Why stop there, if nobody had feelings to get hurt at all there'd be no suffering ever!

Or any creativity, great works of art would never be inspired fine wines never fermented, gastronomic wonders never created, we wouldn't make love we just go eight seconds like a lion and call it job done.

We wouldn't live we'd just exist.

Rarity always ups cost for things in the world. Also, the thing a lot of people are missing when they say the official dice are not worth $130 is that $130 is not always worth $130. To someone making $8 an hour, $130 is worth a lot. To someone making six figures a year, $130 is poket change. Money isn't worth anything. The numbers are totally arbitrary. That change that fell out of your pocket and you didn't even bother to pick up? To someone, that could have bought their only meal of the day. So saying the dice are not worth it is idiotic. It's not worth it to you. To them it is. Everyone is in a different place.

... So saying the dice are not worth it is idiotic. It's not worth it to you. To them it is...

It is not idiotic to them. To you it is. They're stating their opinion just as you have, from their own point of view.

That's mmpoint though - none of us know why the buyers think they're worth that. Somebody made the assumption that's it's about showing off, and I find that presumptuous. But whatever the reason is, I honestly don't understand how, if it produces enough pleasure in them to warrant the cost, that's foolish. Weird, certainly, to me, but if it produces happiness then it's totally worth the money. If I get $150 worth of pleasure from paper mâché horses then there's nothing foolish about me spending that money one them. I can see how you'd question my taste, but not my financial acumen. Nothing anyone said in this thread so far explains that.

This whole 'more money than sense' concept had never made sense to me, it's one my mum uses and I've argued with her about it. Money's value is relative, depending how much you have, and an object's value depends how much pleasure it brings you personally, so how can we judge the sums of somebody with their own unique situation in both regards?

Also, people who don't like the ARC-170 are simply objectively wrong about everything. Fact.

... So saying the dice are not worth it is idiotic. It's not worth it to you. To them it is...

It is not idiotic to them. To you it is. They're stating their opinion just as you have, from their own point of view.

... So saying the dice are not worth it is idiotic. It's not worth it to you. To them it is...

It is not idiotic to them. To you it is. They're stating their opinion just as you have, from their own point of view.

Oh you and your points of view!!! XD

... So saying the dice are not worth it is idiotic. It's not worth it to you. To them it is...

It is not idiotic to them. To you it is. They're stating their opinion just as you have, from their own point of view.

Oh you and your points of view!!! XD

remember that old show on the bbc back before we learnt anne robinson was a two faced witch that knew children were being abused and did nothing about it?

a more innocent time.

That's mmpoint though - none of us know why the buyers think they're worth that. Somebody made the assumption that's it's about showing off, and I find that presumptuous. But whatever the reason is, I honestly don't understand how, if it produces enough pleasure in them to warrant the cost, that's foolish. Weird, certainly, to me, but if it produces happiness then it's totally worth the money. If I get $150 worth of pleasure from paper mâché horses then there's nothing foolish about me spending that money one them. I can see how you'd question my taste, but not my financial acumen. Nothing anyone said in this thread so far explains that.

This whole 'more money than sense' concept had never made sense to me, it's one my mum uses and I've argued with her about it. Money's value is relative, depending how much you have, and an object's value depends how much pleasure it brings you personally, so how can we judge the sums of somebody with their own unique situation in both regards?

Also, people who don't like the ARC-170 are simply objectively wrong about everything. Fact.

Cheers Mazz0...

I understand your comment about the $150 of pleasure but that is a very nebulous concept. You may very well get $150 of pleasure out of paper meche...but I would wager not many others do...and they are going to feel you are foolish and probably wasted your money. If you want them to not feel that way any more it is up to you to convince them and objectively show the value recieved. Just as it is on them to explain why they think it is foolish, provided they want you see your purchase as foolish. And I think it is far easier to show my side than yours and Ill get to that.

I am not trying to get any defender to see the purchase as foolish. I already know that isnt going to happen...it rarely does in internet arguments. Now I am just defending the merits of my own argument and reaching for a general understanding.

Ill explain my "financial acumen" comment. Please dont take this as hostile or rude because it is not...but if the phrase "more money than sense" never made sense to you then my explanation of my financial acumen comment may not either.

I am not going to have much faith in how someone spends their money if they are spending $130 bucks on 12 dice. It makes 0 sense to me...Even if I had billions of dollars or hell even unlimited resources it still wouldnt make sense to me...I just cant see how someone can get $130 of enjoyment out of dice that can only be used for 1 game when they could have spent the money on almost anything else...more ships, a new game to play (which probably includes more dice!! =P), a date with a hot chick, a new bowling ball, better speakers for your car, I could name 1000 other things. It just doesnt compute in my head...and I cannot trust the money sense of someone in whose head it does. Anything else, sure probably...but I am not going to them for financial advice.

I have an old friend from college...with more money than anyone else I have ever met. She used to live next door to Travis Barker (the drummer from Blink 182.) She now runs the most successful Thai restaurant in Amarillo TX and remains substantially loaded. Not even she would think that spending $130 on dice is sound investment. She and I understand the value of a dollar...I, personally, dont think someone who spends $130 on dice does understand. And that makes me question their financial acumen. Looking on it Ill make and exception to trybert for this statement...those dice are pretty cool and certainly unique. Hes putting in the work and resources to make it happen. He may very well get his moneys worth when others see his dice. But he is a corner case and there are exceptions to every rule.

I hope the explanation made sense. You and I arent going to agree on this issue. Seems you feel a more flexible definition of the bolded part is in order...I am more rigid in my inerpertation. But reading your explanation I think I understand your opinion on it and I respect it...always have. Hopefully this exchange gave you some insight on the way those of us on the other side see things. Feel free to hit me up if you want to discuss further...Im always willing to listen to you! =)

Yeah, I think you're right about our fundamentally different definitions. I kinda want a paper mâché horse now, just to see what all the fuss is about.

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