, after expanding, can be on two completely different tiles. I would argue that they are on both tiles, because how can they be on one tile but not the other? They wouldn't be on the map at all.

I would say yes (Skarn is standing on both tiles so the special rules trigger on that), but then your question made me instantly wonder about reinforcements. E.g. if you place reinforcements for a monster that takes more than one space, can you place it between tiles as long as it occupies one space in the spawn tile. That would be something new for me.

What I´m thinking is that maybe the answer to this question is the same to yours.

Will dig for it on the web to see if I can find anything.

As you place reinforcements in the nearest available space then you are always going to be somewhat limited in that approach.

I was thinking about reinforcement on a named tile, not the entrance/exit.

Same thing applies though, the nearest available space to the spawn tile is where you would reinforce the monster. If there was a bonus for spawning on the specific tile as long as the single space that you expand from is on the specified tile you would earn it, as far as i can tell.

Yeah but that's in the case you cannot put the figure on the tile because there is no space available, e.g. you then put it in the "nearest available space" close to that tile. What I´m wondering is if you are allowed to place the monster across tiles as long as it shares one space with the spawn tile even if there is space available on this tile to put the whole miniature on it.

I find "nearest available space" to make very little sense in the case of an empty tile. How do you measure distance to a collection of spaces? As opposed to measuring from the exit spaces of a tile, which is much more localized.

Skarn is on the Basement. If a rule requires him to enter the basement, Whitewing is correct that expanding doesn't cut it.

However, "being" in a space does not require "entering" that space, and once Skarn expands, he occupies all 4 of his spaces equally. The space he ended his movement in is not special.

Alternately, you could ask it this way- how far is Skarn from a basement space? If his figure is 0 spaces away from the basement, he is indeed on a basement space.

Reinforcements must be placed COMPLETELY on the tiles named, if possible- that is the difference.

Is there any official statement regarding these points?

Doesn't expanding into one or several spaces count as entering those spaces?

I will dispute the "entering tile" subject. If the figure is physically on two tiles then I would count this as "being" on two tiles after expansion. Likewise, if a monster expands and ends up adjacent to an objective token, he can surely interact with that object thanks to adjacency. Adjacency means you "are" next to the space, whether you entered it or not. Similarly, an attack or effect targeting a whole tile should absolutely affect monsters with one or more spaces on the tile. If it affects the monster then the monster must "be" on that tile.

About reinforcements, I thought that was the correct answer too but failed to find the official answer to it.

Expanding definitely does not count as entering. You can find that in the rulebook section about large monster movement- a large monster is only considered to have entered the single space in which it ended its movement (obviously while moving, it enters each single space along the way.) This absolutely allows large monsters to cheat with special terrain- expanding into water, lava, and pits without penalty.

Additionally, in the sections about each special terrain, it states that a large monster is only defeated from lava it it ends its turn and ALL spaces it occupies are lava spaces. It also is only affected by pits if ALL spaces it occupies are pit spaces (interesting, because that seems to imply to me that if these special statements weren't there, you would defeat a large monster if it ended its turn and any space it occupied were a lava space.)

Just the same though, when you expand, you are now "in" all spaces equally- that's why it's so important that FFG added the statement about declaring large monster actions before you expand them. That way, in order to interrupt movement to attack a hero, a shadow dragon first has to enter a space adjacent to that hero (if the dragon just ends his movement, that is no longer necessary, because as soon as he expands, he is adjacent to the hero, even though he didn't necessarily enter that space.)

As another example of expanding "not counting as movement", you can expand a large monster to bypass elevation. "When ending or interrupting movement for large monsters, the figure maybe placed on psaces containing elevation lines, as long as those spaces are empty."

Once you've expanded, you count as occupying those spaces, but you don't count as "moving" into those spaces. My gut feeling is that Skarn should count as being on the tile, as long as he is on at least one square of that tile.

Hey, guys.

This is the official answer from FFG.

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